Comments on: Hacking the campaign http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/ by Jeff Jarvis Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:28:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Unique Visits to Candidate Websites « Zeal and Activity http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-347381 Unique Visits to Candidate Websites « Zeal and Activity Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:18:31 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-347381 [...] skewed so heavily toward two Democratic candidates? Are these numbers even real? A few weeks ago, Jeff Jarvis made the case that Obama’s YouTube traffic is being hacked. Beware internet numbers, though. This is not a [...] [...] skewed so heavily toward two Democratic candidates? Are these numbers even real? A few weeks ago, Jeff Jarvis made the case that Obama’s YouTube traffic is being hacked. Beware internet numbers, though. This is not a [...]

]]> By: Steve Rhodes http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346285 Steve Rhodes Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:10:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346285 Graeme, it is even more than that. When people searched for Obama and YouTube, his channel page is one of the top google results. For Jeff to to go from one individual making a video and some speculation about his YouTube channel page numbers (with no evidence) to "you get a disturbing, or at least unflattering, picture of some of Obama’s supporters. Some are trying to hack his campaign for him." is something he'd probably (or at least ought to) criticize if someone else did it. Graeme, it is even more than that. When people searched for Obama and YouTube, his channel page is one of the top google results.

For Jeff to to go from one individual making a video and some speculation about his YouTube channel page numbers (with no evidence) to “you get a disturbing, or at least unflattering, picture of some of Obama’s supporters. Some are trying to hack his campaign for him.” is something he’d probably (or at least ought to) criticize if someone else did it.

]]> By: Owen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346272 Owen Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:31:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346272 The day myspace and YouTube numbers actually start to matter is the day...oh wait, that won't ever happen. The day myspace and YouTube numbers actually start to matter is the day…oh wait, that won’t ever happen.

]]> By: Graeme http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346260 Graeme Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:59:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346260 The 1984 video was posted on March 6th. When did people start flocking to it? Was it featured on a major news site or program around the 17th or 18th? Might that not explain the jump at that point, as people who do not usually populate YouTube discover the rest? The 1984 video was posted on March 6th. When did people start flocking to it? Was it featured on a major news site or program around the 17th or 18th? Might that not explain the jump at that point, as people who do not usually populate YouTube discover the rest?

]]> By: Ayal Rosenthal http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346210 Ayal Rosenthal Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:17:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346210 It reminds me of the book publishers who would purchase their own books in the specific Barnes & Nobel and small book stores visited by the NYTimes in order to improve their ranking on the NYTimes best seller list. Its a little scarier when these lists impact the media's presentation of presidential elections, which in turn influences voter behavior. It reminds me of the book publishers who would purchase their own books in the specific Barnes & Nobel and small book stores visited by the NYTimes in order to improve their ranking on the NYTimes best seller list. Its a little scarier when these lists impact the media’s presentation of presidential elections, which in turn influences voter behavior.

]]> By: Basic Thinking Blog » Politwahlkampf im Netz: zuviel des Guten ist nicht gut http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346206 Basic Thinking Blog » Politwahlkampf im Netz: zuviel des Guten ist nicht gut Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:01:46 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346206 [...] sind möglicherweise gefakt und bei MySpace scheint es nicht anders auszusehen. Mehr dazu bei Jeff Jarvis / Buzzmachine. Man denkt an alles, aber ob man auch an sowas gedacht hat? Wohl kaum. Nach dem Anti-Hillary Video [...] [...] sind möglicherweise gefakt und bei MySpace scheint es nicht anders auszusehen. Mehr dazu bei Jeff Jarvis / Buzzmachine. Man denkt an alles, aber ob man auch an sowas gedacht hat? Wohl kaum. Nach dem Anti-Hillary Video [...]

]]> By: Joe http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346199 Joe Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:31:46 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346199 The Myspace numbers are legit. I know this to be true : ). The Myspace numbers are legit.

I know this to be true : ).

]]> By: Tansley http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346198 Tansley Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:04:44 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346198 Granted, Paw...and it's a pity that Mr. Obama's message is nearly as ambiguous. Oratorical declamation does not equal Statesmanship, no matter what anyone thinks. A person may SOUND like John Carradine, but that doesn't mean he or she has anything going on upstairs besides style. 'Gaming' is such a mercurial concept to pin down. Not only could it be Obama supporters gaming his stats...it could be Hillary supporters gaming Obama's stats to make everyone think Obama supporters are the real gamers...OR...it could be Obama supporters gaming the stats to make everyone think that it's Hillary supporters gaming the stats to make everyone think Obama supporters are doing the rigging...and we enter the 'hall of mirrors' effect... As Ron points out, rigging one's own game is nothing new - it reminds me of a certain artist back in Chicago. His work was going nowhere (he was one of the early vanguard of the 'bad art' school that is so popular these days...most of his work reminds me of bad acid trips I would NEVER want on my walls.) Anyway, he had an inspiration: he borrowed about 200 grand, set up a show of his work, and invited a bunch of his friends to the opening, handing them out wads of the cash. "Here...just show up and buy my work," he instructed them. They did...his works were flying off the walls...and now he's a 'successful' artist...even though the bulk of his work is something any seventh grader could do with a copy of Photoshop on a 486: proof positive that stacking the deck CAN work for you. It's not a new idea, and nothing would surprise me anymore, these days. Like you said, Jeff, it comes down to the votes. Let's see which candidates stay 'on message' and pony-up the answers on YouTube... Granted, Paw…and it’s a pity that Mr. Obama’s message is nearly as ambiguous. Oratorical declamation does not equal Statesmanship, no matter what anyone thinks. A person may SOUND like John Carradine, but that doesn’t mean he or she has anything going on upstairs besides style.

‘Gaming’ is such a mercurial concept to pin down. Not only could it be Obama supporters gaming his stats…it could be Hillary supporters gaming Obama’s stats to make everyone think Obama supporters are the real gamers…OR…it could be Obama supporters gaming the stats to make everyone think that it’s Hillary supporters gaming the stats to make everyone think Obama supporters are doing the rigging…and we enter the ‘hall of mirrors’ effect…

As Ron points out, rigging one’s own game is nothing new - it reminds me of a certain artist back in Chicago. His work was going nowhere (he was one of the early vanguard of the ‘bad art’ school that is so popular these days…most of his work reminds me of bad acid trips I would NEVER want on my walls.) Anyway, he had an inspiration: he borrowed about 200 grand, set up a show of his work, and invited a bunch of his friends to the opening, handing them out wads of the cash. “Here…just show up and buy my work,” he instructed them. They did…his works were flying off the walls…and now he’s a ’successful’ artist…even though the bulk of his work is something any seventh grader could do with a copy of Photoshop on a 486: proof positive that stacking the deck CAN work for you. It’s not a new idea, and nothing would surprise me anymore, these days.

Like you said, Jeff, it comes down to the votes. Let’s see which candidates stay ‘on message’ and pony-up the answers on YouTube…

]]> By: Ron Davison http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346188 Ron Davison Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:13:57 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346188 Years ago there was a scandal over a management book. Apparently, the consultant company sponsoring the book was buying it by the truckload. This meant that their book landed near or at the top of the business books best seller list, which in turn meant that they got lots of consulting business. The stakes are considerably higher in this game. Years ago there was a scandal over a management book. Apparently, the consultant company sponsoring the book was buying it by the truckload. This meant that their book landed near or at the top of the business books best seller list, which in turn meant that they got lots of consulting business. The stakes are considerably higher in this game.

]]> By: Paw http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346187 Paw Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:43:31 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346187 I view all internet tallies with suspicion, Jeff. Unfortunately, the MSM are too lazy to do the same and will report what is most effortless rather than what is most accurate. Scariest part is that the longer the MSM repeat something as factual, the more people will believe it. Thus, while there may very well be no loss of momentum for Hillary Clinton in reality, if enough news programs and papers say there is, then there will be. To their credit, I believe the Obama supporters have correctly ascertained an ambiguity among Hillary supporters: even the people that love her question whether she actually believes in anything other than her God given right to be president. They are exploiting that ambiguity through the new media. I view all internet tallies with suspicion, Jeff. Unfortunately, the MSM are too lazy to do the same and will report what is most effortless rather than what is most accurate. Scariest part is that the longer the MSM repeat something as factual, the more people will believe it. Thus, while there may very well be no loss of momentum for Hillary Clinton in reality, if enough news programs and papers say there is, then there will be.

To their credit, I believe the Obama supporters have correctly ascertained an ambiguity among Hillary supporters: even the people that love her question whether she actually believes in anything other than her God given right to be president. They are exploiting that ambiguity through the new media.

]]> By: Cooler Heads http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346183 Cooler Heads Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:53:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/03/28/hacking-the-campaign/#comment-346183 Sounds like Hillary has got you drinking the Koolaid too. Sounds like Hillary has got you drinking the Koolaid too.

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