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		<title>By: purple motes &#187; challenges for citizen journalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>purple motes &#187; challenges for citizen journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carson Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/07/newsday-op-ed-news-served-raw/#comment-272220</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a weak but not irrelevant analogy ("in the small," as they say) re "is there still a place for professional journalists," a friend of ours is a professional photographer.  When high-quality digital cameras fell to the price range that allowed a lot of the general public to buy them, there was a short time during which many photographers worried that with good lighting and Photoshop software and the ability to shoot thousands of shot to get just the right one, a lot of companies would start using "locals" (employees already on the payroll who were not as expensive as professionals) to shoot their catalog pictures or the company paper photos or the annual report photography; likewise, weddings, Bar Mitzvahs, christenings, etc.

According to my friend, what has happened differs from the prediction of wide-spread "citizen photo-journalism."  It (citizen photography) is certainly wide-spread, but its effects were less dramatic:  it drove poorer-quality professionals from the business because the general public not only had more options but were better educated from having tried to use the fancier equipment; it upped the "bar" for professionals because they didn't get work just because they had expensive equipment irrespective of their talent or work ethic or pricing; it adjusted pricing a bit since there were a new group of competitors ("my brother has a great camera and takes a lot of pictures").  

But, according to my friend, there was another effect that has really helped his business grow, and that is the fact that a significant portion of the market has tried the new equipment, tried using the "locals" already on payroll and these people have discoved that equipment is not the difference -- great professionals have a skill that is not widely available in the general public.  As a result, this portion of the general market place has a great appreciation for his ability, values more highly the fact that it isn't just a matter of getting fancy equipment, and they are more willing to pay for this quality than before.  His business has actually increased, partly due to lower-quality (lower-priced) photographers being eliminated from the market and partly due to the fact that he is more than just the owner of great equipment.

Similarly, low-quality journalism that existed (for pay) in the past simply because they had the equipment, will continue to be eliminated from the market-place and high-quality journalists will be appreciated more as it becomes clearer that even though I have the option to read from 1000 times more writers on the web, it has made me realize what a truly gimlet eye is possessed by some journalists -- the availability of raw news and many commentators has increased my appreciation for the skills of the truly gifted.

Thanks for your continuing commentary on these areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a weak but not irrelevant analogy (&#8221;in the small,&#8221; as they say) re &#8220;is there still a place for professional journalists,&#8221; a friend of ours is a professional photographer.  When high-quality digital cameras fell to the price range that allowed a lot of the general public to buy them, there was a short time during which many photographers worried that with good lighting and Photoshop software and the ability to shoot thousands of shot to get just the right one, a lot of companies would start using &#8220;locals&#8221; (employees already on the payroll who were not as expensive as professionals) to shoot their catalog pictures or the company paper photos or the annual report photography; likewise, weddings, Bar Mitzvahs, christenings, etc.</p>
<p>According to my friend, what has happened differs from the prediction of wide-spread &#8220;citizen photo-journalism.&#8221;  It (citizen photography) is certainly wide-spread, but its effects were less dramatic:  it drove poorer-quality professionals from the business because the general public not only had more options but were better educated from having tried to use the fancier equipment; it upped the &#8220;bar&#8221; for professionals because they didn&#8217;t get work just because they had expensive equipment irrespective of their talent or work ethic or pricing; it adjusted pricing a bit since there were a new group of competitors (&#8221;my brother has a great camera and takes a lot of pictures&#8221;).  </p>
<p>But, according to my friend, there was another effect that has really helped his business grow, and that is the fact that a significant portion of the market has tried the new equipment, tried using the &#8220;locals&#8221; already on payroll and these people have discoved that equipment is not the difference &#8212; great professionals have a skill that is not widely available in the general public.  As a result, this portion of the general market place has a great appreciation for his ability, values more highly the fact that it isn&#8217;t just a matter of getting fancy equipment, and they are more willing to pay for this quality than before.  His business has actually increased, partly due to lower-quality (lower-priced) photographers being eliminated from the market and partly due to the fact that he is more than just the owner of great equipment.</p>
<p>Similarly, low-quality journalism that existed (for pay) in the past simply because they had the equipment, will continue to be eliminated from the market-place and high-quality journalists will be appreciated more as it becomes clearer that even though I have the option to read from 1000 times more writers on the web, it has made me realize what a truly gimlet eye is possessed by some journalists &#8212; the availability of raw news and many commentators has increased my appreciation for the skills of the truly gifted.</p>
<p>Thanks for your continuing commentary on these areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Paw</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/07/newsday-op-ed-news-served-raw/#comment-271248</link>
		<dc:creator>Paw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will there be no discussion at all of prurient interests here?  Does anyone truly believe that any of the millions that viewed the Youtube version of the Sadaam hanging did so for any reason other than the vicarious thrill of witnessing a person being killed, live on camera?  No one really thinks this was viewed as a learning experience, do you?  If this is your version of "news served raw", I want no part of it, thanks.  Do you really believe a supporter of the war will experience a revelation once he/she sees a video of an American soldier with his head blown off?  And since parents can't even be bothered to learn how to work their TV V-chips, how vigilent do you think they will be (or are) on the web in this context, relative to the availability of ugly graphic videos you consider "news"?

Your definition also opens up a huge Pandora's Box, since by your own admission, any ugly, vile or disgusting act captured on video, audio or text can be considered "news served raw".  Kiddie porn is certainly a newsworthy topic in 2007 America, given its widespread availability on the net.  Would graphic video depictions of kiddie porn on a free website fit your definition of "news served raw"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will there be no discussion at all of prurient interests here?  Does anyone truly believe that any of the millions that viewed the Youtube version of the Sadaam hanging did so for any reason other than the vicarious thrill of witnessing a person being killed, live on camera?  No one really thinks this was viewed as a learning experience, do you?  If this is your version of &#8220;news served raw&#8221;, I want no part of it, thanks.  Do you really believe a supporter of the war will experience a revelation once he/she sees a video of an American soldier with his head blown off?  And since parents can&#8217;t even be bothered to learn how to work their TV V-chips, how vigilent do you think they will be (or are) on the web in this context, relative to the availability of ugly graphic videos you consider &#8220;news&#8221;?</p>
<p>Your definition also opens up a huge Pandora&#8217;s Box, since by your own admission, any ugly, vile or disgusting act captured on video, audio or text can be considered &#8220;news served raw&#8221;.  Kiddie porn is certainly a newsworthy topic in 2007 America, given its widespread availability on the net.  Would graphic video depictions of kiddie porn on a free website fit your definition of &#8220;news served raw&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Weblogg-ed &#187; The Privacy Thing/Public Executions</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/07/newsday-op-ed-news-served-raw/#comment-270865</link>
		<dc:creator>Weblogg-ed &#187; The Privacy Thing/Public Executions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And of course, the big irony was that the last 40 minutes of the 20/20 episode was pre-empted by the news of the execution, the video of which has been watch over 1.3 million times on YouTube to date. I debated whether to watch it, but in the end chose to do so if for no other reason but to simply contextualize the discussion about it. I wonder if it&#8217;s horror is lost on some of our kids, however, who are so used to seeing public deaths played out over and over. And I wonder what all of this means in terms of the implications for teaching them how to navigate what Jeff calls on his blog, &#8220;the age of news served raw.&#8221; It goes back to every one of our students need to be editors first. The complex thinking needed to understand and really &#8220;edit&#8221; that video is not something you can find in a textbook.&#160; It involves understanding not just how it was produced and how it was distributed, but the political realities surrounding it, the motives of those who captured it, the different cultural responses to it, and, in the end, the ability to respond accordingly. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And of course, the big irony was that the last 40 minutes of the 20/20 episode was pre-empted by the news of the execution, the video of which has been watch over 1.3 million times on YouTube to date. I debated whether to watch it, but in the end chose to do so if for no other reason but to simply contextualize the discussion about it. I wonder if it&#8217;s horror is lost on some of our kids, however, who are so used to seeing public deaths played out over and over. And I wonder what all of this means in terms of the implications for teaching them how to navigate what Jeff calls on his blog, &#8220;the age of news served raw.&#8221; It goes back to every one of our students need to be editors first. The complex thinking needed to understand and really &#8220;edit&#8221; that video is not something you can find in a textbook.&nbsp; It involves understanding not just how it was produced and how it was distributed, but the political realities surrounding it, the motives of those who captured it, the different cultural responses to it, and, in the end, the ability to respond accordingly. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sonitus.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Newsday op-ed: News served raw</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonitus.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Newsday op-ed: News served raw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: flashman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/07/newsday-op-ed-news-served-raw/#comment-270334</link>
		<dc:creator>flashman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 05:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "raw news" is often like an optical illusion - &lt;a href="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/YoungGirl-OldWomanIllusion.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;now a young woman, now an old woman&lt;/a&gt; - depending on its context. Even sources such as the Saddam video come with framing and perspective. One traditional role of journalism is to decide whether the picture contains the young or old woman, for those of us who are inexpert in doing so.

It is good for journalism as a whole to have the raw news available to the public. It makes the profession more rigorous and competitive. Raw news is a fact and it's not going away, but we are still going to need dedicated experts to explain and contextualise the news. Simple specialization of labour, that's all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;raw news&#8221; is often like an optical illusion - <a href="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/YoungGirl-OldWomanIllusion.html" rel="nofollow">now a young woman, now an old woman</a> - depending on its context. Even sources such as the Saddam video come with framing and perspective. One traditional role of journalism is to decide whether the picture contains the young or old woman, for those of us who are inexpert in doing so.</p>
<p>It is good for journalism as a whole to have the raw news available to the public. It makes the profession more rigorous and competitive. Raw news is a fact and it&#8217;s not going away, but we are still going to need dedicated experts to explain and contextualise the news. Simple specialization of labour, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Hasan Jafri</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/07/newsday-op-ed-news-served-raw/#comment-270151</link>
		<dc:creator>Hasan Jafri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 01:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new rule is obvious: Fewer filters equal more news. This turns the news economy on its head. It used to be the opposite. The greater the number of filters -- foreign correspondents, clackety-clack telex machines or inky-fingered copy editors -- put on a story the better. It ADDED value. No more. The humble cel phone equipped with a lens changed all that, and Saddam's execution is only one example of the new definition of "news."

All this journalistic self-congratulation over how wonderful we are will last another year or two at the most.  Mr. Jenkin's "disciplined, rule-bound, edited news gatherer" is dead. He was  a cog in an old production process. Like air tubes and linotype machines, objectivity, the two sources rule and allied reporting styles were employed because they were a good way of doing business. They made newsrooms more efficient. That is no longer true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new rule is obvious: Fewer filters equal more news. This turns the news economy on its head. It used to be the opposite. The greater the number of filters &#8212; foreign correspondents, clackety-clack telex machines or inky-fingered copy editors &#8212; put on a story the better. It ADDED value. No more. The humble cel phone equipped with a lens changed all that, and Saddam&#8217;s execution is only one example of the new definition of &#8220;news.&#8221;</p>
<p>All this journalistic self-congratulation over how wonderful we are will last another year or two at the most.  Mr. Jenkin&#8217;s &#8220;disciplined, rule-bound, edited news gatherer&#8221; is dead. He was  a cog in an old production process. Like air tubes and linotype machines, objectivity, the two sources rule and allied reporting styles were employed because they were a good way of doing business. They made newsrooms more efficient. That is no longer true.</p>
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		<title>By: MediaBlog &#187; Saddam: welkom bij Snuff Media</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/07/newsday-op-ed-news-served-raw/#comment-269885</link>
		<dc:creator>MediaBlog &#187; Saddam: welkom bij Snuff Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Van een orde is the long tail van het exibitionisme. Niets zo onterend, niets zo perfide, niets zo pervers of er is ergens op de wereld wel iemand die het laat zien. Dankzij voortreffelijke zoekmachines is alles te vinden, hoe nauw de niche ook is. We leven in tijden van rauw nieuws, zegt commentator Jeff Jarvis. Het is wat nieuwe consumenten willen: het echte leven, authentieke beelden. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Van een orde is the long tail van het exibitionisme. Niets zo onterend, niets zo perfide, niets zo pervers of er is ergens op de wereld wel iemand die het laat zien. Dankzij voortreffelijke zoekmachines is alles te vinden, hoe nauw de niche ook is. We leven in tijden van rauw nieuws, zegt commentator Jeff Jarvis. Het is wat nieuwe consumenten willen: het echte leven, authentieke beelden. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: De nieuwe reporter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Saddam: welkom bij Snuff Media</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/07/newsday-op-ed-news-served-raw/#comment-269884</link>
		<dc:creator>De nieuwe reporter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Saddam: welkom bij Snuff Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Van een orde is the long tail van het exibitionisme. Niets zo onterend, niets zo perfide, niets zo pervers of er is ergens op de wereld wel iemand die het laat zien. Dankzij voortreffelijke zoekmachines is alles te vinden, hoe nauw de niche ook is. We leven in tijden van rauw nieuws, zegt commentator Jeff Jarvis. Het is wat nieuwe consumenten willen: het echte leven, authentieke beelden. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Van een orde is the long tail van het exibitionisme. Niets zo onterend, niets zo perfide, niets zo pervers of er is ergens op de wereld wel iemand die het laat zien. Dankzij voortreffelijke zoekmachines is alles te vinden, hoe nauw de niche ook is. We leven in tijden van rauw nieuws, zegt commentator Jeff Jarvis. Het is wat nieuwe consumenten willen: het echte leven, authentieke beelden. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Grayson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/07/newsday-op-ed-news-served-raw/#comment-269726</link>
		<dc:creator>Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a loss to figure out how someone who claims such grand (grandiose?) experience in MSM can write such a piece and not once mention the P (propaganda) word? 

I wonder how many of the folks traveling with the White House honestly think of themselves as real journalists? Likely every last one of 'em, but the image, burned into my small mind at least, of President Bush speaking to the nation in front of New Orleans' Jackson Square just after Katrina, all lit up like he was at freakin' Disney World, makes me think of a White House press corps made up not of journalists, but of lighting grips and propagandizers. And we haven't even touched on the entire Mission Accomplished "set piece." 

"So journalists are no longer here to sanitize the news for our protection." Sure, and I'm Emma Goldman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a loss to figure out how someone who claims such grand (grandiose?) experience in MSM can write such a piece and not once mention the P (propaganda) word? </p>
<p>I wonder how many of the folks traveling with the White House honestly think of themselves as real journalists? Likely every last one of &#8216;em, but the image, burned into my small mind at least, of President Bush speaking to the nation in front of New Orleans&#8217; Jackson Square just after Katrina, all lit up like he was at freakin&#8217; Disney World, makes me think of a White House press corps made up not of journalists, but of lighting grips and propagandizers. And we haven&#8217;t even touched on the entire Mission Accomplished &#8220;set piece.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;So journalists are no longer here to sanitize the news for our protection.&#8221; Sure, and I&#8217;m Emma Goldman.</p>
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