Comments on: Me vs NYT at OPA re WWGD http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/ by Jeff Jarvis Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:53:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Eve http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-372601 Eve Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:32:17 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-372601 Google the new God? It becomes a more viable solution everyday. No doubt people will talk about the Prophet G in 2000 years time. Google the new God? It becomes a more viable solution everyday. No doubt people will talk about the Prophet G in 2000 years time.

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Guardian column: Whither the destination (and brand)? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-360616 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Guardian column: Whither the destination (and brand)? Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:44:44 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-360616 [...] and I got into a theatrical tiff over my contention that we in media should all be asking WWGD (What would Google do) and getting ourselves distributed widely. Martin held that some brands are [...] [...] and I got into a theatrical tiff over my contention that we in media should all be asking WWGD (What would Google do) and getting ourselves distributed widely. Martin held that some brands are [...]

]]> By: howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » News now is all about time http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358851 howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » News now is all about time Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:15:00 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358851 [...] Maybe. Google news offers two sorts (relevance and date), and it’s never a bad idea to ask yourself “what would Google do.” [...] [...] Maybe. Google news offers two sorts (relevance and date), and it’s never a bad idea to ask yourself “what would Google do.” [...]

]]> By: softexpose.com » Blog Archive » Site or network? Own or join? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358548 softexpose.com » Blog Archive » Site or network? Own or join? Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:04:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358548 [...] WWGD. What would Google do? Google would network. [...] [...] WWGD. What would Google do? Google would network. [...]

]]> By: links for 2007-08-29 « David Black http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358456 links for 2007-08-29 « David Black Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:28:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358456 [...] Me vs NYT at OPA re WWGD - BuzzMachine “We were arguing about the centralized-v-distributed architecture of media. Martin is arguing that some media brands — yes, the Times — are worth coming to,,, I say that they all — yes, even the Times — must look at new ways in which we can do mor (tags: internet newspapers newspapersites journalism distribution unbundling aggregators blogging nyt) [...] [...] Me vs NYT at OPA re WWGD - BuzzMachine “We were arguing about the centralized-v-distributed architecture of media. Martin is arguing that some media brands — yes, the Times — are worth coming to,,, I say that they all — yes, even the Times — must look at new ways in which we can do mor (tags: internet newspapers newspapersites journalism distribution unbundling aggregators blogging nyt) [...]

]]> By: contentious.com - links for 2007-08-28 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358425 contentious.com - links for 2007-08-28 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:19:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358425 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Me vs NYT at OPA re WWGD “We were also disagreeing about something more fundamental or at least refreshingly different from the old blogger-v-msm debate. We were arguing about the centralized-v-distributed architecture of media.” (tags: adversarial events controversy blogging journalism mindset media+evolution tidbits+fodder) [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Me vs NYT at OPA re WWGD “We were also disagreeing about something more fundamental or at least refreshingly different from the old blogger-v-msm debate. We were arguing about the centralized-v-distributed architecture of media.” (tags: adversarial events controversy blogging journalism mindset media+evolution tidbits+fodder) [...]

]]> By: ‘Vs. Thinking’ Watch: OPA in London | Television Blog Online http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358401 ‘Vs. Thinking’ Watch: OPA in London | Television Blog Online Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:49:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358401 [...] Jarvis points us to video from a panel he was on at the Online Publishers Association conference in London last week that presents yet another case [...] [...] Jarvis points us to video from a panel he was on at the Online Publishers Association conference in London last week that presents yet another case [...]

]]> By: wfstuff.info » ‘Vs. Thinking’ Watch: OPA in London http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358394 wfstuff.info » ‘Vs. Thinking’ Watch: OPA in London Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:58:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358394 [...] Jarvis points us to video from a panel he was on at the Online Publishers Association conference in London last week that presents yet another case [...] [...] Jarvis points us to video from a panel he was on at the Online Publishers Association conference in London last week that presents yet another case [...]

]]> By: ‘Vs. Thinking’ Watch: OPA in London - Lost Remote TV Blog http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358390 ‘Vs. Thinking’ Watch: OPA in London - Lost Remote TV Blog Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:54:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358390 [...] Jarvis points us to video from a panel he was on at the Online Publishers Association conference in London last week that presents yet another case [...] [...] Jarvis points us to video from a panel he was on at the Online Publishers Association conference in London last week that presents yet another case [...]

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » WWAD? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358383 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » WWAD? Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:33:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-358383 [...] Kara Swisher is pleased to be a part of an Amanda Congdon report and so am I. Amanda’s smitted with the catch-question WWGD. [...] [...] Kara Swisher is pleased to be a part of an Amanda Congdon report and so am I. Amanda’s smitted with the catch-question WWGD. [...]

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Site or network? Own or join? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-356988 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Site or network? Own or join? Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:46:00 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-356988 [...] WWGD. What would Google do? Google would network. [...] [...] WWGD. What would Google do? Google would network. [...]

]]> By: » Is ‘What would Google do’ really the right question? | Digital Markets | ZDNet.com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-350241 » Is ‘What would Google do’ really the right question? | Digital Markets | ZDNet.com Tue, 22 May 2007 22:37:03 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-350241 [...] Is "Google the new God," as Jeff Jarvis not so modestly proclaims? [...] [...] Is "Google the new God," as Jeff Jarvis not so modestly proclaims? [...]

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » WWGD: What has Google done? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-350030 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » WWGD: What has Google done? Thu, 17 May 2007 22:10:58 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-350030 [...] So once again, even as we make our own articles, we should be following Google’s example and asking WWGD. [...] [...] So once again, even as we make our own articles, we should be following Google’s example and asking WWGD. [...]

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Smartest media quote of the year http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-349807 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Smartest media quote of the year Mon, 14 May 2007 13:39:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-349807 [...] their mental map of the world and realize that they are not at center, we are. What they defined as inside is outside. This requires them to turn their world inside out. CBS is doing [...] [...] their mental map of the world and realize that they are not at center, we are. What they defined as inside is outside. This requires them to turn their world inside out. CBS is doing [...]

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » More sand http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-349411 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » More sand Mon, 07 May 2007 22:04:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-349411 [...] Well said. The problem for the controllers of media is that they still want to be and think they can be in control. But the obvious rule of nature is that we will be in control whenever we can be and we will cede it only unwillingly, only by necessity. So the key is to find out how to succeed by enabling us to do what we want to do. That is what the technology companies — Google, Facebook, et al — do. How can media companies do likewise? WWGD? [...] [...] Well said. The problem for the controllers of media is that they still want to be and think they can be in control. But the obvious rule of nature is that we will be in control whenever we can be and we will cede it only unwillingly, only by necessity. So the key is to find out how to succeed by enabling us to do what we want to do. That is what the technology companies — Google, Facebook, et al — do. How can media companies do likewise? WWGD? [...]

]]> By: donloeb.com » Blog Archive » links for 2007-03-22 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-346027 donloeb.com » Blog Archive » links for 2007-03-22 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 04:37:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-346027 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Me vs NYT at OPA re WWGD (tags: jeffjarvis nytimes yahoo google) [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Me vs NYT at OPA re WWGD (tags: jeffjarvis nytimes yahoo google) [...]

]]> By: howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » Yahoo and Google, two different media models http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345384 howardowens.com: media blog » Blog Archive » Yahoo and Google, two different media models Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:04:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345384 [...] don’t usually do quotes of the day, but this bit from Jeff Jarvis deserves to stand on its own with no commentary from me: I talked about Yahoo as the last old media [...] [...] don’t usually do quotes of the day, but this bit from Jeff Jarvis deserves to stand on its own with no commentary from me: I talked about Yahoo as the last old media [...]

]]> By: Tansley http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345375 Tansley Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:08:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345375 Correx: ...with what WAS evolving out here... Correx: …with what WAS evolving out here…

]]> By: Tansley http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345374 Tansley Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:07:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345374 Journalist - Blogger - Metajournalist - Metablogger...whatever. I started reading you because you were firmly on-target with what what evolving out here. Sticks and stones. The media evolves regardless of what anyone wants to believe. It's all about OPTIONS. I may still read a newspaper, but it's because one is delivered to my DESK every day...more often than not I'll finish my online newsreading first, since that's where I get the bulk of my world news. Then I'll check the paper for the local stuff, drive home, check out the News Hour on PBS, and later for entertainment, I might even put on a vinyl album of old time radio programs...or I might just read the latest SF novel I've purchased...unless I'm writing... The concept of being able to RESPOND to journalists is, to me, like being handed the key to the city. Not only is it almost impossible for anyone to do anything that affects others anymore without it being reported somewhere...it's now almost impossible to do so and not get feedback on it...and THAT is the natural evolution of democracy, in my opinion. Journalist - Blogger - Metajournalist - Metablogger…whatever. I started reading you because you were firmly on-target with what what evolving out here.

Sticks and stones. The media evolves regardless of what anyone wants to believe. It’s all about OPTIONS. I may still read a newspaper, but it’s because one is delivered to my DESK every day…more often than not I’ll finish my online newsreading first, since that’s where I get the bulk of my world news. Then I’ll check the paper for the local stuff, drive home, check out the News Hour on PBS, and later for entertainment, I might even put on a vinyl album of old time radio programs…or I might just read the latest SF novel I’ve purchased…unless I’m writing…

The concept of being able to RESPOND to journalists is, to me, like being handed the key to the city. Not only is it almost impossible for anyone to do anything that affects others anymore without it being reported somewhere…it’s now almost impossible to do so and not get feedback on it…and THAT is the natural evolution of democracy, in my opinion.

]]> By: David Martin http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345318 David Martin Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:05:48 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345318 pwned: Jeff, it seems to come down to who "owns" what. My sense is the dead tree guys feel that we, as readers, belong to them; they own our attention and intend to find every way possible to resell it. Not that ad supported media shouldn't be doing that but they also need to find creative ways to add value and create wealth in game-changing creative collaboration and innovation. Low marks for them on plays well with others. More and more this sounds like legacy media playing Pope Leo X to your Martin Luther. In this case 95+ bloggers have already spread the word, the message is way, way out there. Whereas the NYT folks might want it to be day one in Wittenberg, we are far beyond that moment. I applaud your efforts to move the conversation forward to some productive and far more interesting ends. FYI - hope - reading in Dave Winer this AM a Timesman has set up a NYT Twitter account. pwned: Jeff, it seems to come down to who “owns” what. My sense is the dead tree guys feel that we, as readers, belong to them; they own our attention and intend to find every way possible to resell it. Not that ad supported media shouldn’t be doing that but they also need to find creative ways to add value and create wealth in game-changing creative collaboration and innovation. Low marks for them on plays well with others. More and more this sounds like legacy media playing Pope Leo X to your Martin Luther. In this case 95+ bloggers have already spread the word, the message is way, way out there. Whereas the NYT folks might want it to be day one in Wittenberg, we are far beyond that moment. I applaud your efforts to move the conversation forward to some productive and far more interesting ends. FYI - hope - reading in Dave Winer this AM a Timesman has set up a NYT Twitter account.

]]> By: Andy Freeman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345290 Andy Freeman Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:42:18 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345290 What check is there on media? Suppose that Pinch decided to print that the earth was flat. What would stop him? (His cite-checkers could find support for that proposition.) They may think that they have layers, but they're a parfait. What check is there on media?

Suppose that Pinch decided to print that the earth was flat. What would stop him? (His cite-checkers could find support for that proposition.)

They may think that they have layers, but they’re a parfait.

]]> By: Jackie Danicki » WWGD? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345239 Jackie Danicki » WWGD? Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:50:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345239 [...] Jeff Jarvis: Yahoo [is] the last old media company to look at the world this way (along with all the older media companies): ‘We control content. We market to get you to come to us. Then we feed you as much advertising as we can, until you leave.’ That’s the centralized model of media. I contrasted this with the decentralized, distributed model embodied by nobody better than Google: ‘We go to where you are and put service and advertising there. Your pageview is then our pageview. And we have enabled you to do what you want to do. And we can all do more of it.’…[M]edia companies should ask WWGD — ‘what would Google do?’ (and, yes, Google is the new God). Posted by Jackie Danicki | [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis: Yahoo [is] the last old media company to look at the world this way (along with all the older media companies): ‘We control content. We market to get you to come to us. Then we feed you as much advertising as we can, until you leave.’ That’s the centralized model of media. I contrasted this with the decentralized, distributed model embodied by nobody better than Google: ‘We go to where you are and put service and advertising there. Your pageview is then our pageview. And we have enabled you to do what you want to do. And we can all do more of it.’…[M]edia companies should ask WWGD — ‘what would Google do?’ (and, yes, Google is the new God). Posted by Jackie Danicki | [...]

]]> By: CaptiousNut http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345232 CaptiousNut Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:19:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/18/me-v-nyt-at-opa-over-wwgd/#comment-345232 The NYT has raise cluelessness to dizzying heights. The NYT has raise cluelessness to dizzying heights.

]]>