Comments on: Consumer generated argument http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/31/consumer-generated-argument/ by Jeff Jarvis Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:51:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Jonathan Carson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/31/consumer-generated-argument/#comment-181764 Jonathan Carson Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:29:07 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/31/consumer-generated-argument/#comment-181764 Jeff - I read you (and the many others commenting on this topic) loud and clear. I do feel pretty passionately that we have worked hard to be a very open and transparent company in many different ways: we give a slew of our analytics away to the blogosphere for free via our Blogpulse.com; we issue lots of free data through white papers, academic research and such; we have lots of official and unofficial company blogs; we participate and help run a lot of events which have active blogging components. But some of our activities - including facilitating confidential inter-client meetings - will have to be off the record. Doing that in a manner that is not dissonant with all of our open activities is a balance that we must find, and I am certainly paying attention to the fact that you and others feel we missed the mark in this instance. I appreciate the feedback. Jonathan Carson Jeff -

I read you (and the many others commenting on this topic) loud and clear.

I do feel pretty passionately that we have worked hard to be a very open and transparent company in many different ways: we give a slew of our analytics away to the blogosphere for free via our Blogpulse.com; we issue lots of free data through white papers, academic research and such; we have lots of official and unofficial company blogs; we participate and help run a lot of events which have active blogging components.

But some of our activities - including facilitating confidential inter-client meetings - will have to be off the record. Doing that in a manner that is not dissonant with all of our open activities is a balance that we must find, and I am certainly paying attention to the fact that you and others feel we missed the mark in this instance.

I appreciate the feedback.

Jonathan Carson

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/31/consumer-generated-argument/#comment-180609 Jeff Jarvis Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:35:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/31/consumer-generated-argument/#comment-180609 Matthew, with all due respect, but using your language, you're still not getting it. Who is generating the content that you analyze? US. It's not yours. It is ours. And if you have not learned the lesson that that knowledge is improved by the conversation, then you're not getting the most important lesson of all. Greg said quite reasonably that there could be a mix of open and off the record. You are being dogmatic about closed. You don't own the wisdom of the crowd, Matthew. We do. That is getting it. I think it's time for some open source analysis of that wisdom. Then you most certainly won't be able to shut the door on it. Matthew, with all due respect, but using your language, you’re still not getting it. Who is generating the content that you analyze? US. It’s not yours. It is ours. And if you have not learned the lesson that that knowledge is improved by the conversation, then you’re not getting the most important lesson of all. Greg said quite reasonably that there could be a mix of open and off the record. You are being dogmatic about closed. You don’t own the wisdom of the crowd, Matthew. We do. That is getting it. I think it’s time for some open source analysis of that wisdom. Then you most certainly won’t be able to shut the door on it.

]]> By: Matthew Hurst http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/31/consumer-generated-argument/#comment-180446 Matthew Hurst Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:10:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/31/consumer-generated-argument/#comment-180446 Jeff - you're still not getting it. This wasn't a conference of the pay to attend variety, this was a customer gathering. You say that we still need 'to understand that this isn't just another business conference.' It's been disappointing, but not surprising, to see how bloggers have run at this discussion without looking at the facts - NOT A CONFERENCE, A CUSTOMER GATHERING. Admittedly we could have done a better job of making that clear, but I would expect quality bloggers to take a little more time and consideration in understanding the facts. To balance Greg's post - I heard plenty of things that could potentially compromise various attendees. Who is to judge? Jeff - you’re still not getting it. This wasn’t a conference of the pay to attend variety, this was a customer gathering. You say that we still need ‘to understand that this isn’t just another business conference.’ It’s been disappointing, but not surprising, to see how bloggers have run at this discussion without looking at the facts - NOT A CONFERENCE, A CUSTOMER GATHERING. Admittedly we could have done a better job of making that clear, but I would expect quality bloggers to take a little more time and consideration in understanding the facts.

To balance Greg’s post - I heard plenty of things that could potentially compromise various attendees. Who is to judge?

]]> By: Kempton http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/10/31/consumer-generated-argument/#comment-180251 Kempton Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:01:44 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/10/31/consumer-generated-argument/#comment-180251 Hi Jeff, You put your argument eloquently here. After thinking about this "blog banning" thing for two days, I ultimately decided to spend time and blogged about it in my own way. Here is a link to my blog about this "blog banning" thing. http://kempton.ideasRevolution.com/2006/10/31/100-vs-the-world/ Cheers, Kempton Canada Hi Jeff,

You put your argument eloquently here. After thinking about this “blog banning” thing for two days, I ultimately decided to spend time and blogged about it in my own way. Here is a link to my blog about this “blog banning” thing.

http://kempton.ideasRevolution.com/2006/10/31/100-vs-the-world/

Cheers,
Kempton
Canada

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