Comments on: VON: With our hosts http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/ by Jeff Jarvis Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:08:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Blip.tv press » Blog Archive » Buzz Machine: VON - With our hosts http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345479 Blip.tv press » Blog Archive » Buzz Machine: VON - With our hosts Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:44:07 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345479 [...] http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/ [...] [...] http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/ [...]

]]> By: Paw http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345396 Paw Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:01:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345396 Perhaps, Robert, it's because most TV viewing is done at home and most web video viewing is done at work, students excluded. I do in fact believe you can service both of these markets - unlike Jeff, however, I don't believe one is going to swallow the other. The practice of watching videos on the net isn't going away - but I wouldn't call it watching TV. Perhaps, Robert, it’s because most TV viewing is done at home and most web video viewing is done at work, students excluded. I do in fact believe you can service both of these markets - unlike Jeff, however, I don’t believe one is going to swallow the other. The practice of watching videos on the net isn’t going away - but I wouldn’t call it watching TV.

]]> By: Tansley http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345395 Tansley Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:58:04 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345395 Dimitri is right, about the money, to a point. It WILL be 'obscene'...but it'll be so diffused that it'll be difficult to measure except by examining the host site books. Too bad Arthur Anderson went down. The great thing about this is that anybody willing to put forth a genuine effort at quality is going to find a reward SOMEWHERE, instead of being relegated to the bottom of some script stack on a producer's desk. Wish it'd happened twenty years ago. I like Daddyclay's point - and in response to his question, 'to upload or not to upload?' I answer: if you don't want to risk it, don't upload it. Period. If you post it, be prepared to see it appropriated elsewhere...and rejoice ye therefore (after all, theft IS the most sincere form of flattery.) If you're worried about protecting contect, don't even think that streaming it is foolproof - the tools exist to snag it and recirc it. Stick to the (bigger) screen and just publish jpegs or, at most, motion GIFs, online. If they want to see the product, they will come. If not, bummer...thou shalt die the deserved death... And YES, Robert, TWO MARKETS. At least until the price comes down on HD sets...and at least for as long as it takes bandwidth to catch up with HD...where the roads may once again merge... Dimitri is right, about the money, to a point. It WILL be ‘obscene’…but it’ll be so diffused that it’ll be difficult to measure except by examining the host site books. Too bad Arthur Anderson went down.

The great thing about this is that anybody willing to put forth a genuine effort at quality is going to find a reward SOMEWHERE, instead of being relegated to the bottom of some script stack on a producer’s desk. Wish it’d happened twenty years ago.

I like Daddyclay’s point - and in response to his question, ‘to upload or not to upload?’ I answer: if you don’t want to risk it, don’t upload it. Period. If you post it, be prepared to see it appropriated elsewhere…and rejoice ye therefore (after all, theft IS the most sincere form of flattery.) If you’re worried about protecting contect, don’t even think that streaming it is foolproof - the tools exist to snag it and recirc it. Stick to the (bigger) screen and just publish jpegs or, at most, motion GIFs, online. If they want to see the product, they will come. If not, bummer…thou shalt die the deserved death…

And YES, Robert, TWO MARKETS. At least until the price comes down on HD sets…and at least for as long as it takes bandwidth to catch up with HD…where the roads may once again merge…

]]> By: Daddyclay http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345391 Daddyclay Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:06:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345391 I agree with Paw. Web hosting sites are tantalizing for producers, but also present problems -- monetization, intellectual property rights, control. The question for producers is: to upload or not to upload? Why can't producers create independent micro networks on niche subjects and webcast directly to viewers? More sophisticated video seach will help refer eyeballs to watch on our own sites. Coming soon? That's what were banking on at dadlabs.com. I agree with Paw. Web hosting sites are tantalizing for producers, but also present problems — monetization, intellectual property rights, control. The question for producers is: to upload or not to upload? Why can’t producers create independent micro networks on niche subjects and webcast directly to viewers? More sophisticated video seach will help refer eyeballs to watch on our own sites. Coming soon? That’s what were banking on at dadlabs.com.

]]> By: Robert Feinman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345390 Robert Feinman Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:16:50 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345390 It seems ironic that at the same time everyone is being pushed into buying a high def large screen TV the content pioneers are releasing their material in a format best seen in a three inch frame on a PC. HDTV is all about presentation, the web is all about content. Two markets? It seems ironic that at the same time everyone is being pushed into buying a high def large screen TV the content pioneers are releasing their material in a format best seen in a three inch frame on a PC.

HDTV is all about presentation, the web is all about content. Two markets?

]]> By: Paw http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345385 Paw Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:04:46 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/19/von-with-our-hosts/#comment-345385 "Dmitry says Veoh serves viewers, producers, and advertisers. “For content owners we provide a comprehensive platform for them to reach their viewer: hosting, syndication, monetization….” I'd love to know, Jeff, how much they've paid out to content owners to date, versus how much revenue (from any source, advertising, etc.) they've kept for themselves. It doesn't appear from your description that they spend any money producing any content at all. The Veoh website says this: "Veoh enables you to Automatically syndicate to YouTube, MySpace, Google Video, and Facebook. Veoh does all the work for you so you don't have to spend hours manually uploading to each site. Make money on your videos by charging on a pay-per-view basis." If this means you, the content producer, can try to charge people to watch the videos you make, good luck with that. Seems like Veoh gets the content whether you get paid for it or not. sounds like another YouTube, building a business on the backs of other people's work... “Dmitry says Veoh serves viewers, producers, and advertisers. “For content owners we provide a comprehensive platform for them to reach their viewer: hosting, syndication, monetization….”

I’d love to know, Jeff, how much they’ve paid out to content owners to date, versus how much revenue (from any source, advertising, etc.) they’ve kept for themselves. It doesn’t appear from your description that they spend any money producing any content at all. The Veoh website says this:

“Veoh enables you to

Automatically syndicate to YouTube, MySpace, Google Video, and Facebook. Veoh does all the work for you so you don’t have to spend hours manually uploading to each site.

Make money on your videos by charging on a pay-per-view basis.”

If this means you, the content producer, can try to charge people to watch the videos you make, good luck with that. Seems like Veoh gets the content whether you get paid for it or not.

sounds like another YouTube, building a business on the backs of other people’s work…

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