Comments on: The first punch in the first round http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/02/15/the-first-punch-in-the-first-round/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:40:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Crying uncle in the news business http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/02/15/the-first-punch-in-the-first-round/#comment-336041 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Crying uncle in the news business Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:56:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2503#comment-336041 [...] : See also the interactive-media blubbering that came out of the We Media conference where Ahean spoke, below. [...] [...] : See also the interactive-media blubbering that came out of the We Media conference where Ahean spoke, below. [...]

]]> By: howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » The revolution will be talked about http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/02/15/the-first-punch-in-the-first-round/#comment-334389 howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » The revolution will be talked about Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:24:31 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2503#comment-334389 [...] Rich Skrenta thinks its time to throw in the towel on “we media.” Jeff Jarvis disagrees. The problem is that the hopes that Dan Gillmor raised for the media industry in his book — which kicked off this whole business — have largely failed. . . .There is actually a media revolution in the works. So what’s going on here? By implicit definition, participatory media is non-commercial. If it’s commercial, someone owns it, and it’s not “we” anymore. There we disagree. That’s the problem with PayPerPost, not with commercially supported media, big or small. And we have not even begun to plumb the possibilities of commercially supported networks of small media. [...] [...] Rich Skrenta thinks its time to throw in the towel on “we media.” Jeff Jarvis disagrees. The problem is that the hopes that Dan Gillmor raised for the media industry in his book — which kicked off this whole business — have largely failed. . . .There is actually a media revolution in the works. So what’s going on here? By implicit definition, participatory media is non-commercial. If it’s commercial, someone owns it, and it’s not “we” anymore. There we disagree. That’s the problem with PayPerPost, not with commercially supported media, big or small. And we have not even begun to plumb the possibilities of commercially supported networks of small media. [...]

]]> By: Wordblog » Blog Archive » We media and the dragons’ den http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/02/15/the-first-punch-in-the-first-round/#comment-333142 Wordblog » Blog Archive » We media and the dragons’ den Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:41:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2503#comment-333142 [...] Jeff Jarvis thinks he is throwing in the towel too early just because people at the conference “couldn’t agree on how the various tribes of news can and should work together”. He approvingly quotes Richard Sambrook, who attended last year’s We Media but not last week’s. [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis thinks he is throwing in the towel too early just because people at the conference “couldn’t agree on how the various tribes of news can and should work together”. He approvingly quotes Richard Sambrook, who attended last year’s We Media but not last week’s. [...]

]]> By: The Zero Boss http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/02/15/the-first-punch-in-the-first-round/#comment-332194 The Zero Boss Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:43:17 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2503#comment-332194 <em>Businesses aren’t about ideology, they’re about getting a job done and earning revenue to keep the thing going.</em> Problem is, that's a big business approach to business. Most mini-news sources (e.g., blogs) are run as independent proprietorships where profit isn't the only driving factor. For many of us, it's not even THE driving factor. Businesses aren’t about ideology, they’re about getting a job done and earning revenue to keep the thing going.

Problem is, that’s a big business approach to business. Most mini-news sources (e.g., blogs) are run as independent proprietorships where profit isn’t the only driving factor. For many of us, it’s not even THE driving factor.

]]> By: CaptiousNut http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/02/15/the-first-punch-in-the-first-round/#comment-331876 CaptiousNut Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:13:03 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=2503#comment-331876 <em>And I’d argue that journalism has been driven by ideology — by the desire to make the society more open and the world a better place as a result.</em> Napoleon and Hitler thought they were "enhancing society" as well. Curiously enough, "enhancing society" is the NYT's self-declared core purpose. Jeff, you can judge <em>journalism</em> by its dissembling intentions, the rest of us will judge it on performance and quality metrics. And I’d argue that journalism has been driven by ideology — by the desire to make the society more open and the world a better place as a result.

Napoleon and Hitler thought they were “enhancing society” as well.

Curiously enough, “enhancing society” is the NYT’s self-declared core purpose.

Jeff, you can judge journalism by its dissembling intentions, the rest of us will judge it on performance and quality metrics.

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