Comments on: No twinkie badges here. http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/ by Jeff Jarvis Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:18:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: blogospheric civility « the stories of our lives http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-377524 blogospheric civility « the stories of our lives Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:30:44 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-377524 [...] blogospheric civility Filed under: Uncategorized — hepzeeba @ 7:49 am I’m with Jeff Jarvis. [...] [...] blogospheric civility Filed under: Uncategorized — hepzeeba @ 7:49 am I’m with Jeff Jarvis. [...]

]]> By: blogospheric civility « the infotainment follies http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-377354 blogospheric civility « the infotainment follies Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:23:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-377354 [...] blogospheric civility Posted in Uncategorized by veronica on April 10th, 2007 I’m with Jeff Jarvis. [...] [...] blogospheric civility Posted in Uncategorized by veronica on April 10th, 2007 I’m with Jeff Jarvis. [...]

]]> By: Just Another Day On That Old Series Of Tubes We Call The Internets « LuisRei.com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-371790 Just Another Day On That Old Series Of Tubes We Call The Internets « LuisRei.com Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:22:39 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-371790 [...] Jarvis already made a good post (though a bit too long for me to bother reading it in full) about this blogger code of [...] [...] Jarvis already made a good post (though a bit too long for me to bother reading it in full) about this blogger code of [...]

]]> By: Tim O’Reilly Wants to Show You His Badge | Business Logs http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-353841 Tim O’Reilly Wants to Show You His Badge | Business Logs Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:59:15 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-353841 [...] Jarvis of BuzzMachine summed up the opposing viewpoint thusly: [W]hen I moved into the place that is my town, I didn’t [...] [...] Jarvis of BuzzMachine summed up the opposing viewpoint thusly: [W]hen I moved into the place that is my town, I didn’t [...]

]]> By: stephen hargrove dot com » Blog Archive » Ethics and Shiny Badges http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-351533 stephen hargrove dot com » Blog Archive » Ethics and Shiny Badges Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:41:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-351533 [...] started it, the New York Times plastered it on the front page, Jarvis is dead-on and Gruber has the cliff notes [...] [...] started it, the New York Times plastered it on the front page, Jarvis is dead-on and Gruber has the cliff notes [...]

]]> By: makyia http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-351343 makyia Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:35:27 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-351343 <a></a>

]]> By: maknar http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-351276 maknar Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:25:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-351276 <a></a>

]]> By: The Blog Pundit » The Blogosphere is not for sissies http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-351172 The Blog Pundit » The Blogosphere is not for sissies Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:26:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-351172 [...] Jarvis thinks about as highly about the latest attempt to create a voluntary “blogger code of conduct” as I do. In other words. Not much. But here’s the real danger in this: This code threatens to [...] [...] Jarvis thinks about as highly about the latest attempt to create a voluntary “blogger code of conduct” as I do. In other words. Not much. But here’s the real danger in this: This code threatens to [...]

]]> By: John Witte http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-350166 John Witte Mon, 21 May 2007 05:22:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-350166 you sir are a rather pompous jackass, equating, as you do, " not taking it from airline clerks when your flight (heaven forbid) is canceled" with your rather fatuous rant regarding T. O'Reilly's rather modest proposaal regarding blg etiquette. UGH! John Witte Portland, OR you sir are a rather pompous jackass, equating, as you do, ” not taking it from airline clerks when your flight (heaven forbid) is canceled” with your rather fatuous rant regarding T. O’Reilly’s rather modest proposaal regarding blg etiquette. UGH!

John Witte
Portland, OR

]]> By: Consumer Generated: Media, Marketing & Mayhem : The thankfully stillborn bloggers' code of conduct http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-348737 Consumer Generated: Media, Marketing & Mayhem : The thankfully stillborn bloggers' code of conduct Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:15:32 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-348737 [...] have written: Tristan Louis who does a great job at explaining how unworkable this proposal is and Jeff Jarvis who shows the flipside of it. Tags: code of conduct Published 11 April 2007 12:39 by Beyond [...] [...] have written: Tristan Louis who does a great job at explaining how unworkable this proposal is and Jeff Jarvis who shows the flipside of it. Tags: code of conduct Published 11 April 2007 12:39 by Beyond [...]

]]> By: kc bhatt http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-348499 kc bhatt Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:20:35 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-348499 given the chance I want all the rights without any responsibility. given the chance I want all the rights without any responsibility.

]]> By: Transnets » Blog Archive » Code pour blogs: inutile, peut-être dangereux http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-348209 Transnets » Blog Archive » Code pour blogs: inutile, peut-être dangereux Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:54:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-348209 [...] ou un quelconque code de bonne conduite universel. Je suis de ce point de vue très proche de la position de Jeff Jarvis . La blogosphère n’est pas un media homogène de professionnels, mais un espace d’échanges [...] [...] ou un quelconque code de bonne conduite universel. Je suis de ce point de vue très proche de la position de Jeff Jarvis . La blogosphère n’est pas un media homogène de professionnels, mais un espace d’échanges [...]

]]> By: Transnets » Blog Archive » Code des blogueurs: pas d’unanimité http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-348208 Transnets » Blog Archive » Code des blogueurs: pas d’unanimité Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:53:53 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-348208 [...] shérif pour illustrer sa proposition, O’Reilly donne des verges pour qu’on le fouette. C’est ce que fait Jeff Jarvis sur le thème (je résume): Nous n’avons pas besoin de donneurs de [...] [...] shérif pour illustrer sa proposition, O’Reilly donne des verges pour qu’on le fouette. C’est ce que fait Jeff Jarvis sur le thème (je résume): Nous n’avons pas besoin de donneurs de [...]

]]> By: John Lutz http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347964 John Lutz Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:43:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347964 They were / are "NAPPY_HEADED_HOES"~John They were / are “NAPPY_HEADED_HOES”~John

]]> By: Tikun Olam-תקון עולם: Make the World a Better Place » Tim O’Reilly’s Blogging Code of Conduct http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347806 Tikun Olam-תקון עולם: Make the World a Better Place » Tim O’Reilly’s Blogging Code of Conduct Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:26:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347806 [...] a result of this debate, I've learned about Section 230 of Communications Decency Act. Jeff Jarvis considers it little short of a miracle at protecting bloggers from being liable for the bad [...] [...] a result of this debate, I’ve learned about Section 230 of Communications Decency Act. Jeff Jarvis considers it little short of a miracle at protecting bloggers from being liable for the bad [...]

]]> By: Mike Cane http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347767 Mike Cane Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:43:54 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347767 Richard Silverstein: You're in a tough spot. You have my sympathies. I don't know the answer. But these effin stickers aren't it. Richard Silverstein:

You’re in a tough spot. You have my sympathies. I don’t know the answer. But these effin stickers aren’t it.

]]> By: Blonde 2.0 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347761 Blonde 2.0 Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:55:21 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347761 Jeff: Great post. I find this whole story to be disturbing and pretentious. The whole idea of blogging is based on the notion that I as a blogger have the freedom to write my opinion, no matter what it should be, and that people have the right to react to my opinions. Isn't that what freedom of speech is all about? The minute we start regulating blogging behavior and adding rules and censorship to the blogosphere, we lose its most precious element of freedom. You can check out my post on it: http://blonde2dot0.blogspot.com/2007/04/bloggers-inquisition.html Jeff:
Great post.
I find this whole story to be disturbing and pretentious. The whole idea of blogging is based on the notion that I as a blogger have the freedom to write my opinion, no matter what it should be, and that people have the right to react to my opinions. Isn’t that what freedom of speech is all about? The minute we start regulating blogging behavior and adding rules and censorship to the blogosphere, we lose its most precious element of freedom.
You can check out my post on it:
http://blonde2dot0.blogspot.com/2007/04/bloggers-inquisition.html

]]> By: Personal notes » Blog Archive » Calling into question the Bloggers’ Code of Conduct http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347759 Personal notes » Blog Archive » Calling into question the Bloggers’ Code of Conduct Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:29:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347759 [...] i think it is worth reading anyway, is the blog entry by Jeff Jarvis who goes straight against this idea. His post has quite a few starting point for brainstorming a [...] [...] i think it is worth reading anyway, is the blog entry by Jeff Jarvis who goes straight against this idea. His post has quite a few starting point for brainstorming a [...]

]]> By: links for 2007-04-13 at Wired Gecko http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347726 links for 2007-04-13 at Wired Gecko Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:34:45 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347726 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » No twinkie badges here. Jeff Jarvis weighs in with his thoughts on O’Reilly’s code of conduct (tags: codeofconduct bloggers code conduct blogging blogs oreilly politics jeffjarvis) [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » No twinkie badges here. Jeff Jarvis weighs in with his thoughts on O’Reilly’s code of conduct (tags: codeofconduct bloggers code conduct blogging blogs oreilly politics jeffjarvis) [...]

]]> By: Tim O’Reilly is an Asshole « insignificant thoughts http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347686 Tim O’Reilly is an Asshole « insignificant thoughts Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:46:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347686 [...] also have Jeff Jarvis, Jeff Jarvis: They also want to eliminate anonymous comments. The latest code — an escalation of the earlier [...] [...] also have Jeff Jarvis, Jeff Jarvis: They also want to eliminate anonymous comments. The latest code — an escalation of the earlier [...]

]]> By: Richard Silverstein http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347676 Richard Silverstein Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:47:01 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347676 I guess I was a bad boy since I cooperated with Brad Stone's NYT piece & interviewed with him about my own blog experience with stalking/harassment (see attached link). I share a certain level of doubt that the code of conduct can work. But what I don't share w. you is yr belief that things will just somehow sort themselves out in the blogosphere. Some of us, like Kathy Sierra, have to deal with real crazy people who try to make our lives a living hell. Just because they don't like our politics or our take on free speech or whatever. Here's my situation: I write a blog about Israeli Palestinian peace. I'm a dove. Pro-Israel hawks don't like doves. They hate them. They wish cancer on them in blog comment threads (yes, they did that to me). They also, in my case, create fake blogs impersonating doves & referring to sex acts they perform on themselves. They violate copyright multiple times in this fake blog including the victim's (that would be me) copyright. What does Blogger say about this fake blog they host? They have no responsibility for defaming material hosted on their server. Sure, they've taken down the two images of me since I own them. But the site remains intact. What about a blog platform code of conduct. What about asking Blogger, Typepad or whatever platforms host their own sites to enforce their own terms of service in these cases. Why have TOS if you only intend to enforce them when you (the company) want to but never when an injured party wants you to? So I have a problem with this passage fr. yr post: <blockquote>Are there rules and laws? Yes, the same ones that exist in worlds physical or virtual: If I libel or defame you on the streetcorner or in a paper or on a screen, the recourse is the same. But I don’t put up another badge on my fence saying I won’t libel you. I just don’t. That’s how the world works</blockquote> What is my recourse? Sue the bastards? With what bank account? Who'll get me that pro bono attorney so I can make life miserable for Blogger till they see reason & pursue the blog slut who's defaming me? I've done a good deal of press to let the world know about this in the Times and the local Seattle daily. It's all a poor boy can do to keep the heat on. But I don't think the recourse you claim is realistically available to many of us bloggers. I guess I was a bad boy since I cooperated with Brad Stone’s NYT piece & interviewed with him about my own blog experience with stalking/harassment (see attached link).

I share a certain level of doubt that the code of conduct can work. But what I don’t share w. you is yr belief that things will just somehow sort themselves out in the blogosphere. Some of us, like Kathy Sierra, have to deal with real crazy people who try to make our lives a living hell. Just because they don’t like our politics or our take on free speech or whatever.

Here’s my situation: I write a blog about Israeli Palestinian peace. I’m a dove. Pro-Israel hawks don’t like doves. They hate them. They wish cancer on them in blog comment threads (yes, they did that to me). They also, in my case, create fake blogs impersonating doves & referring to sex acts they perform on themselves. They violate copyright multiple times in this fake blog including the victim’s (that would be me) copyright.

What does Blogger say about this fake blog they host? They have no responsibility for defaming material hosted on their server. Sure, they’ve taken down the two images of me since I own them. But the site remains intact.

What about a blog platform code of conduct. What about asking Blogger, Typepad or whatever platforms host their own sites to enforce their own terms of service in these cases. Why have TOS if you only intend to enforce them when you (the company) want to but never when an injured party wants you to?

So I have a problem with this passage fr. yr post:

Are there rules and laws? Yes, the same ones that exist in worlds physical or virtual: If I libel or defame you on the streetcorner or in a paper or on a screen, the recourse is the same. But I don’t put up another badge on my fence saying I won’t libel you. I just don’t. That’s how the world works

What is my recourse? Sue the bastards? With what bank account? Who’ll get me that pro bono attorney so I can make life miserable for Blogger till they see reason & pursue the blog slut who’s defaming me?

I’ve done a good deal of press to let the world know about this in the Times and the local Seattle daily. It’s all a poor boy can do to keep the heat on. But I don’t think the recourse you claim is realistically available to many of us bloggers.

]]> By: A blogger code of conduct? at Wired Gecko http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347672 A blogger code of conduct? at Wired Gecko Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:16:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347672 [...] is not alone in his thoughts about the proposed code of conduct either. As Dave Winer points out, Jeff Jarvis commented that O’Reilly has really done bloggers a disservice by setting “us up to be called [...] [...] is not alone in his thoughts about the proposed code of conduct either. As Dave Winer points out, Jeff Jarvis commented that O’Reilly has really done bloggers a disservice by setting “us up to be called [...]

]]> By: Dave Hackett http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347663 Dave Hackett Thu, 12 Apr 2007 04:46:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347663 And you didn't even get to the part about calling the cops. This code would have bloggers privately demand retractions from "offensive" commenters (sort of gaming the system from behind the scenes) and threaten police intervention as a hammer against the defiant. This code throws friendly fire not just at Section 230 but the 1st Amendment. And you didn’t even get to the part about calling the cops. This code would have bloggers privately demand retractions from “offensive” commenters (sort of gaming the system from behind the scenes) and threaten police intervention as a hammer against the defiant. This code throws friendly fire not just at Section 230 but the 1st Amendment.

]]> By: American Pundit » Blog Archive » More on the Bloggers’ Code of Conduct http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347642 American Pundit » Blog Archive » More on the Bloggers’ Code of Conduct Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:54:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347642 [...] know, I, like Buzzmachine, was hoping this whole “Blogger Code of Conduct” would blow over, as just another [...] [...] know, I, like Buzzmachine, was hoping this whole “Blogger Code of Conduct” would blow over, as just another [...]

]]> By: The Reality Tape » Blog Archive » Κώδικες Δεοντολογίας και Μπανανόφλουδες http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347634 The Reality Tape » Blog Archive » Κώδικες Δεοντολογίας και Μπανανόφλουδες Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:24:27 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/04/09/no-twinkie-badges-here/#comment-347634 [...] late at the party, I am. Το θέμα συζητάει πιο αναλυτικά ο Jeff Jarvis εδώ (περίπου στη μέση του σεντονιού). Σ’ αυτά και άλλα [...] [...] late at the party, I am. Το θέμα συζητάει πιο αναλυτικά ο Jeff Jarvis εδώ (περίπου στη μέση του σεντονιού). Σ’ αυτά και άλλα [...]

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