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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-216776</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Jeff, the funny thing about this whole controversy and the &#039;new way of doing PR/marketing&#039; is that it really is the &#039;old way&#039; of what we called listening to the &#039;voice of the customer.&#039; Now customers&#039; voices are amplified, multiplied and whether companies ask for feedback or not they&#039;re getting it. The &#039;trick&#039; as in the &#039;old way&#039; is how we listen and then respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Jeff, the funny thing about this whole controversy and the &#8216;new way of doing PR/marketing&#8217; is that it really is the &#8216;old way&#8217; of what we called listening to the &#8216;voice of the customer.&#8217; Now customers&#8217; voices are amplified, multiplied and whether companies ask for feedback or not they&#8217;re getting it. The &#8216;trick&#8217; as in the &#8216;old way&#8217; is how we listen and then respond.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nov. 15, 2006: Shorter Journalista 3</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-198671</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalista &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nov. 15, 2006: Shorter Journalista 3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This isn&#8217;t comics, but I really wish I&#8217;d seen Entertainment Weekly co-founder turned media critic Jeff Jarvis&#8216; explanation of the need for public-relations forthrightness in the Internet Age yesterday, when discussing TightLip Entertainment&#8217;s difficulties in controlling the online narrative. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This isn&#8217;t comics, but I really wish I&#8217;d seen Entertainment Weekly co-founder turned media critic Jeff Jarvis&#8216; explanation of the need for public-relations forthrightness in the Internet Age yesterday, when discussing TightLip Entertainment&#8217;s difficulties in controlling the online narrative. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Cass</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-198087</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your right Jeff, in that there is a new reality with blogs and other similar types of website and email lists.  Once private conversations between communications staff and journalists are not published on a blog for all the world to see.  

Any company that understands the importance of building a strong brand by building great products will have always tried to get their message across about their product.  Volvo is the classic case of a company that focuses on building great and safe cars. 

Blogs can help a company to tell their story by giving banal details about everyday life.  Stonyfield Farm, the yogurt company has a blog about an organic farmer, the blog really demonstrates that Stonyfield is committed to making organic yogurt.  Yet the blog does not even have to tell me the company makes yogurt.  I have the association with the blog and company&#039;s products and put two and two together.

I actually think that blogs will help businesses really understand the benefits of building a strong brand and using the marketing concept in their business.  (marketing is not just sales, but the process of identifying customer&#039;s wants and needs and satisfying them, efficiently and profitably)

As I believe that if a company does not build the best product a set of customers are willing to buy, its going to be a lot harder to sell their products because of blogs, and the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right Jeff, in that there is a new reality with blogs and other similar types of website and email lists.  Once private conversations between communications staff and journalists are not published on a blog for all the world to see.  </p>
<p>Any company that understands the importance of building a strong brand by building great products will have always tried to get their message across about their product.  Volvo is the classic case of a company that focuses on building great and safe cars. </p>
<p>Blogs can help a company to tell their story by giving banal details about everyday life.  Stonyfield Farm, the yogurt company has a blog about an organic farmer, the blog really demonstrates that Stonyfield is committed to making organic yogurt.  Yet the blog does not even have to tell me the company makes yogurt.  I have the association with the blog and company&#8217;s products and put two and two together.</p>
<p>I actually think that blogs will help businesses really understand the benefits of building a strong brand and using the marketing concept in their business.  (marketing is not just sales, but the process of identifying customer&#8217;s wants and needs and satisfying them, efficiently and profitably)</p>
<p>As I believe that if a company does not build the best product a set of customers are willing to buy, its going to be a lot harder to sell their products because of blogs, and the web.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Snyder</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-197167</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,

Just wanted to make sure you made a very important distinction when writing your column. The problem here Jeff is that PR is much (much) more than &quot;flackery, public information, press agentry.&quot; Those things ARE included in PR but PR isn&#039;t limited to those things. Know what I mean?

What I mean is you&#039;re confusing &lt;strong&gt;public relations&lt;/strong&gt; with &lt;strong&gt;media relations&lt;/strong&gt;. There are a whole bunch of strategies and tactics that are included in the public relations function that have nothing to with media relations.

For example, I counseled one of my client to adopt an ethics code (based on employee recommendations), make sure that all department heads sign on and ensure that all employees are briefed about it.

For example, I recommended to a client to give in to a number of request from its union. The logic was that the cost of accepting the demands is less than the cost (in employee morale) of refusing them.

For example, I suggested to a client that he adopt a blogging policy for his employees (and that he consult them in its writing).

See Jeff, all of these things are public relations. None of them are flackery, public information, or press agentry (to use your terms).

Regards.

Marc Snyder
(cross-posted here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://emm-ess.blogspot.com/2006/11/jeff-jarviss-column-on-new.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Jeff Jarvis&#039;s column on the new responsibility of PR&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>Just wanted to make sure you made a very important distinction when writing your column. The problem here Jeff is that PR is much (much) more than &#8220;flackery, public information, press agentry.&#8221; Those things ARE included in PR but PR isn&#8217;t limited to those things. Know what I mean?</p>
<p>What I mean is you&#8217;re confusing <strong>public relations</strong> with <strong>media relations</strong>. There are a whole bunch of strategies and tactics that are included in the public relations function that have nothing to with media relations.</p>
<p>For example, I counseled one of my client to adopt an ethics code (based on employee recommendations), make sure that all department heads sign on and ensure that all employees are briefed about it.</p>
<p>For example, I recommended to a client to give in to a number of request from its union. The logic was that the cost of accepting the demands is less than the cost (in employee morale) of refusing them.</p>
<p>For example, I suggested to a client that he adopt a blogging policy for his employees (and that he consult them in its writing).</p>
<p>See Jeff, all of these things are public relations. None of them are flackery, public information, or press agentry (to use your terms).</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
<p>Marc Snyder<br />
(cross-posted here: <a href="http://emm-ess.blogspot.com/2006/11/jeff-jarviss-column-on-new.html" rel="nofollow"> Jeff Jarvis&#8217;s column on the new responsibility of PR</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The lesser of evils</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-196004</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The lesser of evils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] : I&#8217;m likely writing my Guardian column this week about all these pr kerfuffles and the new responsibility of pr. So please do add in your thoughts to these posts. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-195674</link>
		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the old phrase &#039;you can&#039;t polish a turd&#039;. It applies to PR now as much as ever. 

Why anyone in business thinks some other people in suits can magic them out of a bad or crisis situation is beyond me.

Why PR people should wish to convey that impression for short term gain is likewise beyond me (yes they&#039;re in it for the money but is it sustainable?).

Good PRs, good companies and good CEOs are good at their job because the know what they&#039;re about, not because they&#039;ve taken someone out to dinner.

Yes there is the odd person whose PR outweighs their contribution to life, but these get found out in the end. Typically anyone you read about frequently in the trade press...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the old phrase &#8216;you can&#8217;t polish a turd&#8217;. It applies to PR now as much as ever. </p>
<p>Why anyone in business thinks some other people in suits can magic them out of a bad or crisis situation is beyond me.</p>
<p>Why PR people should wish to convey that impression for short term gain is likewise beyond me (yes they&#8217;re in it for the money but is it sustainable?).</p>
<p>Good PRs, good companies and good CEOs are good at their job because the know what they&#8217;re about, not because they&#8217;ve taken someone out to dinner.</p>
<p>Yes there is the odd person whose PR outweighs their contribution to life, but these get found out in the end. Typically anyone you read about frequently in the trade press&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Love</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-192145</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of the earlier comments made by the fake Amanda on this forum.  The Amanda avatar, who claimed to represent a PR firm, saw PR as the gatekeeper.  This gatekeeper helped to keep internal institutional information behind a carefully managed firewall.  In a sense, PR is now the rope in the informational tug-of-war between the public and the institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the earlier comments made by the fake Amanda on this forum.  The Amanda avatar, who claimed to represent a PR firm, saw PR as the gatekeeper.  This gatekeeper helped to keep internal institutional information behind a carefully managed firewall.  In a sense, PR is now the rope in the informational tug-of-war between the public and the institution.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hespos</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-191731</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hespos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go, Jeff.

It&#039;s our disgust with the notion of spin and the PR mindset that people&#039;s reaction to information is something that somehow needs to be managed by an agency that led us to our approach for Conversational Marketing.

The difference between our approach and that of a PR agency is that we seek only to give our clients guidance with the goal of training them to do without us.  At the core of all of this is the Golden Rule - the whole &quot;do unto others...&quot; thing.  I never imagined myself blogging on behalf of a client, and I don&#039;t - I&#039;d rather help them find the people in their organization that can represent interesting and relevant voices of the company - folks in product development, engineering, people who have real dialogue with customers, etc.

If an agency is blogging on behalf of a client, the dialogue isn&#039;t as real as it would be if some of the people I mentioned above were conversing directly with the market, right?  Then why do we need PR agencies for blogging initiatives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go, Jeff.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s our disgust with the notion of spin and the PR mindset that people&#8217;s reaction to information is something that somehow needs to be managed by an agency that led us to our approach for Conversational Marketing.</p>
<p>The difference between our approach and that of a PR agency is that we seek only to give our clients guidance with the goal of training them to do without us.  At the core of all of this is the Golden Rule &#8211; the whole &#8220;do unto others&#8230;&#8221; thing.  I never imagined myself blogging on behalf of a client, and I don&#8217;t &#8211; I&#8217;d rather help them find the people in their organization that can represent interesting and relevant voices of the company &#8211; folks in product development, engineering, people who have real dialogue with customers, etc.</p>
<p>If an agency is blogging on behalf of a client, the dialogue isn&#8217;t as real as it would be if some of the people I mentioned above were conversing directly with the market, right?  Then why do we need PR agencies for blogging initiatives?</p>
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		<title>By: Trudy W. Schuett</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-191582</link>
		<dc:creator>Trudy W. Schuett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new architecture of information does not only apply to businesses. It can and should also apply to (small local) governments and private charities, and they have been slow to adopt this new way of looking at things. 

We have allowed the charities especially, to operate under conditions of presumption. We presume they know best about their often unpopular and uncomfortable issues, and have allowed them to function without question or full explanation of their methods. Most of these non-profits do their best to provide transparency and openness, but the few that do not ruin things for the rest.

That&#039;s where we run into trouble, because over time, some agencies have become adept at prevarication and non-disclosure, and they look every bit as fine and upstanding as the others. 

An equality of concept is sorely needed, because an appearance of good works does not always translate into good works actually happening. In some cases, the &quot;cure&quot; provided by some agencies is worse than the problem they claim to address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new architecture of information does not only apply to businesses. It can and should also apply to (small local) governments and private charities, and they have been slow to adopt this new way of looking at things. </p>
<p>We have allowed the charities especially, to operate under conditions of presumption. We presume they know best about their often unpopular and uncomfortable issues, and have allowed them to function without question or full explanation of their methods. Most of these non-profits do their best to provide transparency and openness, but the few that do not ruin things for the rest.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where we run into trouble, because over time, some agencies have become adept at prevarication and non-disclosure, and they look every bit as fine and upstanding as the others. </p>
<p>An equality of concept is sorely needed, because an appearance of good works does not always translate into good works actually happening. In some cases, the &#8220;cure&#8221; provided by some agencies is worse than the problem they claim to address.</p>
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		<title>By: Barney Lerten</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-191197</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney Lerten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t have put it better myself, Jeff.

Well I could have, if the Website I list here was my full-time gig and not something I&#039;ve found too little time for.

I&#039;m sure the &quot;true&quot; PR professionals are wrestling with the issues of their roles in the New Era every day. Sorta like TV news, which is where I work.

But the grand upside of the &quot;New PR&quot; is that ANYONE can get their word out without needing PR &quot;professionals.&quot; And with the Web, companies large and small don&#039;t need to hire some PR firm to curry favor from a reporter and hope they write about you - AND that they get the info right.

If news is a conversation, as you say, then business-customer relationships now finally can be a conversation as well. Messier than the old ways, to be sure, but with SO much more potential on the upside for true brand loyalty, to those who deserve it and work for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t have put it better myself, Jeff.</p>
<p>Well I could have, if the Website I list here was my full-time gig and not something I&#8217;ve found too little time for.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the &#8220;true&#8221; PR professionals are wrestling with the issues of their roles in the New Era every day. Sorta like TV news, which is where I work.</p>
<p>But the grand upside of the &#8220;New PR&#8221; is that ANYONE can get their word out without needing PR &#8220;professionals.&#8221; And with the Web, companies large and small don&#8217;t need to hire some PR firm to curry favor from a reporter and hope they write about you &#8211; AND that they get the info right.</p>
<p>If news is a conversation, as you say, then business-customer relationships now finally can be a conversation as well. Messier than the old ways, to be sure, but with SO much more potential on the upside for true brand loyalty, to those who deserve it and work for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha Feingold</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-190939</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha Feingold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 00:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I was about to write my own comment here, but then I remembered an eloquent post written this summer by one of my Horn Group colleagues..

http://horngroup.blogs.com/horn_group_weblog/2006/08/stranger_in_a_s.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I was about to write my own comment here, but then I remembered an eloquent post written this summer by one of my Horn Group colleagues..</p>
<p><a href="http://horngroup.blogs.com/horn_group_weblog/2006/08/stranger_in_a_s.html" rel="nofollow">http://horngroup.blogs.com/horn_group_weblog/2006/08/stranger_in_a_s.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Small Business Marketing Strategy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-190766</link>
		<dc:creator>Small Business Marketing Strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 Television &#187; Censorship, Media Suppression and Not Taking The Bait, Plus Choosing Your News and More Good Links</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/11/09/pr-and-the-new-architecture-of-information/#comment-190759</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 Television &#187; Censorship, Media Suppression and Not Taking The Bait, Plus Choosing Your News and More Good Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Concludes Jarvis in that post: &quot;There was one reason I did consider going and that&#8217;s in the next post I&#8217;ll write, above.&quot; Link [...]</description>
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