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	<title>Comments on: BK Hell</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-369188</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does it take in this world to have customer service?  Once again, I drive through the burger king drive-thru and lo and behold they screw my order up again.  Of course it is right on the receipt but they don't get it right.  Seriously, how hard is it to do your job right.  Shitty customer service, lackadasical attitude and inability to do their job.  Is that what you should expect after paying for a service.  Hell no.  It is so frustrating in this world to see this lazy ass, don't give a shit attitude.  The store is store #3772 located in Chubbuck, Idaho.  I would recommend if you want your food in timely fashion and the right food, you don't not use this restaurant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it take in this world to have customer service?  Once again, I drive through the burger king drive-thru and lo and behold they screw my order up again.  Of course it is right on the receipt but they don&#8217;t get it right.  Seriously, how hard is it to do your job right.  Shitty customer service, lackadasical attitude and inability to do their job.  Is that what you should expect after paying for a service.  Hell no.  It is so frustrating in this world to see this lazy ass, don&#8217;t give a shit attitude.  The store is store #3772 located in Chubbuck, Idaho.  I would recommend if you want your food in timely fashion and the right food, you don&#8217;t not use this restaurant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose E. Mannis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-354855</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose E. Mannis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never complain, 80% of the people dont care,and the othe 20% are glad you got the problem and they dont. Buenos nachos putos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never complain, 80% of the people dont care,and the othe 20% are glad you got the problem and they dont. Buenos nachos putos</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-326886</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to GA:

You will never get in contact with those "in charge" because they have too much to worry about as-is without having to please every idiot who didn't get there way.  Most companies have entire departments that deal with complaints, and most of these complaints are ridiculous, so why waste money on something not worth it.  

In my opinion, people that complain alot are just looking for free handouts anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to GA:</p>
<p>You will never get in contact with those &#8220;in charge&#8221; because they have too much to worry about as-is without having to please every idiot who didn&#8217;t get there way.  Most companies have entire departments that deal with complaints, and most of these complaints are ridiculous, so why waste money on something not worth it.  </p>
<p>In my opinion, people that complain alot are just looking for free handouts anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Ga</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-315026</link>
		<dc:creator>Ga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"They donâ€™t take email."

I know that this is 'old blog' by now (Feb. 1), but it &lt;strong&gt;is rather telling&lt;/strong&gt; of how our society is being disconnected from that which controls what we see, hear and eat. 

How many of the "managers" in franchises and chain stores have any say in policy and pricing? I doubt if any do.

These places are controled and run by remote corporate headquarters through a hierarchy of mangement. People at the top never hear from those at the bottom, and probably also never hear from customers (except through "focus groups" and advertising agencies and the like).

Almost all avenues to contact corporations -- phone and websites -- are the most maddening processes to deal with these days; one never actually reaches anyone "in charge."

Even companies like Google -- net savy Google -- make it very difficult to contact them.

We are heading to a country where noone will ever meet those who run the corporate world, and us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They donâ€™t take email.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know that this is &#8216;old blog&#8217; by now (Feb. 1), but it <strong>is rather telling</strong> of how our society is being disconnected from that which controls what we see, hear and eat. </p>
<p>How many of the &#8220;managers&#8221; in franchises and chain stores have any say in policy and pricing? I doubt if any do.</p>
<p>These places are controled and run by remote corporate headquarters through a hierarchy of mangement. People at the top never hear from those at the bottom, and probably also never hear from customers (except through &#8220;focus groups&#8221; and advertising agencies and the like).</p>
<p>Almost all avenues to contact corporations &#8212; phone and websites &#8212; are the most maddening processes to deal with these days; one never actually reaches anyone &#8220;in charge.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even companies like Google &#8212; net savy Google &#8212; make it very difficult to contact them.</p>
<p>We are heading to a country where noone will ever meet those who run the corporate world, and us.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-312063</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a complaint about #5877.....Theyre quick and accurate about charging the extra $.80 for onion rings, but when it comes to actually supplying you with the onion rings thats another story. Freaking incompetence, not to mention theyre theives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a complaint about #5877&#8230;..Theyre quick and accurate about charging the extra $.80 for onion rings, but when it comes to actually supplying you with the onion rings thats another story. Freaking incompetence, not to mention theyre theives.</p>
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		<title>By: Ender</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-291588</link>
		<dc:creator>Ender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe I just read through this entire thread of responses, let alone feel that it's in any way necessary for me to weigh in on this issue of earth-shattering importance, but here I am.  In order to establish my credentials in this matter, I must admit that I actually worked as  Burger King manager during my first couple of years of college.  (Not exactly resume material, but once you've convinced teenagers to clean toilets for minimum wage you know that you can pretty much accomplish anything you want in life.)  

Whether or not their chicken nugget pricing scheme is appropriate I will leave to those who are more emotionally invested.  However, the BK manager in this scenario did overlook the most obvious solution: Void the original sale on the cash register and re-ring the nuggets up at the cheaper price on a new ticket.  Thus, the unhappy customer gets his way AND the register isn't short money at the end of the night.  Problem solved.  I will acknowledge that during my tenure I was probably one of the brighter people involved in BK management, but shutting up yappy customers with petty grievances is not rocket science, especially considering how many of them must be dealt with on a daily basis when working in that kind of job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I just read through this entire thread of responses, let alone feel that it&#8217;s in any way necessary for me to weigh in on this issue of earth-shattering importance, but here I am.  In order to establish my credentials in this matter, I must admit that I actually worked as  Burger King manager during my first couple of years of college.  (Not exactly resume material, but once you&#8217;ve convinced teenagers to clean toilets for minimum wage you know that you can pretty much accomplish anything you want in life.)  </p>
<p>Whether or not their chicken nugget pricing scheme is appropriate I will leave to those who are more emotionally invested.  However, the BK manager in this scenario did overlook the most obvious solution: Void the original sale on the cash register and re-ring the nuggets up at the cheaper price on a new ticket.  Thus, the unhappy customer gets his way AND the register isn&#8217;t short money at the end of the night.  Problem solved.  I will acknowledge that during my tenure I was probably one of the brighter people involved in BK management, but shutting up yappy customers with petty grievances is not rocket science, especially considering how many of them must be dealt with on a daily basis when working in that kind of job.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-276160</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Jeff here. Life is made up of a lot of different events, both small and large, and I don't feel his initial post is overreacting when he felt injustice was served indifferently and coldly. The difference between $2 and $2.29 is actually a 14.5% difference, which is quite a nice profit on a percentage basis. Based on an 8% sales tax, Jeff would have been out around 62 cents, not 58 cents, on his purchase, but he never said he was losing sleep over it - he was simply pointing it out, as well as the predictable â€˜I couldnâ€™t care lessâ€™ attitude of the employees. â€œClerksâ€ and â€œClerks IIâ€ are instructive on this point!

There is no doubt about the same pricing inequity occurring similarly in grocery stores â€“ to me itâ€™s simply funny, since I am always aware of it, but others who donâ€™t fare as well in math or observation are literally paying the price. Along the same line is the â€˜shrinkingâ€™ of package or container sizes while keeping the price the same â€“ unless youâ€™ve observant, youâ€™ll never notice the â€˜stealthâ€™ price increase. No regulation exists that forces stores to charge less on a per unit basis for larger amounts than smaller amounts, so common sense dictates that you price items yourself, using a calculator if you need to. If you donâ€™t care about the price, no one is saying you should care, but Dylanâ€™s response is to denigrate Jeff for posting his opinion on this. Belittling people is pretty easy â€“ what I wonder about is WHY Dylan found such an unimportant post worth so much of his â€˜way too seriousâ€™ time? What surprised me was that someone felt it necessary to slam Jeff at all â€“ he was right on all counts.

By the way, Burger King is currently offering a â€˜crown cardâ€™, which is a cash-balance card that you can charge from $5 to $100 and has no expiration date or maintenance fees of any kind. I mention this because a local BK is offering a free Whopper with the purchase of a $10 cash card. Since I probably stop once a month for a Whopper, this was a good deal, since I essentially earned 28.6% on my $10 investment ($2.86 would have been the Whopperâ€™s total cost). Itâ€™s an even better deal because there are no conditions on the card, which means I can use it in combination with a â€˜buy one â€“ get one freeâ€™ Whopper coupon from my local Entertainment book. Using 4 of these coupons (I have more than one Entertainment book), I will be out of pocket $11.44 ($10 using the card) for 8 Whoppers â€“ throw in the free Whopper and thatâ€™s 9 Whoppers for an average price of $1.27 each after tax, as opposed to $2.86 each, an overall savings of 55.5% per burger and a total savings of $14.31.

Service is damned good at that BK location, but service in general at fast food joints in Kansas City is lousy, in fact so bad at KFC that Iâ€™ve simply stopped going. I am not kidding when I say that 50% of the orders were simply wrong, and of the correct orders, probably 75% of the time the chicken was not up to snuff (greasy, small pieces, too much heat lamp, etc). Iâ€™m writing KFC a letter specifying the location and the fact that I wonâ€™t be eating the Colonelâ€™s birds any longer, considering that the pieces seem to come from a large Rock Cornish game hen rather than a fryer (the wings are miniscule). Is this a big deal in my life? No, of course not, but the service problem is symptomatic of a much more pervasive service problem in the U.S. and by getting my licks in, Iâ€™m letting a few companies know that their way of doing business is no longer acceptable â€“ if more people would do what Jeff did, maybe theyâ€™d get the message and improve their service â€“ which would be a good thing, right???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Jeff here. Life is made up of a lot of different events, both small and large, and I don&#8217;t feel his initial post is overreacting when he felt injustice was served indifferently and coldly. The difference between $2 and $2.29 is actually a 14.5% difference, which is quite a nice profit on a percentage basis. Based on an 8% sales tax, Jeff would have been out around 62 cents, not 58 cents, on his purchase, but he never said he was losing sleep over it - he was simply pointing it out, as well as the predictable â€˜I couldnâ€™t care lessâ€™ attitude of the employees. â€œClerksâ€ and â€œClerks IIâ€ are instructive on this point!</p>
<p>There is no doubt about the same pricing inequity occurring similarly in grocery stores â€“ to me itâ€™s simply funny, since I am always aware of it, but others who donâ€™t fare as well in math or observation are literally paying the price. Along the same line is the â€˜shrinkingâ€™ of package or container sizes while keeping the price the same â€“ unless youâ€™ve observant, youâ€™ll never notice the â€˜stealthâ€™ price increase. No regulation exists that forces stores to charge less on a per unit basis for larger amounts than smaller amounts, so common sense dictates that you price items yourself, using a calculator if you need to. If you donâ€™t care about the price, no one is saying you should care, but Dylanâ€™s response is to denigrate Jeff for posting his opinion on this. Belittling people is pretty easy â€“ what I wonder about is WHY Dylan found such an unimportant post worth so much of his â€˜way too seriousâ€™ time? What surprised me was that someone felt it necessary to slam Jeff at all â€“ he was right on all counts.</p>
<p>By the way, Burger King is currently offering a â€˜crown cardâ€™, which is a cash-balance card that you can charge from $5 to $100 and has no expiration date or maintenance fees of any kind. I mention this because a local BK is offering a free Whopper with the purchase of a $10 cash card. Since I probably stop once a month for a Whopper, this was a good deal, since I essentially earned 28.6% on my $10 investment ($2.86 would have been the Whopperâ€™s total cost). Itâ€™s an even better deal because there are no conditions on the card, which means I can use it in combination with a â€˜buy one â€“ get one freeâ€™ Whopper coupon from my local Entertainment book. Using 4 of these coupons (I have more than one Entertainment book), I will be out of pocket $11.44 ($10 using the card) for 8 Whoppers â€“ throw in the free Whopper and thatâ€™s 9 Whoppers for an average price of $1.27 each after tax, as opposed to $2.86 each, an overall savings of 55.5% per burger and a total savings of $14.31.</p>
<p>Service is damned good at that BK location, but service in general at fast food joints in Kansas City is lousy, in fact so bad at KFC that Iâ€™ve simply stopped going. I am not kidding when I say that 50% of the orders were simply wrong, and of the correct orders, probably 75% of the time the chicken was not up to snuff (greasy, small pieces, too much heat lamp, etc). Iâ€™m writing KFC a letter specifying the location and the fact that I wonâ€™t be eating the Colonelâ€™s birds any longer, considering that the pieces seem to come from a large Rock Cornish game hen rather than a fryer (the wings are miniscule). Is this a big deal in my life? No, of course not, but the service problem is symptomatic of a much more pervasive service problem in the U.S. and by getting my licks in, Iâ€™m letting a few companies know that their way of doing business is no longer acceptable â€“ if more people would do what Jeff did, maybe theyâ€™d get the message and improve their service â€“ which would be a good thing, right???</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-270918</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to applaud BK for their socially responsible attitude.

Having a pricing structure in place that's clearly designed to discourage people from clogging up their arteries by buying larger packs is a forward-thinking and innovative heath-positive strategy.

Even better if you could pay them a little more to throw it away before you eat it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to applaud BK for their socially responsible attitude.</p>
<p>Having a pricing structure in place that&#8217;s clearly designed to discourage people from clogging up their arteries by buying larger packs is a forward-thinking and innovative heath-positive strategy.</p>
<p>Even better if you could pay them a little more to throw it away before you eat it.</p>
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		<title>By: WSS</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-270352</link>
		<dc:creator>WSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 05:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you asked if Dylan was on the side of the little guy.  Has it occurred to you that maybe in this case the little guy is that Burger King manager making $1 over minimum wage, being hastled about something he has ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER by a customer who makes 10x his salary and who could get him fired from his crappy BK manager job at the drop of a hat.  He is just a cog in the machine, he is the little guy.  Fast food is so ridiculously cheap anyway, the 58 cents doesn't make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you asked if Dylan was on the side of the little guy.  Has it occurred to you that maybe in this case the little guy is that Burger King manager making $1 over minimum wage, being hastled about something he has ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER by a customer who makes 10x his salary and who could get him fired from his crappy BK manager job at the drop of a hat.  He is just a cog in the machine, he is the little guy.  Fast food is so ridiculously cheap anyway, the 58 cents doesn&#8217;t make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-268249</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 06:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See that, Jeff, you're an idiot. Get used to it.

Kidding.

Anyway, that 58 cents means something. I'm throwing myself behind the "principle of the issue" team. I do that because skimming small amounts here and there is one of the ways that human beings from the lowest to the highest points of the economic ladder get an edge on their fellows. You do something small enough long enough and it adds up. 

That, of course, shows that everything I learned about human nature came from "Office Space."

ps - "We're, uh, gonna have to, uh, ask you to come in on Sunday. MMmmm-hmmm. Yeaah."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See that, Jeff, you&#8217;re an idiot. Get used to it.</p>
<p>Kidding.</p>
<p>Anyway, that 58 cents means something. I&#8217;m throwing myself behind the &#8220;principle of the issue&#8221; team. I do that because skimming small amounts here and there is one of the ways that human beings from the lowest to the highest points of the economic ladder get an edge on their fellows. You do something small enough long enough and it adds up. </p>
<p>That, of course, shows that everything I learned about human nature came from &#8220;Office Space.&#8221;</p>
<p>ps - &#8220;We&#8217;re, uh, gonna have to, uh, ask you to come in on Sunday. MMmmm-hmmm. Yeaah.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hayes</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-266855</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think justice is important. Access to justice is increasingly limited and costly. Accountability is too often hidden behind a helpless shrug. Burger King and too many firms invade our garden while nothing, nada, zilch is socially mandated to assure their accountability and public benefit. Complaining in a blog is a path toward justice. bravo, with a 'little b' discount for not bitching more often!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think justice is important. Access to justice is increasingly limited and costly. Accountability is too often hidden behind a helpless shrug. Burger King and too many firms invade our garden while nothing, nada, zilch is socially mandated to assure their accountability and public benefit. Complaining in a blog is a path toward justice. bravo, with a &#8216;little b&#8217; discount for not bitching more often!</p>
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		<title>By: Brooklyn Kitchen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-266616</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooklyn Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You shouldn't eat that crap, and you shouldn't give it to your kids.</description>
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		<title>By: Miriam</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-266603</link>
		<dc:creator>Miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never attribute anything (like charging more for a larger size) to malice--or craftiness--that can be explained by stupidity.

The condition of the schools today is such that people honestly don't know how to add 2 and 2.  Figures above 2 digits--forget it, too complex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never attribute anything (like charging more for a larger size) to malice&#8211;or craftiness&#8211;that can be explained by stupidity.</p>
<p>The condition of the schools today is such that people honestly don&#8217;t know how to add 2 and 2.  Figures above 2 digits&#8211;forget it, too complex.</p>
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		<title>By: jan willem</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265915</link>
		<dc:creator>jan willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do the words "Get a life" mean anything to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the words &#8220;Get a life&#8221; mean anything to you?</p>
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		<title>By: ponce</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265850</link>
		<dc:creator>ponce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't eaten there since they changed the fries.</description>
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		<title>By: Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265785</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole thing reminds me of when I went to the Burger King drive-thru for breakfast and ordered my Croissanwich (sp?) and it cost one amount, but when I enjoyed it so much that I went back the next day for another, it cost a different amount.  I didn't make a scene, but I did ask the lady if the price went up over the course of one day, and she goes, "Oh, hold on..." and then the price was mysteriously the same as it was the day before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole thing reminds me of when I went to the Burger King drive-thru for breakfast and ordered my Croissanwich (sp?) and it cost one amount, but when I enjoyed it so much that I went back the next day for another, it cost a different amount.  I didn&#8217;t make a scene, but I did ask the lady if the price went up over the course of one day, and she goes, &#8220;Oh, hold on&#8230;&#8221; and then the price was mysteriously the same as it was the day before.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler Heads</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265733</link>
		<dc:creator>Cooler Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you have a heart condition. Why are you bothering with this? Life is full of little annoyances. People who don't turn right on red when there's no traffic coming. People who won't bag their own groceries at the supermarket. Chinese restaurants that forget to include the extra rice you ordered.

Have you ever heard the expression, 'don't sweat the small stuff?'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you have a heart condition. Why are you bothering with this? Life is full of little annoyances. People who don&#8217;t turn right on red when there&#8217;s no traffic coming. People who won&#8217;t bag their own groceries at the supermarket. Chinese restaurants that forget to include the extra rice you ordered.</p>
<p>Have you ever heard the expression, &#8216;don&#8217;t sweat the small stuff?&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: marcy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265528</link>
		<dc:creator>marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"But while Iâ€™m at it: Why is it that, when someone expresses an opinion in comments on virtually any blog that someone disagrees with, the most common response is not to directly rebut the opinion, but to denegrate the commenter? "'

Well your post was more or less a bitch about something irrelevant to begin with and no one likes to hear such a stupid irrelevant bitch.  You bloggers are the ones posting inane comments.  Expect criticism and irreverance.  What?  Do you think all your posts are worthy of discussion?  Do you think your posts are worthy of praise?  What a laugh.  If you say or post something stupid expect to be denegrated or ridiculed.  BeDuh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But while Iâ€™m at it: Why is it that, when someone expresses an opinion in comments on virtually any blog that someone disagrees with, the most common response is not to directly rebut the opinion, but to denegrate the commenter? &#8220;&#8216;</p>
<p>Well your post was more or less a bitch about something irrelevant to begin with and no one likes to hear such a stupid irrelevant bitch.  You bloggers are the ones posting inane comments.  Expect criticism and irreverance.  What?  Do you think all your posts are worthy of discussion?  Do you think your posts are worthy of praise?  What a laugh.  If you say or post something stupid expect to be denegrated or ridiculed.  BeDuh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265401</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But while I'm at it: Why is it that, when someone expresses an opinion in comments on virtually any blog that someone disagrees with, the most common response is not to directly rebut the opinion, but to denegrate the commenter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But while I&#8217;m at it: Why is it that, when someone expresses an opinion in comments on virtually any blog that someone disagrees with, the most common response is not to directly rebut the opinion, but to denegrate the commenter?</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265400</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

You are correct, there is certainly a worldview involved in everything, and I have one of my own. It is probably no surprise to you that, in addition to being a journalism student (which, though it was alluded as otherwise, I do pay for myself... As if that somehow lessons my point anyway) I am a waiter, so I feel a bit of sympathy for the manager that had to field your complaint.

You ask at what price would the rip-off be high enough to merit actual concern. I'm not going to pretend to have a definitive answer for that, but I can say that, at some point, there is a price miniscule enough that it doesn't warrant the waste of time for either you or the managers you deal with (who don't set the prices to begin with and have no control over the ability to refund you the money).

What is that price? I'd like to think that there's a little common sense involved in that, but certainly 58 cents falls into that realm.

There's nothing wrong with trying to save a few pennies. Frugality is a viture. However, it ceases to be a virtue when you make such a miniscule thing an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>You are correct, there is certainly a worldview involved in everything, and I have one of my own. It is probably no surprise to you that, in addition to being a journalism student (which, though it was alluded as otherwise, I do pay for myself&#8230; As if that somehow lessons my point anyway) I am a waiter, so I feel a bit of sympathy for the manager that had to field your complaint.</p>
<p>You ask at what price would the rip-off be high enough to merit actual concern. I&#8217;m not going to pretend to have a definitive answer for that, but I can say that, at some point, there is a price miniscule enough that it doesn&#8217;t warrant the waste of time for either you or the managers you deal with (who don&#8217;t set the prices to begin with and have no control over the ability to refund you the money).</p>
<p>What is that price? I&#8217;d like to think that there&#8217;s a little common sense involved in that, but certainly 58 cents falls into that realm.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with trying to save a few pennies. Frugality is a viture. However, it ceases to be a virtue when you make such a miniscule thing an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: David Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265376</link>
		<dc:creator>David Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this topic interesting, that there is any measure of surprise that BK is trying to nickel and dime America.  I mean, you are aware of the ingredients in the "food"?  

Hormones and nitrates and sugars and salts - should all indicate that the health and well-being of the consumer is, indeed, a low priority and that profit is the King.  

$0.58  is nothing.  Ask your digestive track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this topic interesting, that there is any measure of surprise that BK is trying to nickel and dime America.  I mean, you are aware of the ingredients in the &#8220;food&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Hormones and nitrates and sugars and salts - should all indicate that the health and well-being of the consumer is, indeed, a low priority and that profit is the King.  </p>
<p>$0.58  is nothing.  Ask your digestive track.</p>
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		<title>By: Mayor McCheese</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265341</link>
		<dc:creator>Mayor McCheese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Jarvis, have you ever noticed that sometimes - actually pretty often - the 30 oz. pasta sauce in the Kroger (Safeway, Publix, whatever) costs more than the 15 oz?  I think the technical marketing term is "Minor Fleecing of the Inattentive but Would-Be Frugal."  It's fairly pervasive and has been for awhile.  You really can't count on that 5000 oz. vat of Newman's Dressing from the warehouse club necessarily being the best value either...

In any case, previous posters are right - fast food is crap, and the staff underpaid/disposable/disrespected...oh, yeah, and generally R-E-S-E-N-T-F-U-L, so their nonresponsiveness to your indignation is probably the least of your (and my) worries when eating out on the cheap.   Welcome to the new economy!  Would you like some Cipro or an Immodium with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Jarvis, have you ever noticed that sometimes - actually pretty often - the 30 oz. pasta sauce in the Kroger (Safeway, Publix, whatever) costs more than the 15 oz?  I think the technical marketing term is &#8220;Minor Fleecing of the Inattentive but Would-Be Frugal.&#8221;  It&#8217;s fairly pervasive and has been for awhile.  You really can&#8217;t count on that 5000 oz. vat of Newman&#8217;s Dressing from the warehouse club necessarily being the best value either&#8230;</p>
<p>In any case, previous posters are right - fast food is crap, and the staff underpaid/disposable/disrespected&#8230;oh, yeah, and generally R-E-S-E-N-T-F-U-L, so their nonresponsiveness to your indignation is probably the least of your (and my) worries when eating out on the cheap.   Welcome to the new economy!  Would you like some Cipro or an Immodium with that?</p>
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		<title>By: The Publicserf</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265338</link>
		<dc:creator>The Publicserf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 02:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand Jeff's irritation.  More than once I've encountered the same thing and wondered, "What are you people thinking?"  Normally, if you buy more of something the unit cost stays the same, or goes down.  I can't think of a good reason for it to go up.  So the pricing thing is irritating.  And if you like burgers, and I do, it also seems silly that it's often a better deal to buy two singles instead of a double.  Where's the sense in that?

  On the other hand, more than once I've gotten fast food when the fries were apparently just classified as "old."  So instead of getting a small order they gave me a large one.  And the fries were fine, no complaints from me.  So, on balance, when it comes to fast food- I'm too fat and happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand Jeff&#8217;s irritation.  More than once I&#8217;ve encountered the same thing and wondered, &#8220;What are you people thinking?&#8221;  Normally, if you buy more of something the unit cost stays the same, or goes down.  I can&#8217;t think of a good reason for it to go up.  So the pricing thing is irritating.  And if you like burgers, and I do, it also seems silly that it&#8217;s often a better deal to buy two singles instead of a double.  Where&#8217;s the sense in that?</p>
<p>  On the other hand, more than once I&#8217;ve gotten fast food when the fries were apparently just classified as &#8220;old.&#8221;  So instead of getting a small order they gave me a large one.  And the fries were fine, no complaints from me.  So, on balance, when it comes to fast food- I&#8217;m too fat and happy.</p>
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		<title>By: MDD</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265314</link>
		<dc:creator>MDD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever heard the term "pricing may vary"?  You went to multiple BK's to check this?  Sorry, but you are an idiot. I feel no pity for your loss of $.58.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever heard the term &#8220;pricing may vary&#8221;?  You went to multiple BK&#8217;s to check this?  Sorry, but you are an idiot. I feel no pity for your loss of $.58.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/02/bk-hell/#comment-265265</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dylan and MDD.
It is not difficult to calculate the price before you order. 
Now you know "and knowing is half the battl."

If your concern is the principle of fair pricing of Burger King chicken, God save the poor chickens that had an utterly inhumane existence to provide you a meal for $2.29.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dylan and MDD.<br />
It is not difficult to calculate the price before you order.<br />
Now you know &#8220;and knowing is half the battl.&#8221;</p>
<p>If your concern is the principle of fair pricing of Burger King chicken, God save the poor chickens that had an utterly inhumane existence to provide you a meal for $2.29.</p>
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