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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Profitable Signals: &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Would an &#8216;Open Ethos&#8217; Reinvent Your Industry? (Part I)</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/15/should-you-choose-to-accept-it/#comment-345860</link>
		<dc:creator>Profitable Signals: &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Would an &#8216;Open Ethos&#8217; Reinvent Your Industry? (Part I)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While Wikipedia is a non-profit, interestingly Jimmy Wales recently started a new for-profit venture called &#8220;Wikia.&#8221; You can learn more about the project by reading it&#8217;s home-page - constructed by the community. Another recent interesting example is being led by Jay Rosen called &#8220;Assignment Zero&#8221;  which is putting together a new very interesting twist on this now. Check out a description by Jay in Wired there is also a good summary by Jeff Jarvis. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While Wikipedia is a non-profit, interestingly Jimmy Wales recently started a new for-profit venture called &#8220;Wikia.&#8221; You can learn more about the project by reading it&#8217;s home-page - constructed by the community. Another recent interesting example is being led by Jay Rosen called &#8220;Assignment Zero&#8221;  which is putting together a new very interesting twist on this now. Check out a description by Jay in Wired there is also a good summary by Jeff Jarvis. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/15/should-you-choose-to-accept-it/#comment-345161</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understood on all points.  Funny, the other "test" topic I considered was a local story.  The same conditions could have been applied there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understood on all points.  Funny, the other &#8220;test&#8221; topic I considered was a local story.  The same conditions could have been applied there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom W.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/15/should-you-choose-to-accept-it/#comment-344908</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thought and I guess this was what got me charged up: what I really would hope to get from the experiment is something that can move people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thought and I guess this was what got me charged up: what I really would hope to get from the experiment is something that can move people.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom W.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/15/should-you-choose-to-accept-it/#comment-344907</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay - those are valid reasons, i suppose. I kind of figured some of them out when I threw the comment down, but still...I'd suggest two things:

- There are other groups of highly motivated (and wired) citizen reporters out there, certainly within the wide scope of politics and policy, but also within big cities - you could have gone local.

- And two, while I agree the mistakes would have been more spectacuar, perhaps that would have been for the best! (And have the added benefit of drawing more attention to the project).

Finally, you must have thought about the double-entendre of "crowdsourcing" in a journalistic context....some fascinating ways to read the term.

Still, I'll be watching - I've been interested in community journalism since, well, I was one one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay - those are valid reasons, i suppose. I kind of figured some of them out when I threw the comment down, but still&#8230;I&#8217;d suggest two things:</p>
<p>- There are other groups of highly motivated (and wired) citizen reporters out there, certainly within the wide scope of politics and policy, but also within big cities - you could have gone local.</p>
<p>- And two, while I agree the mistakes would have been more spectacuar, perhaps that would have been for the best! (And have the added benefit of drawing more attention to the project).</p>
<p>Finally, you must have thought about the double-entendre of &#8220;crowdsourcing&#8221; in a journalistic context&#8230;.some fascinating ways to read the term.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;ll be watching - I&#8217;ve been interested in community journalism since, well, I was one one.</p>
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		<title>By: Framtider.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-03-16</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/15/should-you-choose-to-accept-it/#comment-344904</link>
		<dc:creator>Framtider.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-03-16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine: Should you choose to accept itâ€¦. &#8220;Thatâ€™s not as easy an exercise in networked journalism as, say, comparing prices for drugs across the country, one of the early examples thrown out for NewAssignment, or comparing companiesâ€™ family policies. But they didnâ€™t go for easy out of the g (tags: assignment_zero newassignment.net jeff_jarvis buzzmachine) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BuzzMachine: Should you choose to accept itâ€¦. &#8220;Thatâ€™s not as easy an exercise in networked journalism as, say, comparing prices for drugs across the country, one of the early examples thrown out for NewAssignment, or comparing companiesâ€™ family policies. But they didnâ€™t go for easy out of the g (tags: assignment_zero newassignment.net jeff_jarvis buzzmachine) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/15/should-you-choose-to-accept-it/#comment-344887</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Tom.  I knew I would get this criticism, and it is a valid criticism  

Assignment Zero now is a beta site, and we're learning how to use it, just as we are figuring our how to organize a big team of contributors. Starting from zero.

I made the decision that we should start with this "open source goes mainstream" story as a test of premises and platform. And I made it knowing that the choice would disappoint, frustrate, annoy some people, and would also be confusing to some.   I even groaned a time or two myself: a crowdsourced article on crowdsourcing?  I understand why people think that's lame.

But.  I had reasons.  I don't know if I made the right decision, but here's my list:

* This is our first project.  Maybe we will catch your interest on the next one.

* After this one our site will be a lot better, and we won't be making dumb ass rookie mistakes.

* We are, no way around it, doing a crowd sourced story on crowd sourcing. But not to be cutesy and self-referential and "webbie." That was not my aim.  I think the rise of crowdsourcing and peer production as a social trend is a pretty good story.   But also: The information we develop about the practice of collaborating online, about "good" practice, variations in it, problems with it--all the realism we can find--will be extremely valuable to future projects of NewAssignment.Net.

* Our site--an open newsroom with an assignment desk, reporter's notebook, exchange, contributors columns--is new, rough, unfinished, in a sense just bones.  Only people trying to use it can make it better. So which people do you want at that early stage, when it's all potential but not fully "there"...? My decision was to go with people inclined to know a lot about the Web, who could see something under construction and realize what it was, people with some enthusiasm for the project of creating a way to do large, complex stories. Call them early adopters. The story we're covering is likely to be of interest to them.

* The rise and spread (and limits) of crowdsourcing is of marginal interest to some, maybe most of NewAssignment.Net's eventual participants. But the same subject is, without question, of journalistic importance to Wired and Wired.com-- on their beat. Therefore they have an easy way to evaluate how useful our practices are. If they can effectively evaluate us, we can learn more. And that's a win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Tom.  I knew I would get this criticism, and it is a valid criticism  </p>
<p>Assignment Zero now is a beta site, and we&#8217;re learning how to use it, just as we are figuring our how to organize a big team of contributors. Starting from zero.</p>
<p>I made the decision that we should start with this &#8220;open source goes mainstream&#8221; story as a test of premises and platform. And I made it knowing that the choice would disappoint, frustrate, annoy some people, and would also be confusing to some.   I even groaned a time or two myself: a crowdsourced article on crowdsourcing?  I understand why people think that&#8217;s lame.</p>
<p>But.  I had reasons.  I don&#8217;t know if I made the right decision, but here&#8217;s my list:</p>
<p>* This is our first project.  Maybe we will catch your interest on the next one.</p>
<p>* After this one our site will be a lot better, and we won&#8217;t be making dumb ass rookie mistakes.</p>
<p>* We are, no way around it, doing a crowd sourced story on crowd sourcing. But not to be cutesy and self-referential and &#8220;webbie.&#8221; That was not my aim.  I think the rise of crowdsourcing and peer production as a social trend is a pretty good story.   But also: The information we develop about the practice of collaborating online, about &#8220;good&#8221; practice, variations in it, problems with it&#8211;all the realism we can find&#8211;will be extremely valuable to future projects of NewAssignment.Net.</p>
<p>* Our site&#8211;an open newsroom with an assignment desk, reporter&#8217;s notebook, exchange, contributors columns&#8211;is new, rough, unfinished, in a sense just bones.  Only people trying to use it can make it better. So which people do you want at that early stage, when it&#8217;s all potential but not fully &#8220;there&#8221;&#8230;? My decision was to go with people inclined to know a lot about the Web, who could see something under construction and realize what it was, people with some enthusiasm for the project of creating a way to do large, complex stories. Call them early adopters. The story we&#8217;re covering is likely to be of interest to them.</p>
<p>* The rise and spread (and limits) of crowdsourcing is of marginal interest to some, maybe most of NewAssignment.Net&#8217;s eventual participants. But the same subject is, without question, of journalistic importance to Wired and Wired.com&#8211; on their beat. Therefore they have an easy way to evaluate how useful our practices are. If they can effectively evaluate us, we can learn more. And that&#8217;s a win.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom W.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/15/should-you-choose-to-accept-it/#comment-344873</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great project - crappy assignment.

Where's the news value? Where's the impact on people's daily lives? How does this fit into the current discussion of issues? Why so esoteric? Why a subject that will only attract cyber-geeks?

Man, you could have tackled health care, education, immigration, race relations, religion - or any number of real news topics.

And the thing is, even if this thing rocks, it will only prove the concept to a bunch on insider head-nodders anyway...Hate to say it, was excited when I first heard of the idea, but this is a big swing and a miss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great project - crappy assignment.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the news value? Where&#8217;s the impact on people&#8217;s daily lives? How does this fit into the current discussion of issues? Why so esoteric? Why a subject that will only attract cyber-geeks?</p>
<p>Man, you could have tackled health care, education, immigration, race relations, religion - or any number of real news topics.</p>
<p>And the thing is, even if this thing rocks, it will only prove the concept to a bunch on insider head-nodders anyway&#8230;Hate to say it, was excited when I first heard of the idea, but this is a big swing and a miss!</p>
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		<title>By: greg0658</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/15/should-you-choose-to-accept-it/#comment-344870</link>
		<dc:creator>greg0658</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The masses can contribute on issues of daily life, but specific issues of mass importance - on say "spy poisoning" needs a sleuth assigned to the job who is not predisposed to an outcome.

Sure there are always individuals in the know on any subject and could be this reporter, but those individuals are usually predisposed to another purpose in life and beyond that are not connected in mass to inform us on their subject.

Say the Borg control and freedom to "boldly go were no man has gone before".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The masses can contribute on issues of daily life, but specific issues of mass importance - on say &#8220;spy poisoning&#8221; needs a sleuth assigned to the job who is not predisposed to an outcome.</p>
<p>Sure there are always individuals in the know on any subject and could be this reporter, but those individuals are usually predisposed to another purpose in life and beyond that are not connected in mass to inform us on their subject.</p>
<p>Say the Borg control and freedom to &#8220;boldly go were no man has gone before&#8221;.</p>
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