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		<title>By: ronbo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-174318</link>
		<dc:creator>ronbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fincham: what a supercillious fucking putz (am I allowed to say "putz"?).</description>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Not users, not generated, not content</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Not users, not generated, not content</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I loved this comment from Michael Rosenblum on my response to BBC ONE Controller Peter Fincham&#8217;s speech before the Royal Television society, below, reacting to this line of Fincham&#8217;s: &#8220;User generated content is great butâ€¦..â€ Says Michael: I think it only fair to point out to our friend at the RTS that Harry Potter was â€˜user generated contentâ€™, that JK Rowling was not a â€˜professionalâ€™. In the world of print, which produces some pretty good stuff, EVERYTHING is â€˜user generatedâ€™. Soon, the same will be true in TV. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I loved this comment from Michael Rosenblum on my response to BBC ONE Controller Peter Fincham&#8217;s speech before the Royal Television society, below, reacting to this line of Fincham&#8217;s: &#8220;User generated content is great butâ€¦..â€ Says Michael: I think it only fair to point out to our friend at the RTS that Harry Potter was â€˜user generated contentâ€™, that JK Rowling was not a â€˜professionalâ€™. In the world of print, which produces some pretty good stuff, EVERYTHING is â€˜user generatedâ€™. Soon, the same will be true in TV. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rosenblum</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-173026</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosenblum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>``````'`'User generated content is great but....."
I think it only fair to point out to our friend at the RTS that Harry Potter was 'user generated content', that JK Rowling was not a 'professional'. In the world of print, which produces some pretty good stuff, EVERYTHING is 'user generated'. Soon, the same will be true in TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8217;`'User generated content is great but&#8230;..&#8221;<br />
I think it only fair to point out to our friend at the RTS that Harry Potter was &#8216;user generated content&#8217;, that JK Rowling was not a &#8216;professional&#8217;. In the world of print, which produces some pretty good stuff, EVERYTHING is &#8216;user generated&#8217;. Soon, the same will be true in TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrizia Broghammer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-172075</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrizia Broghammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"YouTubeâ€™s great. Googleâ€™s great. Itâ€™s all great. But if the conclusion you draw â€“ and some people love drawing it - is that television is over, I think you might just be wrong."

YouTube is not great, TV is not dead, but it is dying.
It will be over soon, and you can see its slow agony.
When most young people prefer to spend their time in front of a computer screen and do not care a bit anymore for what They are broadcasting on TV, when the only people who really watch regularly TV are the old people who have nothing better to do and nothing else they know how to do, when even the commercials beging to be less effective on TV, then you realize that something IS changing.
TV, the old style TV will disappear as well as the old style television set.
In its place there will be a monitor, big, small whatever, connected to a computer in front of which people will consume their meals.
With one hand, while with the other they will click with the mouse or in the future who knows, they will use both hands and communicate with the voice.
But hands or voice or whatever, THEY want to be a part of the entertainment.
They do not want to consume, they like to produce.
Because creating is million times better than watching.
In a conversation the amusing is being able to talk, not only listening
Yes TV, as sad as it can look to people of my generation, is definetely changing.
It began as Home entertainment, and to stay as it began it needs to follow the patterns of the new entertainment.
It has to become the Place where you watch and you show.
Just like the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;YouTubeâ€™s great. Googleâ€™s great. Itâ€™s all great. But if the conclusion you draw â€“ and some people love drawing it - is that television is over, I think you might just be wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>YouTube is not great, TV is not dead, but it is dying.<br />
It will be over soon, and you can see its slow agony.<br />
When most young people prefer to spend their time in front of a computer screen and do not care a bit anymore for what They are broadcasting on TV, when the only people who really watch regularly TV are the old people who have nothing better to do and nothing else they know how to do, when even the commercials beging to be less effective on TV, then you realize that something IS changing.<br />
TV, the old style TV will disappear as well as the old style television set.<br />
In its place there will be a monitor, big, small whatever, connected to a computer in front of which people will consume their meals.<br />
With one hand, while with the other they will click with the mouse or in the future who knows, they will use both hands and communicate with the voice.<br />
But hands or voice or whatever, THEY want to be a part of the entertainment.<br />
They do not want to consume, they like to produce.<br />
Because creating is million times better than watching.<br />
In a conversation the amusing is being able to talk, not only listening<br />
Yes TV, as sad as it can look to people of my generation, is definetely changing.<br />
It began as Home entertainment, and to stay as it began it needs to follow the patterns of the new entertainment.<br />
It has to become the Place where you watch and you show.<br />
Just like the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolai Porsbo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-172016</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolai Porsbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading your post makes me think of another example that might make sense in this context: Movies. In a way you could say that the tv channels of tomorrow are the movie theaters of today.

Historically, movies were tied to theaters much the same way that TV sees itself linked to flow channels. I'm sure, that when tv came along there were those that argued that movies outside theaters would not be movies. And probably they said that theaters were important, because nobody would want to sit in solitude and watch movies.

They probably also said, that "theaters would never die" and therefore "movies would remain the same". Well, they were of course right and wrong.

Theaters still exist (as will flow channels), but their role has fundamentally changed, insofar as theaters now primarily act as platforms for launching movies, not for all consumption of movies. Nowadays, a movie is watched so much more via dvd, tv and internet that it's the movie itself that is an important medium; not the theater. In the same understanding, the flow channel could easily evolve into the big launch platform for "tv-videos" or whatever we choose to dub this new, liberated tv-format.

The fact that movies have gone through this change over time, may also explain why it's been so relatively easy for movie studios to embrace new forms of distribution, whereas "tv studios" in many countries have been so closely connected to their "theaters", that they see all new distribution forms as something that they must somehow combat rather than embrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading your post makes me think of another example that might make sense in this context: Movies. In a way you could say that the tv channels of tomorrow are the movie theaters of today.</p>
<p>Historically, movies were tied to theaters much the same way that TV sees itself linked to flow channels. I&#8217;m sure, that when tv came along there were those that argued that movies outside theaters would not be movies. And probably they said that theaters were important, because nobody would want to sit in solitude and watch movies.</p>
<p>They probably also said, that &#8220;theaters would never die&#8221; and therefore &#8220;movies would remain the same&#8221;. Well, they were of course right and wrong.</p>
<p>Theaters still exist (as will flow channels), but their role has fundamentally changed, insofar as theaters now primarily act as platforms for launching movies, not for all consumption of movies. Nowadays, a movie is watched so much more via dvd, tv and internet that it&#8217;s the movie itself that is an important medium; not the theater. In the same understanding, the flow channel could easily evolve into the big launch platform for &#8220;tv-videos&#8221; or whatever we choose to dub this new, liberated tv-format.</p>
<p>The fact that movies have gone through this change over time, may also explain why it&#8217;s been so relatively easy for movie studios to embrace new forms of distribution, whereas &#8220;tv studios&#8221; in many countries have been so closely connected to their &#8220;theaters&#8221;, that they see all new distribution forms as something that they must somehow combat rather than embrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Karna</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-171958</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Karna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Idol is Pollock. Clearly.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-171952</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian: It's not armchair critics. It is the audience, the public, the people who decide what to watch. They/we certainly decide what is and is not proper TV. And now that we can make TV -- no passive armchair people, us -- we can define tV by making it. 

And I'd hardly call American Idol Matisse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian: It&#8217;s not armchair critics. It is the audience, the public, the people who decide what to watch. They/we certainly decide what is and is not proper TV. And now that we can make TV &#8212; no passive armchair people, us &#8212; we can define tV by making it. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;d hardly call American Idol Matisse.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Betteridge</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-171889</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Betteridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"â€œProperâ€ programs? â€œRealâ€ television? Whoâ€™s to say what proper television is? With all respect, itâ€™s not you, not anymore. Just because you run a channel does not mean that you run television anymore. We do. Thatâ€™s just the point."

With all due respect Jeff, are you seriously suggesting that armchair critics like yourself define a media in the same way and with the same weight as people who actually make television programmes? That's rather like saying that the people who wander around galleries and go home to make a simple watercolour define what art is as powerfully as (say) Matisse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€œProperâ€ programs? â€œRealâ€ television? Whoâ€™s to say what proper television is? With all respect, itâ€™s not you, not anymore. Just because you run a channel does not mean that you run television anymore. We do. Thatâ€™s just the point.&#8221;</p>
<p>With all due respect Jeff, are you seriously suggesting that armchair critics like yourself define a media in the same way and with the same weight as people who actually make television programmes? That&#8217;s rather like saying that the people who wander around galleries and go home to make a simple watercolour define what art is as powerfully as (say) Matisse.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Karna</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-171742</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Karna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's parallels to be drawn with the Sunday newspaper comments.  While things are moving increasingly to media on demand, the consumer takes what they want when they want; and undoubtedly as a generation grows up with the technology they're in a better position to embrace.  But there is a danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  

There's still a certain charm and allure about sitting down to watch something live, as it happens.  In the same way as there is buying a Sunday paper and leafing through, battling the crowds at Selfridges or wandering round a record store.  It's easier to buy from Amazon, certainly, but far less satisfying than browsing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s parallels to be drawn with the Sunday newspaper comments.  While things are moving increasingly to media on demand, the consumer takes what they want when they want; and undoubtedly as a generation grows up with the technology they&#8217;re in a better position to embrace.  But there is a danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s still a certain charm and allure about sitting down to watch something live, as it happens.  In the same way as there is buying a Sunday paper and leafing through, battling the crowds at Selfridges or wandering round a record store.  It&#8217;s easier to buy from Amazon, certainly, but far less satisfying than browsing</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-171710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franz,
Touche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franz,<br />
Touche.</p>
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		<title>By: Franz</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-171695</link>
		<dc:creator>Franz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good conversation. but, why is he not supposed to say "the people" while you feel free to claim "we, the people", who are you, ey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good conversation. but, why is he not supposed to say &#8220;the people&#8221; while you feel free to claim &#8220;we, the people&#8221;, who are you, ey?</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-171031</link>
		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is this self-admitted biased organization still on the public dole?  Isn't it long overdue to cut the BBC loose and make it compete in the marketplace?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this self-admitted biased organization still on the public dole?  Isn&#8217;t it long overdue to cut the BBC loose and make it compete in the marketplace?</p>
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		<title>By: Television is dead? - The BBC One Boss responds. &#171; Kempton&#8217;s blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-170764</link>
		<dc:creator>Television is dead? - The BBC One Boss responds. &#171; Kempton&#8217;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have now read Peter&#8217;s speech in full and also read Jeff&#8217;s respond to Peter&#8217;s speech twice, I think Jeff has some really strong points. Would love to see if Peter choose to reply or not. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have now read Peter&#8217;s speech in full and also read Jeff&#8217;s respond to Peter&#8217;s speech twice, I think Jeff has some really strong points. Would love to see if Peter choose to reply or not. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kempton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/23/exploding-tv-the-bbc-responds/#comment-170672</link>
		<dc:creator>Kempton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff, Thanks for you insightful and detailed respond to Peter's speech. I think BBC is a great institution but I think I have been thinking too much "BBC can do no wrong" and too much of "CBC should copy BBC" lately. Thanks for shedding light on this important area and your views of BBC's take on things are much appreciated.

Keep up the great blog.

Cheers,
Kempton
Canada</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff, Thanks for you insightful and detailed respond to Peter&#8217;s speech. I think BBC is a great institution but I think I have been thinking too much &#8220;BBC can do no wrong&#8221; and too much of &#8220;CBC should copy BBC&#8221; lately. Thanks for shedding light on this important area and your views of BBC&#8217;s take on things are much appreciated.</p>
<p>Keep up the great blog.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Kempton<br />
Canada</p>
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