Comments on: Covering the new kids http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:43:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Ariel Vardi http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-245402 Ariel Vardi Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:04:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-245402 Hey there, I'm Ariel, the founder of BrooWaha. I agree that the article was quite harsh and could have noted some qualities of citizen journalism instead of citing all its weaknesses. Not to mention that some of these weaknesses are share between traditional journalism and citizen journalism. I do think however that we are only witnessing the beginning of a transition between a blogging era and a "citizen journalism" one. There is still work to do on our end and we need to manage all this generated content in a coherent way. But I think it's gonna be big, really big, and that it will come much sooner that the LA Times think. Ariel http://losangeles.broowaha.com Hey there,

I’m Ariel, the founder of BrooWaha. I agree that the article was quite harsh and could have noted some qualities of citizen journalism instead of citing all its weaknesses. Not to mention that some of these weaknesses are share between traditional journalism and citizen journalism.

I do think however that we are only witnessing the beginning of a transition between a blogging era and a “citizen journalism” one. There is still work to do on our end and we need to manage all this generated content in a coherent way. But I think it’s gonna be big, really big, and that it will come much sooner that the LA Times think.

Ariel
http://losangeles.broowaha.com

]]> By: Christian http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-244850 Christian Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:36:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-244850 Both supposed sides of this stupid debate frustrate me so much I could cry. Smug "bloggers" are now all wrapped up in their medium just as much as neolithic look-down-the-nose "journalists" are said to be. The hostility directed at "Old Media" as a lumpen apparatus, which bogglingly conflates writers with owner-types, is just getting ridiculous. Both supposed sides of this stupid debate frustrate me so much I could cry. Smug “bloggers” are now all wrapped up in their medium just as much as neolithic look-down-the-nose “journalists” are said to be. The hostility directed at “Old Media” as a lumpen apparatus, which bogglingly conflates writers with owner-types, is just getting ridiculous.

]]> By: Ron Diorio http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-244549 Ron Diorio Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:00:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-244549 The Gutnenberg (from the WSJ article) reference always makes me laugh. It seems that blogs are more like Brownie cameras. They transformed a complex technical process into a push button solution. Culturally the Brownie camera changed the way that we saw things and allowed for sharing amongst our circle of family and friends. This changed the dyamics of picture taking - masterpieces could be created without masters. Blog cultue is somewhat more hyper in its connectivity so mountains out of molehills come faster and with more frequency. Not all Blogs are equal in the same way that High School, Community Theater and a Broadway productions can work the same materials to different ends. Although much of the criticism of MSM is well deserved, Blog culture probably could do wirth some self reflection as well. Though Mr Rago may not be the best at articulating some of the problems with the format it doesn't mean that they aren't there and should be examined in less confrontaional terms. The Gutnenberg (from the WSJ article) reference always makes me laugh. It seems that blogs are more like Brownie cameras. They transformed a complex technical process into a push button solution. Culturally the Brownie camera changed the way that we saw things and allowed for sharing amongst our circle of family and friends. This changed the dyamics of picture taking – masterpieces could be created without masters.

Blog cultue is somewhat more hyper in its connectivity so mountains out of molehills come faster and with more frequency. Not all Blogs are equal in the same way that High School, Community Theater and a Broadway productions can work the same materials to different ends.

Although much of the criticism of MSM is well deserved, Blog culture probably could do wirth some self reflection as well. Though Mr Rago may not be the best at articulating some of the problems with the format it doesn’t mean that they aren’t there and should be examined in less confrontaional terms.

]]> By: john http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-244159 john Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:36:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-244159 Kids, Most of the KIDS are baby boomers/ older people still trying to make a contribution, as the established media will not publish their concerns and opinions, Kids,
Most of the KIDS are baby boomers/ older people still trying to make a contribution, as the established media will not publish their concerns and opinions,

]]> By: Ruth http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-244156 Ruth Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:26:48 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-244156 Grayson, the WSJ is a major perpetrator of the philosophy that rich people should be above reportage. See yesterday's 'go shopping' injunction by w - this is their credo. If you get cheaper shoes and clothes, ignore the weakening dollar, the doubling costs of energy, the loss of good paying jobs in this country. Your buying power is making you rich - that's really the meme. See further info at http://www.cabdrollery.blogspot.com, it's what the WSJ readership is all about. Grayson, the WSJ is a major perpetrator of the philosophy that rich people should be above reportage. See yesterday’s ‘go shopping’ injunction by w – this is their credo. If you get cheaper shoes and clothes, ignore the weakening dollar, the doubling costs of energy, the loss of good paying jobs in this country. Your buying power is making you rich – that’s really the meme. See further info at http://www.cabdrollery.blogspot.com, it’s what the WSJ readership is all about.

]]> By: Nic White http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-243883 Nic White Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:48:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-243883 That's because blogging is not journalism and shouldn't pretend to be. It doesn't have to be anyway, it functions best as commentary, side by side with professional journalism. This so called war between "old" and "new" media is just hokey. That’s because blogging is not journalism and shouldn’t pretend to be. It doesn’t have to be anyway, it functions best as commentary, side by side with professional journalism. This so called war between “old” and “new” media is just hokey.

]]> By: Anna Haynes http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-243793 Anna Haynes Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:13:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-243793 re "amateur" - methinks we oughta reclaim the term, because it _does_ denote what cit-j is about. But perhaps pronounce it differently (like 'connoisseur'), to evade the accumulated negative connotational baggage? re “amateur” – methinks we oughta reclaim the term, because it _does_ denote what cit-j is about.
But perhaps pronounce it differently (like ‘connoisseur’), to evade the accumulated negative connotational baggage?

]]> By: ABC Digital Futures » Blog Archive » Reporting’s mass appeal http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-243639 ABC Digital Futures » Blog Archive » Reporting’s mass appeal Thu, 21 Dec 2006 03:47:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-243639 [...] (Link from BuzzMachine). [...] [...] (Link from BuzzMachine). [...]

]]> By: Delia http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-243115 Delia Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:56:31 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-243115 Jeff, That's certainly what the Latin root says but I'm wondering how many people *really* look at it that way... ("meaning passionate more than mercenary"), especially when used together with "professional," as in "professional and amateur journalists." Delia P.S. Now, if the term was *mercenary* and amateur journalists... yeah! Jeff,

That’s certainly what the Latin root says but I’m wondering how many people *really* look at it that way… (“meaning passionate more than mercenary”), especially when used together with “professional,” as in “professional and amateur journalists.”

Delia

P.S. Now, if the term was *mercenary* and amateur journalists… yeah!

]]> By: Rory OConnor http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-243034 Rory OConnor Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:34:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-243034 Yawn...the LA Times doesn't think bloggers are journalists. What else is new? Maybe next they'll try some unmediated wiki-torials! Yawn…the LA Times doesn’t think bloggers are journalists. What else is new? Maybe next they’ll try some unmediated wiki-torials!

]]> By: Grayson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-242996 Grayson Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:32:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-242996 I thought MSM journalists thought bloggers were "cool?" That statement, regarding bloggers' inherent hip factor, I forget by whom, must have been yet more MSM patronizing babble into their void. I thought MSM journalists thought bloggers were “cool?” That statement, regarding bloggers’ inherent hip factor, I forget by whom, must have been yet more MSM patronizing babble into their void.

]]> By: Ian Green http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-242977 Ian Green Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:05:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-242977 Hi Jeff, The same debate is going on in the UK with many dead tree journalists making fun of the bloggers. As a former journalist I am rather puzzled by this as I never considered journalism a profession - but rather a trade or a knack. A nice counterpoint to the whole anti-citizen journalist view is the following news by the BBC: The BBC has launched a citizen journalism project to explore new multi-media story telling ideas using mobile phones and GPS. BBC Innovation is collaborating with the University of Brighton, Nokia and mobile and web engagement specialist Ymogen for the Geo-stories project to investigate how video, stills and text combined with location and time information can create new narrative formats. Hi Jeff,

The same debate is going on in the UK with many dead tree journalists making fun of the bloggers. As a former journalist I am rather puzzled by this as I never considered journalism a profession – but rather a trade or a knack.

A nice counterpoint to the whole anti-citizen journalist view is the following news by the BBC:

The BBC has launched a citizen journalism project to explore new multi-media story telling ideas using mobile phones and GPS.

BBC Innovation is collaborating with the University of Brighton, Nokia and mobile and web engagement specialist Ymogen for the Geo-stories project to investigate how video, stills and text combined with location and time information can create new narrative formats.

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-242934 Jeff Jarvis Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:58:44 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-242934 Amateur is a good word, embraced by many bloggers, meaning passionate more than mercenary. Amateur is a good word, embraced by many bloggers, meaning passionate more than mercenary.

]]> By: ray algar http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-242926 ray algar Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:50:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-242926 Many of the blogs I read have a clear subject focus, are well-written and insightful. They may not convey the full story, but provide sufficient content to enrich my understanding. What is amateurish about that? Many of the blogs I read have a clear subject focus, are well-written and insightful. They may not convey the full story, but provide sufficient content to enrich my understanding. What is amateurish about that?

]]> By: Grayson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-242921 Grayson Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:46:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/12/20/covering-the-new-kids/#comment-242921 The LATimes doesn't hate bloggers as much as the WSJ. That ink-lump has about declared all out war. I do love the sound of indignant, arrogant, patronizing suits 'a lipflappin' with my morning coffee. Gets me laughing for the day if nothing else. The LATimes doesn’t hate bloggers as much as the WSJ. That ink-lump has about declared all out war. I do love the sound of indignant, arrogant, patronizing suits ‘a lipflappin’ with my morning coffee. Gets me laughing for the day if nothing else.

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