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	<title>Comments on: Speak only when spoken to</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: SFC B</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/02/speak-only-when-spoken-to/#comment-349344</link>
		<dc:creator>SFC B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 18:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Army Lawyer, a JAG officer, had a really nice take on this.

http://armylawyer.blogsome.com/2007/05/03/army-clarifies-that-which-didnt-really-need-to-be-clarified/

Basically, nothing about the regulation changed, except adding a provision that specifically mentions blogs.  The rules are the same as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Army Lawyer, a JAG officer, had a really nice take on this.</p>
<p><a href="http://armylawyer.blogsome.com/2007/05/03/army-clarifies-that-which-didnt-really-need-to-be-clarified/" rel="nofollow">http://armylawyer.blogsome.com/2007/05/03/army-clarifies-that-which-didnt-really-need-to-be-clarified/</a></p>
<p>Basically, nothing about the regulation changed, except adding a provision that specifically mentions blogs.  The rules are the same as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Tansley - addendum</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/02/speak-only-when-spoken-to/#comment-349248</link>
		<dc:creator>Tansley - addendum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Rob La Gesse:

I agree with you, Rob, to the point at which a soldier's location and duty become involved - in that instance, I think even email should be censored.  It's too easy for a skilled hacker to get access to someone's email account.

However, in instances where we have clear obfuscation and coverup (read: the U.S. military) it becomes necessary to allow whistleblowers and watchdogs a venue...even if they're in uniform.

It has been brought home to us that the 'chain of command' concept does not apply, here.  Officers AND Brass were involved in the Pat Tillman affair - and that has called the entire military apparatus into question as regards honesty.  Let's see...then we have Abu Ghraib, Walter REED, Jessica Lynch... rapes and murders, oh, those rambunctious LADS and GALS (ref: Loser Lynndie England) in our armed forces...tisk, tisk, tisk...

The culture of stonewalling fostered by this moronic administration has spread it's cancer throughout the ranks of the military.  If you can't trust the brass to tell the truth, then it falls to those with the moral conscience and courage to find what methods they can to get the truth out.  They should probably think twice about whether or not to publish the fact that they lack adequate ARMOR PLATING on their vehicles to resist I.E.D.s, but word has to get out somewhere...

Give me a BREAK, La Gesse.  You want 'responsible journalism?'  Try coming up with a responsible MILITARY first...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Rob La Gesse:</p>
<p>I agree with you, Rob, to the point at which a soldier&#8217;s location and duty become involved - in that instance, I think even email should be censored.  It&#8217;s too easy for a skilled hacker to get access to someone&#8217;s email account.</p>
<p>However, in instances where we have clear obfuscation and coverup (read: the U.S. military) it becomes necessary to allow whistleblowers and watchdogs a venue&#8230;even if they&#8217;re in uniform.</p>
<p>It has been brought home to us that the &#8216;chain of command&#8217; concept does not apply, here.  Officers AND Brass were involved in the Pat Tillman affair - and that has called the entire military apparatus into question as regards honesty.  Let&#8217;s see&#8230;then we have Abu Ghraib, Walter REED, Jessica Lynch&#8230; rapes and murders, oh, those rambunctious LADS and GALS (ref: Loser Lynndie England) in our armed forces&#8230;tisk, tisk, tisk&#8230;</p>
<p>The culture of stonewalling fostered by this moronic administration has spread it&#8217;s cancer throughout the ranks of the military.  If you can&#8217;t trust the brass to tell the truth, then it falls to those with the moral conscience and courage to find what methods they can to get the truth out.  They should probably think twice about whether or not to publish the fact that they lack adequate ARMOR PLATING on their vehicles to resist I.E.D.s, but word has to get out somewhere&#8230;</p>
<p>Give me a BREAK, La Gesse.  You want &#8216;responsible journalism?&#8217;  Try coming up with a responsible MILITARY first&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/02/speak-only-when-spoken-to/#comment-349226</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 12:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also have a post on this yesterday at Politics 2.0.

BTW, Jay Rosen is really amazing and I have a lot of respect for him (Jeff is of course also a leader in our field).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also have a post on this yesterday at Politics 2.0.</p>
<p>BTW, Jay Rosen is really amazing and I have a lot of respect for him (Jeff is of course also a leader in our field).</p>
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		<title>By: Lenslinger</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/02/speak-only-when-spoken-to/#comment-349215</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 03:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm all for emerging media, but when you get right down to it, the military isn't about self-expression OR morale-building. It's about blowing up shit and killing people. Not that there's anything wrong with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for emerging media, but when you get right down to it, the military isn&#8217;t about self-expression OR morale-building. It&#8217;s about blowing up shit and killing people. Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob La Gesse</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/02/speak-only-when-spoken-to/#comment-349213</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob La Gesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 03:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

I often agree with you - not this time.  I almost always agree that more information is better then less.  But there are limits.  Phrases like "Operational Security" and "Need to know" aren't Military double-speak.  It's important to control the information that may help those who desire to cause us, or our interests, harm.

If you can agree with that, and if you actually dig a little deeper into this, what has "changed" isn't really a change at all - it's a clarification - if you are posting anything that has anything to do with who you are stationed with, where you are stationed, or what you are doing, it needs cleared.  That is not new.

And I don't buy the censoring soldier's argument - we have never had the type of communication between soldier's and families as we have now.  A thousand miles at sea? No problem - you can have a video chat.  In a forward post in Iraq?  You still have access to snail mail AND the Internet.  Emails can be sent, video chats can occur.

I think you called this one wrong.  There are damned good reasons to set limits on what soldier's can and cannot share with the world.  If you don't understand that, then you've never been in a position where your very life depends on people keeping their mouths shut!

I think this is an example of irresponsible journalism - you are making it sound as if there is a goal to silence our troops - yet you make no argument to support that at all.  You make it sound as if all communications with loved ones have to be approved by some commander, and that is absolutely untrue.

You dropped the ball on this one - you didn't do your homework.  And it shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I often agree with you - not this time.  I almost always agree that more information is better then less.  But there are limits.  Phrases like &#8220;Operational Security&#8221; and &#8220;Need to know&#8221; aren&#8217;t Military double-speak.  It&#8217;s important to control the information that may help those who desire to cause us, or our interests, harm.</p>
<p>If you can agree with that, and if you actually dig a little deeper into this, what has &#8220;changed&#8221; isn&#8217;t really a change at all - it&#8217;s a clarification - if you are posting anything that has anything to do with who you are stationed with, where you are stationed, or what you are doing, it needs cleared.  That is not new.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t buy the censoring soldier&#8217;s argument - we have never had the type of communication between soldier&#8217;s and families as we have now.  A thousand miles at sea? No problem - you can have a video chat.  In a forward post in Iraq?  You still have access to snail mail AND the Internet.  Emails can be sent, video chats can occur.</p>
<p>I think you called this one wrong.  There are damned good reasons to set limits on what soldier&#8217;s can and cannot share with the world.  If you don&#8217;t understand that, then you&#8217;ve never been in a position where your very life depends on people keeping their mouths shut!</p>
<p>I think this is an example of irresponsible journalism - you are making it sound as if there is a goal to silence our troops - yet you make no argument to support that at all.  You make it sound as if all communications with loved ones have to be approved by some commander, and that is absolutely untrue.</p>
<p>You dropped the ball on this one - you didn&#8217;t do your homework.  And it shows.</p>
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