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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; morning foo 02 - electric boogaloo - Morning Foo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/03/they-fiddle-while-papers-burn/#comment-349473</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; morning foo 02 - electric boogaloo - Morning Foo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] burn newspapers - legal primer from the eff (btw, IANAL: don&#8217;t take legal advice from us!) - hd-dvd drm explained - brick your player - kevin rose says &#8220;digg this&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Morning Foo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; morning foo 02 - electric boogaloo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morning Foo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; morning foo 02 - electric boogaloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 07:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] burn newspapers - legal primer from the eff (btw, IANAL: don&#8217;t take legal advice from us!) - hd-dvd drm explained - brick your player - kevin rose says &#8220;digg this&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The new interview &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/03/they-fiddle-while-papers-burn/#comment-348940</link>
		<dc:creator>The new interview &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wasnâ€™t until weeks later that I realized Jeff Jarvis referred to Jay Rosen as his friend. (Rosen was Foxâ€™s executive editor until a week after my phone conversation with Fox.) A talented [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wasnâ€™t until weeks later that I realized Jeff Jarvis referred to Jay Rosen as his friend. (Rosen was Foxâ€™s executive editor until a week after my phone conversation with Fox.) A talented [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rory O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff got it right again, IMHO. I blogged the Frontline series Feb 13 -- www.roryoconnor.org/blog/?p=234 -- and found it to be  "good news, bad news time again."

The good news is Frontline devoting an impressive four-and-a half hours of national prime time  to the overall subject of the â€œfuture of the news.â€
The bad news is that the series contains very little that is either new or news. Moreover, 'News War' is more about the war than about the news,as Jeff's headline story illustrates.

I really wanted to recommend this series and commend Frontline for putting so many resources behind it. But I simply couldn'tâ€“the programming obviously sounded like a good idea in its conception, but in execution itâ€™s actually just another missed opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff got it right again, IMHO. I blogged the Frontline series Feb 13 &#8212; <a href="http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/?p=234" rel="nofollow">http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/?p=234</a> &#8212; and found it to be  &#8220;good news, bad news time again.&#8221;</p>
<p>The good news is Frontline devoting an impressive four-and-a half hours of national prime time  to the overall subject of the â€œfuture of the news.â€<br />
The bad news is that the series contains very little that is either new or news. Moreover, &#8216;News War&#8217; is more about the war than about the news,as Jeff&#8217;s headline story illustrates.</p>
<p>I really wanted to recommend this series and commend Frontline for putting so many resources behind it. But I simply couldn&#8217;tâ€“the programming obviously sounded like a good idea in its conception, but in execution itâ€™s actually just another missed opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading about a guy who made drive-in movies in the 70s. He supposedly made movie posters and would ask kids, "Which movie would you pay to watch?" Once he had his answer, he'd put together the team, starting with the guy who wrote the script. Some businesses know their audience better than they know the story.

I still don't understand why these newspaper monopolies that got 50% profit margins for decades suddenly deserve to be talked about as if they were an endangered species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading about a guy who made drive-in movies in the 70s. He supposedly made movie posters and would ask kids, &#8220;Which movie would you pay to watch?&#8221; Once he had his answer, he&#8217;d put together the team, starting with the guy who wrote the script. Some businesses know their audience better than they know the story.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t understand why these newspaper monopolies that got 50% profit margins for decades suddenly deserve to be talked about as if they were an endangered species.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Every overbloated investigative or â€œenterpriseâ€ piece is not Watergate."

Right.  Exactly.  Sometimes its a local expose on &lt;a href="http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/special_packages/assistedliving/" rel="nofollow"&gt;state funded assisted living homes&lt;/a&gt; that comprises an investigative series - and  its *these* stories that require legal, and financial resources to pursue.  In particular because they are the kinds of stories that fall thru the cracks - about subject matter that might not be comfortable for anyone to hear about.

Jeff, I agree with ya - it's sad that the Frontline piece concentrated too much on the "us versus them" angle - but for once I heard some concern that the business model no longer works - as Robert Feinman and Oliver Willis also point out. 

Like you say here "Itâ€™s a business. Itâ€™s a new media world. Wake up and figure out what to do about it. "

Right.  Absolutely.  Otherwise, pieces like the Inquirer one I just linked to are less likely to be produced, and received by those that need to see them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every overbloated investigative or â€œenterpriseâ€ piece is not Watergate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right.  Exactly.  Sometimes its a local expose on <a href="http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/special_packages/assistedliving/" rel="nofollow">state funded assisted living homes</a> that comprises an investigative series - and  its *these* stories that require legal, and financial resources to pursue.  In particular because they are the kinds of stories that fall thru the cracks - about subject matter that might not be comfortable for anyone to hear about.</p>
<p>Jeff, I agree with ya - it&#8217;s sad that the Frontline piece concentrated too much on the &#8220;us versus them&#8221; angle - but for once I heard some concern that the business model no longer works - as Robert Feinman and Oliver Willis also point out. </p>
<p>Like you say here &#8220;Itâ€™s a business. Itâ€™s a new media world. Wake up and figure out what to do about it. &#8221;</p>
<p>Right.  Absolutely.  Otherwise, pieces like the Inquirer one I just linked to are less likely to be produced, and received by those that need to see them.</p>
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		<title>By: everybuddy.org &#187;</title>
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		<dc:creator>everybuddy.org &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] needs to take place in the newspaper business, my intial reaction wasn&#8217;t as one-sided as Jeff Jarvis, perhaps because I am a Tribune employee, and knew some of these people [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 02:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are these magical online outfits doing good original reporting, Jeff? You can't argue with Frontline for not promoting something that doesn't yet exist. I slam the Washington Post all the time (I felt they were useful pawns in the rush to war), but their reporting on Walter Reed is already one of the top news events of the year and has had an actual effect on the lives of many. I don't think any blogger or independent online journalist has had anything close to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are these magical online outfits doing good original reporting, Jeff? You can&#8217;t argue with Frontline for not promoting something that doesn&#8217;t yet exist. I slam the Washington Post all the time (I felt they were useful pawns in the rush to war), but their reporting on Walter Reed is already one of the top news events of the year and has had an actual effect on the lives of many. I don&#8217;t think any blogger or independent online journalist has had anything close to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Hasan Jafri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hasan Jafri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 01:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jeff.

One of new mediaâ€™s missions is to level the playing field by giving individuals across ( dumb AND smart people just like dumb AND smart newspapers; remember there are some very dumb newspapers and old media outlets) the tools to harvest and present their own content. This has happened easily in some areas, such as opinion and commentary. It hasnâ€™t happened fully in the case of investigative or so called â€œenterpriseâ€ reporting, which is labor intensive and requires modes of access â€“ to people and  documents â€“ that individual bloggers simply donâ€™t have yet. 

Frontline loaded the deck by showcasing precisely this kind of â€œinvestigativeâ€ or â€œin depthâ€ work: Scads of people,  dozens of interviews left on the cutting room floor, big hype for coverage in the run up to the show, etc. People, especially older Americans of the Woodwardian age, react favorably to this kind of reporting because they have been coached to think simply because a news outlet has access to â€œpowerfulâ€ sources it has the goods. Access and gratuitously pompous interviewing techniques become a rhetorical device for locating authority within a journalistic text or broadcast. The trouble is this approach is old and tired and no longer works well. Every overbloated nvestigative or â€œenterpriseâ€ piece is not Watergate.  

New media will catch up with â€œenterprise journalism,â€  just as Google caught up with search engine design. As news delivery fragments, and younger audiences get all their content from targeted searches, feeds and  customized news mashups, anyone will be able sit at a computer and create as good if not better content than Frontline.  In two years, weâ€™re looking at an online investigative journalism platform as good, if not better, than its dead tree ancestors. It will require online access to documents and sources, but in many ways that already exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jeff.</p>
<p>One of new mediaâ€™s missions is to level the playing field by giving individuals across ( dumb AND smart people just like dumb AND smart newspapers; remember there are some very dumb newspapers and old media outlets) the tools to harvest and present their own content. This has happened easily in some areas, such as opinion and commentary. It hasnâ€™t happened fully in the case of investigative or so called â€œenterpriseâ€ reporting, which is labor intensive and requires modes of access â€“ to people and  documents â€“ that individual bloggers simply donâ€™t have yet. </p>
<p>Frontline loaded the deck by showcasing precisely this kind of â€œinvestigativeâ€ or â€œin depthâ€ work: Scads of people,  dozens of interviews left on the cutting room floor, big hype for coverage in the run up to the show, etc. People, especially older Americans of the Woodwardian age, react favorably to this kind of reporting because they have been coached to think simply because a news outlet has access to â€œpowerfulâ€ sources it has the goods. Access and gratuitously pompous interviewing techniques become a rhetorical device for locating authority within a journalistic text or broadcast. The trouble is this approach is old and tired and no longer works well. Every overbloated nvestigative or â€œenterpriseâ€ piece is not Watergate.  </p>
<p>New media will catch up with â€œenterprise journalism,â€  just as Google caught up with search engine design. As news delivery fragments, and younger audiences get all their content from targeted searches, feeds and  customized news mashups, anyone will be able sit at a computer and create as good if not better content than Frontline.  In two years, weâ€™re looking at an online investigative journalism platform as good, if not better, than its dead tree ancestors. It will require online access to documents and sources, but in many ways that already exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Jeff on his main point here, though we disagree on some specifics: the narrative theme for coverage of the emerging media transformation has already been scripted, and various interests can be counted on to regularly chime in with reporting predictably supporting their view. 

This is bad journalism ... and bad *for* journalism, too. If editors and reporters buy into this superficial view, we'll never made the changes necessary to sustain the mission (which is, Jeff, more than a business).

As Abe Lincoln once said, in the midst of a far more profound transformation, "We must disenthrall oursevles, and then we will save out country."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Jeff on his main point here, though we disagree on some specifics: the narrative theme for coverage of the emerging media transformation has already been scripted, and various interests can be counted on to regularly chime in with reporting predictably supporting their view. </p>
<p>This is bad journalism &#8230; and bad *for* journalism, too. If editors and reporters buy into this superficial view, we&#8217;ll never made the changes necessary to sustain the mission (which is, Jeff, more than a business).</p>
<p>As Abe Lincoln once said, in the midst of a far more profound transformation, &#8220;We must disenthrall oursevles, and then we will save out country.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Feinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Feinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you would like to comment on the remarks in the show of Google CEO Eric Schmidt who said that almost all the news stories gathered by services like his originate with the newspapers.

You consistently slight the need for investigative journalism of the type that requires many months of work to produce a story. Only an organization that has a flow of money from other areas can afford to fund this type of work. The broadcast media hasn't done a good job of entering this area, most of their investigative stories seem tied to some personal injustices. Uncovering institutional malfeasance is much harder. 

This type of reporting has been the area to suffer the most. Nobody misses a story that isn't investigated since it was buried to begin with. The newspapers may be failing in their own model, but there has been little in the way of innovative ideas as to how this role, at least, is going to remain in the new frontier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you would like to comment on the remarks in the show of Google CEO Eric Schmidt who said that almost all the news stories gathered by services like his originate with the newspapers.</p>
<p>You consistently slight the need for investigative journalism of the type that requires many months of work to produce a story. Only an organization that has a flow of money from other areas can afford to fund this type of work. The broadcast media hasn&#8217;t done a good job of entering this area, most of their investigative stories seem tied to some personal injustices. Uncovering institutional malfeasance is much harder. </p>
<p>This type of reporting has been the area to suffer the most. Nobody misses a story that isn&#8217;t investigated since it was buried to begin with. The newspapers may be failing in their own model, but there has been little in the way of innovative ideas as to how this role, at least, is going to remain in the new frontier.</p>
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