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		<title>By: SassaFrassin.com &#187; Damned Dangerous Fools</title>
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		<dc:creator>SassaFrassin.com &#187; Damned Dangerous Fools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-279978</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved this post. You understand media very well, so you can easily see through Free Press&#039; demagoguery to their real agenda: fostering fear and paranoia while anointing itself as the necessary watchdog to prevent media from straying from their traditional modes of ownership, control, and regulation. Many of your readers have drunk the anti-capitalist Kool-Aid Free Press (the sponsor of the conference) is selling. Kudos.

Now you should find it more than a little interesting that the demagogues who demand more government control over the media - Copps, Kucinich, and Moyers - are also demanding more government control over the Internet through the idiocy of &quot;net neutrality&quot;. They&#039;ve concocted a fictitious history for the Internet to support this program, and a bizarre narrative of Telco conspiracy, erosion of first amendment rights, and fanciful theories of network operation. 

The net neutrality program offends me for the same reasons the media control program offends you: I&#039;m an engineer who understands how it&#039;s actually put together and what it&#039;s going to take to grow the infrastructure to the point that the Internet really can challenge traditional media. 

Keep criticizing, and I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll ultimately make the connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this post. You understand media very well, so you can easily see through Free Press&#8217; demagoguery to their real agenda: fostering fear and paranoia while anointing itself as the necessary watchdog to prevent media from straying from their traditional modes of ownership, control, and regulation. Many of your readers have drunk the anti-capitalist Kool-Aid Free Press (the sponsor of the conference) is selling. Kudos.</p>
<p>Now you should find it more than a little interesting that the demagogues who demand more government control over the media &#8211; Copps, Kucinich, and Moyers &#8211; are also demanding more government control over the Internet through the idiocy of &#8220;net neutrality&#8221;. They&#8217;ve concocted a fictitious history for the Internet to support this program, and a bizarre narrative of Telco conspiracy, erosion of first amendment rights, and fanciful theories of network operation. </p>
<p>The net neutrality program offends me for the same reasons the media control program offends you: I&#8217;m an engineer who understands how it&#8217;s actually put together and what it&#8217;s going to take to grow the infrastructure to the point that the Internet really can challenge traditional media. </p>
<p>Keep criticizing, and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll ultimately make the connection.</p>
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		<title>By: newscoma</title>
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		<dc:creator>newscoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you are saying, however I feel like the comment you made was dismissive. I agree with you about challenging notions and coming out stronger with more information.
And yet ...
I think there has been very little dialogue of this nature and it was validating. Deregulation has created large corporate media where dialogue about certain news coverage (Iraq as an example) has only shown one side many times.
Of course this is my opinion.
We can agree that there was some shrillness at the conference, I&#039;m not denying that and I would have liked to have seen some views from a conservative perspective and it is a shame that the conference was partisan.
At least the conference created some conversation and that is good.
And maybe that will create a positive base for growth that combines a middle ground where everyone wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you are saying, however I feel like the comment you made was dismissive. I agree with you about challenging notions and coming out stronger with more information.<br />
And yet &#8230;<br />
I think there has been very little dialogue of this nature and it was validating. Deregulation has created large corporate media where dialogue about certain news coverage (Iraq as an example) has only shown one side many times.<br />
Of course this is my opinion.<br />
We can agree that there was some shrillness at the conference, I&#8217;m not denying that and I would have liked to have seen some views from a conservative perspective and it is a shame that the conference was partisan.<br />
At least the conference created some conversation and that is good.<br />
And maybe that will create a positive base for growth that combines a middle ground where everyone wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newscoma, 
Sorry if you take offense at one little &#039;whew.&#039; But it wasn&#039;t just the californianication I was reacting to but, as I said above, the notion of validation. Rather than looking for validation of what we already believe, isn&#039;t it better to challenge those notions and come out stronger in our knowledge? That, as I said above, is my problem with the agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newscoma,<br />
Sorry if you take offense at one little &#8216;whew.&#8217; But it wasn&#8217;t just the californianication I was reacting to but, as I said above, the notion of validation. Rather than looking for validation of what we already believe, isn&#8217;t it better to challenge those notions and come out stronger in our knowledge? That, as I said above, is my problem with the agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Home, Jarvis And Mucho Appreciation &#171; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Home, Jarvis And Mucho Appreciation &#171; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oh yeah, go here and see me made fun of. Ironically, I don&#8217;t get the advantage of going on CNN as a regular speaker and hired as a pundit (which you have done) to express my opinion, when you Mr. Jarvis didn&#8217;t even show up at the conference but are still filled with opinion about my statement on a blog which is a little fish in the big pond. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Oh yeah, go here and see me made fun of. Ironically, I don&#8217;t get the advantage of going on CNN as a regular speaker and hired as a pundit (which you have done) to express my opinion, when you Mr. Jarvis didn&#8217;t even show up at the conference but are still filled with opinion about my statement on a blog which is a little fish in the big pond. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: newscoma</title>
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		<dc:creator>newscoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, being that you made fun of me for my enthusiasm, I feel I must respond.
We would have loved to have you at the conference, even if you expressed discontent.
But on the other hand, as a person who runs a small media outlet and doesn&#039;t have access to appear on larger news outlets(CNN, is that the picture on your  icon? or Fox?) this conference was a breathe of fresh air as I stated before when you made fun of me with your &quot;Whew&quot; statement. 
Mr. Jarvis, as a large market person, don&#039;t pick on the little guy when you weren&#039;t there. 
And that little guy was me, so I take it quite personally.
Ironically, I have found you to be a leader in the past for digital media rights as well as a sanctuary for people who don&#039;t have the option  to voice their opinions on corporate media outlets.
Please continue the good fight for all of us who don&#039;t have the options you have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, being that you made fun of me for my enthusiasm, I feel I must respond.<br />
We would have loved to have you at the conference, even if you expressed discontent.<br />
But on the other hand, as a person who runs a small media outlet and doesn&#8217;t have access to appear on larger news outlets(CNN, is that the picture on your  icon? or Fox?) this conference was a breathe of fresh air as I stated before when you made fun of me with your &#8220;Whew&#8221; statement.<br />
Mr. Jarvis, as a large market person, don&#8217;t pick on the little guy when you weren&#8217;t there.<br />
And that little guy was me, so I take it quite personally.<br />
Ironically, I have found you to be a leader in the past for digital media rights as well as a sanctuary for people who don&#8217;t have the option  to voice their opinions on corporate media outlets.<br />
Please continue the good fight for all of us who don&#8217;t have the options you have.</p>
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		<title>By: netZoo &#187; Nat&#8217;l Conference for Media Reform w/ Bill Moyers Video</title>
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		<dc:creator>netZoo &#187; Nat&#8217;l Conference for Media Reform w/ Bill Moyers Video</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-279002</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Staten Island guy:
Two disagreements with your basically libertarian point of view.

1. At some point in the history of the UK the publicly elected representatives decided that the BBC would be established and funded via a tax. That is, it was a &lt;b&gt;democratic&lt;/b&gt; decision. Now democratic decisions always leave a certain percentage of the population unhappy with the choices. This is just how democracies work. One doesn&#039;t get to pick and chose which parts of society to participate in.

2. Even in the US you pay mandatory taxes, for example on your automobile. Just like in the UK you won&#039;t pay the tax if you don&#039;t own the item, so there is nothing special about the TV tax as a concept. I don&#039;t know whether the auto use tax is dedicated to a specific fund or not but this is a minor issue. The gasoline tax is supposed to go for road maintenance.

Libertarians feel that taxation is a form of theft, that is their right, but it is such an unworkable model for a modern society that there has never been a state based upon libertarian ideas. That&#039;s why it remains a form of Utopianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Staten Island guy:<br />
Two disagreements with your basically libertarian point of view.</p>
<p>1. At some point in the history of the UK the publicly elected representatives decided that the BBC would be established and funded via a tax. That is, it was a <b>democratic</b> decision. Now democratic decisions always leave a certain percentage of the population unhappy with the choices. This is just how democracies work. One doesn&#8217;t get to pick and chose which parts of society to participate in.</p>
<p>2. Even in the US you pay mandatory taxes, for example on your automobile. Just like in the UK you won&#8217;t pay the tax if you don&#8217;t own the item, so there is nothing special about the TV tax as a concept. I don&#8217;t know whether the auto use tax is dedicated to a specific fund or not but this is a minor issue. The gasoline tax is supposed to go for road maintenance.</p>
<p>Libertarians feel that taxation is a form of theft, that is their right, but it is such an unworkable model for a modern society that there has never been a state based upon libertarian ideas. That&#8217;s why it remains a form of Utopianism.</p>
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		<title>By: Staten Island guy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-278897</link>
		<dc:creator>Staten Island guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC is a bad example. They receive their funding, literally, under threat of arrest to any who refuse to hand over the dough. If you own a TV you &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt;  pay for their continued operation, whether or not you ever view or listen to a product they produce. It&#039;s &quot;legally&quot;--which is inherently &lt;i&gt;politically&lt;/i&gt;-- mandated that British citizens must support the BBC. Though treated as independent, when said citizens complain about the BBC&#039;s political leanings, the UK government claims they have no control over the content, but they still insist that citizens have to fork over the pounds that keeps the BBC operating.

Over the air networks such as ABC, NBC and so forth, whether television or radio, do not force anyone to underwrite them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC is a bad example. They receive their funding, literally, under threat of arrest to any who refuse to hand over the dough. If you own a TV you <i>must</i>  pay for their continued operation, whether or not you ever view or listen to a product they produce. It&#8217;s &#8220;legally&#8221;&#8211;which is inherently <i>politically</i>&#8211; mandated that British citizens must support the BBC. Though treated as independent, when said citizens complain about the BBC&#8217;s political leanings, the UK government claims they have no control over the content, but they still insist that citizens have to fork over the pounds that keeps the BBC operating.</p>
<p>Over the air networks such as ABC, NBC and so forth, whether television or radio, do not force anyone to underwrite them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-278742</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
Thanks for the list. I read the transcripts I could find last night to write this post. I&#039;ll look up some of these. 
But I have to ask: Was there any debate there? Or was this a bit of an echo chamber? In your list, I don&#039;t see a single representative of the demonized big-media companies to explain perhaps the reality of the media business today and the pressures that will drive many of them out of the businesses that many of the participants hold dear. 
A debate, I would eagerly attend. 
But -- in the words of Newscoma, quoted and responding above -- I don&#039;t see the need to go watch those &quot;really feel validated for the feelings Iâ€™ve had for the last few years.&quot;
It&#039;s not as simple as that. 
Making media into boogeymen plays into too many other agendas. I&#039;ll say it again: it&#039;s dangerous. 
And mind you, I don&#039;t work for big media boogeymen anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
Thanks for the list. I read the transcripts I could find last night to write this post. I&#8217;ll look up some of these.<br />
But I have to ask: Was there any debate there? Or was this a bit of an echo chamber? In your list, I don&#8217;t see a single representative of the demonized big-media companies to explain perhaps the reality of the media business today and the pressures that will drive many of them out of the businesses that many of the participants hold dear.<br />
A debate, I would eagerly attend.<br />
But &#8212; in the words of Newscoma, quoted and responding above &#8212; I don&#8217;t see the need to go watch those &#8220;really feel validated for the feelings Iâ€™ve had for the last few years.&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s not as simple as that.<br />
Making media into boogeymen plays into too many other agendas. I&#8217;ll say it again: it&#8217;s dangerous.<br />
And mind you, I don&#8217;t work for big media boogeymen anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-278700</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I agree you should have gone to the conference.

You should at least listen to some of the sessions.  Many are online already as mp3s and the rest will be posted soon

http://www.freepress.net/conference/=full_schedule07

Here are a few you might want to check out (perhaps you can listen to them on the plane to davos).  I edited a few of the speakers out since this is too long already (and  could have included many more - the complete list is at the link above)

&lt;b&gt;Citizen Journalism: Making an Impact in a New Media Landscape&lt;/b&gt; 

Moderator: Ellen Miller, Sunlight Foundation
Dan Gillmor, Center for Citizen Media
Chris Nolan, Spot-On.com
Jay Rosen, PressThink 

&lt;b&gt;From Computer Screens to the Streets: Activism in a Wired World&lt;/b&gt; 
	
Moderator: Ben Byrne, Free Press
Becky Bond, Working Assets 
Marty Kearns, Green Media Toolshed
Noah Winer, MoveOn.org Civic Action
	
&lt;b&gt;Saving the Internet&lt;/b&gt;
 
Moderator: Frannie Wellings, Free Press
Matt Stoller, MyDD.com
Tim Wu, Columbia University
Adam Green, MoveOn.org Civic Action
Azlan White, SavetheInternet.com member

&lt;b&gt;Payola: Radio, Records, and the FCC&lt;/b&gt;
 
Moderator: Jared Ball, FreeMix Radio
Paul Porter, Industry Ears
Michael Bracy, Future of Music Coalition 
Jonathan Adelstein, FCC Commissioner

&lt;b&gt;Quality Journalists = Quality Journalism&lt;/b&gt; 

Moderator: Linda Foley, The Newspaper Guild
Linda Moore, Memphis Commercial Appeal 
Debbie Goldman, The Newspaper Guild 
Jeff Gordon, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
  
&lt;b&gt;Faith Communities &amp; Media Reform &lt;/b&gt;
	
Moderator: Rev. Robert Chase, United Church of Christ
Katherine Grincewhich, US Conference of Catholic Bishops
Rima Meroueh, Media Empowerment Project
Rev. L. LaSimba M. Gray Jr., New Sardis Baptist Church</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I agree you should have gone to the conference.</p>
<p>You should at least listen to some of the sessions.  Many are online already as mp3s and the rest will be posted soon</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freepress.net/conference/=full_schedule07" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepress.net/conference/=full_schedule07</a></p>
<p>Here are a few you might want to check out (perhaps you can listen to them on the plane to davos).  I edited a few of the speakers out since this is too long already (and  could have included many more &#8211; the complete list is at the link above)</p>
<p><b>Citizen Journalism: Making an Impact in a New Media Landscape</b> </p>
<p>Moderator: Ellen Miller, Sunlight Foundation<br />
Dan Gillmor, Center for Citizen Media<br />
Chris Nolan, Spot-On.com<br />
Jay Rosen, PressThink </p>
<p><b>From Computer Screens to the Streets: Activism in a Wired World</b> </p>
<p>Moderator: Ben Byrne, Free Press<br />
Becky Bond, Working Assets<br />
Marty Kearns, Green Media Toolshed<br />
Noah Winer, MoveOn.org Civic Action</p>
<p><b>Saving the Internet</b></p>
<p>Moderator: Frannie Wellings, Free Press<br />
Matt Stoller, MyDD.com<br />
Tim Wu, Columbia University<br />
Adam Green, MoveOn.org Civic Action<br />
Azlan White, SavetheInternet.com member</p>
<p><b>Payola: Radio, Records, and the FCC</b></p>
<p>Moderator: Jared Ball, FreeMix Radio<br />
Paul Porter, Industry Ears<br />
Michael Bracy, Future of Music Coalition<br />
Jonathan Adelstein, FCC Commissioner</p>
<p><b>Quality Journalists = Quality Journalism</b> </p>
<p>Moderator: Linda Foley, The Newspaper Guild<br />
Linda Moore, Memphis Commercial Appeal<br />
Debbie Goldman, The Newspaper Guild<br />
Jeff Gordon, St. Louis Post-Dispatch</p>
<p><b>Faith Communities &amp; Media Reform </b></p>
<p>Moderator: Rev. Robert Chase, United Church of Christ<br />
Katherine Grincewhich, US Conference of Catholic Bishops<br />
Rima Meroueh, Media Empowerment Project<br />
Rev. L. LaSimba M. Gray Jr., New Sardis Baptist Church</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-278565</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff Schmidt:

We have a mixed model. The &quot;public&quot; space is the broadcast spectrum which is loosely control by the government. We have a private space in the pay sector (cable and satellite). As Howard Stern has shown one can do pretty much whatever one likes in this space.

We even have a &quot;public&quot; broadcast facility (NPR and PBS), but they suffer from a compromised setup. They are controlled by a quasi-government body (CPB), at least in part, and also beholding to corporate sponsors. As a consequence they are much less comprehensive than similar operations elsewhere. For example, the BBC is funded by a dedicated tax (on TV sets) and this insulates them better from direct government meddling.

We don&#039;t have a news operation like the BBC which is insulated from political pressure and as a consequence the range of news covered and the variety of viewpoints aired are more restricted here. Making even more of the offering subject to the interests of big business doesn&#039;t seem a good way to promote the kind of vigorous debate that should exist in a functioning democracy.

Eighty five percent of all media outlets in the US are controlled by a handful of firms (GE, News Corp, Time-Warner, Disney and Viacom). The situation in radio is much the same and in the music sector the number is now four.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Schmidt:</p>
<p>We have a mixed model. The &#8220;public&#8221; space is the broadcast spectrum which is loosely control by the government. We have a private space in the pay sector (cable and satellite). As Howard Stern has shown one can do pretty much whatever one likes in this space.</p>
<p>We even have a &#8220;public&#8221; broadcast facility (NPR and PBS), but they suffer from a compromised setup. They are controlled by a quasi-government body (CPB), at least in part, and also beholding to corporate sponsors. As a consequence they are much less comprehensive than similar operations elsewhere. For example, the BBC is funded by a dedicated tax (on TV sets) and this insulates them better from direct government meddling.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have a news operation like the BBC which is insulated from political pressure and as a consequence the range of news covered and the variety of viewpoints aired are more restricted here. Making even more of the offering subject to the interests of big business doesn&#8217;t seem a good way to promote the kind of vigorous debate that should exist in a functioning democracy.</p>
<p>Eighty five percent of all media outlets in the US are controlled by a handful of firms (GE, News Corp, Time-Warner, Disney and Viacom). The situation in radio is much the same and in the music sector the number is now four.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-278179</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like you can&#039;t organize a 50 vehicle Hummer race thru the terrain of Public parks - you can&#039;t air/do anything you want with Public spectrum.  

That&#039;s the very nature of PUBLIC assets.  They&#039;re use is controlled by the offical proxy of the public - the government.   

If you don&#039;t want government interference - you should argue to privitize spectrum.  

But then you have to imagine Pat Robertson got together with Private Equity groups and bought it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like you can&#8217;t organize a 50 vehicle Hummer race thru the terrain of Public parks &#8211; you can&#8217;t air/do anything you want with Public spectrum.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the very nature of PUBLIC assets.  They&#8217;re use is controlled by the offical proxy of the public &#8211; the government.   </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want government interference &#8211; you should argue to privitize spectrum.  </p>
<p>But then you have to imagine Pat Robertson got together with Private Equity groups and bought it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-278083</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Nation&#039;s cover story (which quotes Jeff Jarvis) makes the claim that local newspapers still play a bigger role in things like local elections than people realize.

The loss of reporting staff weakens this function and is not a &quot;good thing&quot;. The internet may be a new avenue for social change (or at least discussion) but it is far from being a player equal to the traditional media&#039;s power.

Here&#039;s a link to the article:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070129/nichols</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nation&#8217;s cover story (which quotes Jeff Jarvis) makes the claim that local newspapers still play a bigger role in things like local elections than people realize.</p>
<p>The loss of reporting staff weakens this function and is not a &#8220;good thing&#8221;. The internet may be a new avenue for social change (or at least discussion) but it is far from being a player equal to the traditional media&#8217;s power.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to the article:<br />
<a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070129/nichols" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070129/nichols</a></p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-278043</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to laugh when I hear about fellow liberals like Moyers and Kucinich wasting their time on such issues. If there were no Internet, then having controls on media ownership would really mean something. But in the current media world, it is meaningless. The Internet is fast overtaking the networks. The bigger the network, the more vulnerable to attack. They would be better off clamouring for more consolidation, not less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to laugh when I hear about fellow liberals like Moyers and Kucinich wasting their time on such issues. If there were no Internet, then having controls on media ownership would really mean something. But in the current media world, it is meaningless. The Internet is fast overtaking the networks. The bigger the network, the more vulnerable to attack. They would be better off clamouring for more consolidation, not less.</p>
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		<title>By: newscoma</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-278024</link>
		<dc:creator>newscoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the person you &quot;Whew&quot; at, the conference was validating for many reasons and I wish you could have experienced it for yourself.
It was more complex than you stated here. With so much media owned by just a select few, the aspect of stifled voices was discussed. Think about it, 3500 people compared to millions watching Fox, CNN etc where regulations have been become non-existent where monopolies have been set in place.
Regulations suggested where ones taken away.  
When you see that people are going to jail (Josh Hunt comes to mind) you. I agree with Robert Feinman, a monopoly in media is not one I would think any journalist (or citizen for that matter) would want.
And it was awe-inspiring to see people discussing everyone&#039;s rights, including yours Mr. Jarvis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the person you &#8220;Whew&#8221; at, the conference was validating for many reasons and I wish you could have experienced it for yourself.<br />
It was more complex than you stated here. With so much media owned by just a select few, the aspect of stifled voices was discussed. Think about it, 3500 people compared to millions watching Fox, CNN etc where regulations have been become non-existent where monopolies have been set in place.<br />
Regulations suggested where ones taken away.<br />
When you see that people are going to jail (Josh Hunt comes to mind) you. I agree with Robert Feinman, a monopoly in media is not one I would think any journalist (or citizen for that matter) would want.<br />
And it was awe-inspiring to see people discussing everyone&#8217;s rights, including yours Mr. Jarvis.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-277994</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a difference between an effective shared monopoly in broadcasting and one in the toothpaste industry.

One can affect the way citizens view their society and determine the future direction of public policy and the other is still just toothpaste. What the left objects to is the present limits on the range of ideas presented by the broadcast media. We are seeing the consequences at the present time. Before the Iraqi invasion those opposed to the idea and those who wished to present counter evidence to the popular ideas (like WMD&#039;s and an Iraqi nuclear program) had almost no exposure.

This has continued until very recently when the reality of the progress of the occupation finally has caused some broadcasters to start taking a more critical look at the issues. A functioning democracy requires that citizens hear a range of opinions and as many facts as can be uncovered. This is why totalitarian regimes all have state-controlled media.

Allowing the broadcast media to also control print and cable outlets further restricts the range of material presented. At present only huge industrial concerns (like Fox, ABC and Murdoch) have the financial clout to play in this market. It will be a long time before the internet has enough reach to counter the effective media monopoly that now exists.

Jeff: as a libertarian you need to propose a realistic way for minority opinions to be heard when the present &quot;free market&quot; model is not working. Many mainstream economists like Joseph Stiglitz have modified their beliefs and come to realize that the &quot;invisible hand&quot; model is an unrealistic oversimplification. They now favor government control of markets. This means how markets operate, not what they sell (assuming its not fraudulent or dangerous).

The information market is no different, but at present is far from open. If you don&#039;t like the suggestions made at the conference what do you suggest instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a difference between an effective shared monopoly in broadcasting and one in the toothpaste industry.</p>
<p>One can affect the way citizens view their society and determine the future direction of public policy and the other is still just toothpaste. What the left objects to is the present limits on the range of ideas presented by the broadcast media. We are seeing the consequences at the present time. Before the Iraqi invasion those opposed to the idea and those who wished to present counter evidence to the popular ideas (like WMD&#8217;s and an Iraqi nuclear program) had almost no exposure.</p>
<p>This has continued until very recently when the reality of the progress of the occupation finally has caused some broadcasters to start taking a more critical look at the issues. A functioning democracy requires that citizens hear a range of opinions and as many facts as can be uncovered. This is why totalitarian regimes all have state-controlled media.</p>
<p>Allowing the broadcast media to also control print and cable outlets further restricts the range of material presented. At present only huge industrial concerns (like Fox, ABC and Murdoch) have the financial clout to play in this market. It will be a long time before the internet has enough reach to counter the effective media monopoly that now exists.</p>
<p>Jeff: as a libertarian you need to propose a realistic way for minority opinions to be heard when the present &#8220;free market&#8221; model is not working. Many mainstream economists like Joseph Stiglitz have modified their beliefs and come to realize that the &#8220;invisible hand&#8221; model is an unrealistic oversimplification. They now favor government control of markets. This means how markets operate, not what they sell (assuming its not fraudulent or dangerous).</p>
<p>The information market is no different, but at present is far from open. If you don&#8217;t like the suggestions made at the conference what do you suggest instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Long</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-277875</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Love that you dropped the f-bomb!! Grrr!! I agree with your assertion that regulation will neither shore up old media nor make it better. But I also think that without net neutrality, big media will merely shift their operations online and quash the blossoming voices there.    

Media reform is happening as we speak.  It&#039;s just people like you and thousands of others who are making it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Love that you dropped the f-bomb!! Grrr!! I agree with your assertion that regulation will neither shore up old media nor make it better. But I also think that without net neutrality, big media will merely shift their operations online and quash the blossoming voices there.    </p>
<p>Media reform is happening as we speak.  It&#8217;s just people like you and thousands of others who are making it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-277586</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regular reader, first-time commenter.

Jeff,

First of all, I was actually looking for you at the conference.  I thought you would be here.  One of the main topics discussed this weekend was the importance of protecting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/04/22/save-the-internet-indeed/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;net neutrality&lt;/a&gt;.  You also probably would have enjoyed the panels on citizen journalism and social networking.  Hell, you should have been on them.  

Your analysis is usually astute and and poignant but that is not the case here.  The main point that you seem to be mistaken on here is the nature of the regulation in question.  The only regulation that was advocated at the conference was in terms of ownership.  No one here is suggesting that the FCC regulate the content of protected speech.  What we have an issue with was the attempt by the FCC to deregulate media ownership to the point where one company could own three television stations, eight radio stations and the only newspaper in any given market.  That kind of monopoly on the means of content distribution is unprecedented and not conducive to promoting a well-informed public.

Aside from this misunderstanding your distaste for this conference seems to be due to the fact that you view media reform in a different context than those in attendance.  You, as someone who is primarily interested in the business of media, see media reform as a means to making the industry more profitable.  Most of the people attending the conference, as people who are activists or are interested in politics, see media reform as a means to that end.  Getting into the specific politics of it here is fruitless but I think you see my point.

I anticipate your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regular reader, first-time commenter.</p>
<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>First of all, I was actually looking for you at the conference.  I thought you would be here.  One of the main topics discussed this weekend was the importance of protecting <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/04/22/save-the-internet-indeed/" rel="nofollow">net neutrality</a>.  You also probably would have enjoyed the panels on citizen journalism and social networking.  Hell, you should have been on them.  </p>
<p>Your analysis is usually astute and and poignant but that is not the case here.  The main point that you seem to be mistaken on here is the nature of the regulation in question.  The only regulation that was advocated at the conference was in terms of ownership.  No one here is suggesting that the FCC regulate the content of protected speech.  What we have an issue with was the attempt by the FCC to deregulate media ownership to the point where one company could own three television stations, eight radio stations and the only newspaper in any given market.  That kind of monopoly on the means of content distribution is unprecedented and not conducive to promoting a well-informed public.</p>
<p>Aside from this misunderstanding your distaste for this conference seems to be due to the fact that you view media reform in a different context than those in attendance.  You, as someone who is primarily interested in the business of media, see media reform as a means to making the industry more profitable.  Most of the people attending the conference, as people who are activists or are interested in politics, see media reform as a means to that end.  Getting into the specific politics of it here is fruitless but I think you see my point.</p>
<p>I anticipate your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-277484</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you are correct on all points. 

But I suspect that Copps and Kucinich are so out of touch with reality that they constitute less of a threat than they appear to be. 

And you are right about consolidation. We need more, not less in the traditional media sectors. But with Fox/MySpace, Google/YouTube, Verizon Fios, ATT/BellSouth, the consolidation that matters seems to be pretty uninhibited. 

Not that we don&#039;t have something to fear from an utterly stupid government. And not that allowing consolidation in the older medias wouldn&#039;t save a lot of jobs. 

But faith in the market to beat back dumb regulation still seems like a good bet (the 1996 Telecom Bill and its decedents being a notable exception).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you are correct on all points. </p>
<p>But I suspect that Copps and Kucinich are so out of touch with reality that they constitute less of a threat than they appear to be. </p>
<p>And you are right about consolidation. We need more, not less in the traditional media sectors. But with Fox/MySpace, Google/YouTube, Verizon Fios, ATT/BellSouth, the consolidation that matters seems to be pretty uninhibited. </p>
<p>Not that we don&#8217;t have something to fear from an utterly stupid government. And not that allowing consolidation in the older medias wouldn&#8217;t save a lot of jobs. </p>
<p>But faith in the market to beat back dumb regulation still seems like a good bet (the 1996 Telecom Bill and its decedents being a notable exception).</p>
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		<title>By: Duffer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-277441</link>
		<dc:creator>Duffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, well put.  Hope your comments get widely distributed.
I live close enough to Memphis to attend, and I didn&#039;t know anything about this until I read your blog.
My bad I guess.  I read two newspapers, watch network news, read a lot of media blogs... 
so I googled it and it seems the only newspaper covering this is the local paper.
USA Today focused on a report about the strength of media.

Anyway, I&#039;ll look forward to reading more about the boneheads that were invited to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, well put.  Hope your comments get widely distributed.<br />
I live close enough to Memphis to attend, and I didn&#8217;t know anything about this until I read your blog.<br />
My bad I guess.  I read two newspapers, watch network news, read a lot of media blogs&#8230;<br />
so I googled it and it seems the only newspaper covering this is the local paper.<br />
USA Today focused on a report about the strength of media.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ll look forward to reading more about the boneheads that were invited to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Hasan Jafri</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/01/13/media-boogeymen/#comment-277429</link>
		<dc:creator>Hasan Jafri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a &quot;Contract On American Media&quot; rather than &quot;for&quot; or &quot;with&quot; American media. Watching big media die is turning into the local variant of the phone-recorded Saddam execution.  Yuck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a &#8220;Contract On American Media&#8221; rather than &#8220;for&#8221; or &#8220;with&#8221; American media. Watching big media die is turning into the local variant of the phone-recorded Saddam execution.  Yuck!</p>
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