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		<title>By: Rupe's Tough Love For MySpace: Kissing Up to Zuckerberg &#124; BoomTown &#124; Kara Swisher &#124; AllThingsD</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-350951</link>
		<dc:creator>Rupe's Tough Love For MySpace: Kissing Up to Zuckerberg &#124; BoomTown &#124; Kara Swisher &#124; AllThingsD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with whom Murdoch had a friendly Vulcan melding of the minds over dinner, according to a firsthand report by BuzzMachine&#8217;s Jeff Jarvis, at a May gathering of News Corp.&#8217;s newspaper and online [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with whom Murdoch had a friendly Vulcan melding of the minds over dinner, according to a firsthand report by BuzzMachine&#8217;s Jeff Jarvis, at a May gathering of News Corp.&#8217;s newspaper and online [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349912</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 20:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is kind of off topic. THE MEDIAM hasa song called "RUPERT MURDOCH". You can listen to it at themediam.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is kind of off topic. THE MEDIAM hasa song called &#8220;RUPERT MURDOCH&#8221;. You can listen to it at themediam.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Week in Review &#171; ValueWiki Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349637</link>
		<dc:creator>Week in Review &#171; ValueWiki Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 17:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] *My Dinner With Rupert - Jeff Jarvis blogs about his dinner with Fox Interactive&#8217;s Rupert Murdoch and Facebook&#8217;s Mark Zuckerberg and Gawker Media&#8217;s Nick Denton. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] *My Dinner With Rupert - Jeff Jarvis blogs about his dinner with Fox Interactive&#8217;s Rupert Murdoch and Facebook&#8217;s Mark Zuckerberg and Gawker Media&#8217;s Nick Denton. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Stabe &#187; links for 2007-05-08</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349431</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Stabe &#187; links for 2007-05-08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 12:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine: My dinner with Rupert Jarvis dines with Murdoch&#8230; (tags: myspace facebook gawker online newspapers rupertmurdoch newscorp) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ian Schafer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rupert with a Side of Zuckerberg</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349415</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Schafer &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rupert with a Side of Zuckerberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis gives a detailed account of his dinner with the Rupester, as well as a panel he moderated featuring Nick Denton (Gawker) and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tansley - addendum</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349408</link>
		<dc:creator>Tansley - addendum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 21:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm going to refrain from addressing all the simpering hero-worship of Murdoch here, directly, and point out the obvious elephant in the room:

   Yes, Murdoch is a good businessman.  So was Andrew Carnegie.  So was J.P. Morgan.  The latter two were also a couple of the biggest S.O.B.'s in business history.  Being a good businessman means one thing and one thing only: being good at making money, whether it's for one's self or one's shareholders.  Any discussion of ethics doesn't even enter into the picture.

   Fox has gone from being a reputable news source to one of the biggest media ho organizations in history - bringing us such scintillating nitwits as Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.  I would like to add that in the area of news reporting, CREDIBILITY is a major factor in what is defined as 'good business.'  Take away that, as Fox has, and at this point I see little to distinguish it from Britain's THE SUN, or our own homegrown NATIONAL ENQUIRER: it's simply become a spin-bay. (As for O'Reilly's 'No-Spin Zone,' let us not forget the very best spin doctor of the last century...Herr Doktor Joseph Goebbels, for whom O'Reilly is a an excellent heir....'tell the lie loud enough, and long enough, and they'll BELIEVE it...'  '...ain't nobody here but us CHICKENS!')

    If this is what passes as an example of good business, then I look forward to seeing Citizen Murdoch's Dow Jones employees out on th' STREET, where they belong.  Forward thinking he may be, but it's quite easy to see this as a potential kiss of DEATH for Dow Jones.

    You're brave, Jeff.  I don't think I would have sat at that table without a FOOD-TASTER at my elbow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to refrain from addressing all the simpering hero-worship of Murdoch here, directly, and point out the obvious elephant in the room:</p>
<p>   Yes, Murdoch is a good businessman.  So was Andrew Carnegie.  So was J.P. Morgan.  The latter two were also a couple of the biggest S.O.B.&#8217;s in business history.  Being a good businessman means one thing and one thing only: being good at making money, whether it&#8217;s for one&#8217;s self or one&#8217;s shareholders.  Any discussion of ethics doesn&#8217;t even enter into the picture.</p>
<p>   Fox has gone from being a reputable news source to one of the biggest media ho organizations in history - bringing us such scintillating nitwits as Bill O&#8217;Reilly and Sean Hannity.  I would like to add that in the area of news reporting, CREDIBILITY is a major factor in what is defined as &#8216;good business.&#8217;  Take away that, as Fox has, and at this point I see little to distinguish it from Britain&#8217;s THE SUN, or our own homegrown NATIONAL ENQUIRER: it&#8217;s simply become a spin-bay. (As for O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s &#8216;No-Spin Zone,&#8217; let us not forget the very best spin doctor of the last century&#8230;Herr Doktor Joseph Goebbels, for whom O&#8217;Reilly is a an excellent heir&#8230;.&#8217;tell the lie loud enough, and long enough, and they&#8217;ll BELIEVE it&#8230;&#8217;  &#8216;&#8230;ain&#8217;t nobody here but us CHICKENS!&#8217;)</p>
<p>    If this is what passes as an example of good business, then I look forward to seeing Citizen Murdoch&#8217;s Dow Jones employees out on th&#8217; STREET, where they belong.  Forward thinking he may be, but it&#8217;s quite easy to see this as a potential kiss of DEATH for Dow Jones.</p>
<p>    You&#8217;re brave, Jeff.  I don&#8217;t think I would have sat at that table without a FOOD-TASTER at my elbow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-05-07 &#124; jamesmitchell.co.uk</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349406</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-05-07 &#124; jamesmitchell.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 20:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My dinner with Rupert Jeff Jarvis: &#8220;The note slipped under my hotel room door read: &#8216;You have been invited to join Rupert Murdoch at his table tonight.&#8217;&#8221; (tags: rupert+murdoch journalism news+international future newspapers) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My dinner with Rupert Jeff Jarvis: &#8220;The note slipped under my hotel room door read: &#8216;You have been invited to join Rupert Murdoch at his table tonight.&#8217;&#8221; (tags: rupert+murdoch journalism news+international future newspapers) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The False Choice of New Media OR Old Media &#124; Verge New Media</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349402</link>
		<dc:creator>The False Choice of New Media OR Old Media &#124; Verge New Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you&#8217;ll find the winners. Don&#8217;t believe me? Then why are guys like Jeff Jarvis having dinner with Rupert Murdoch and making deals with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kent Krizik</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349397</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Krizik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 17:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with your observation about the relative independence Murdoch gives his various properties. On two separate occasions I've had Fox owned television station News Directors tell me that working for Murdoch is much better than most TV groups - that they are largely free to pursue their editorial agendas locally without any interference from corporate. Financial matters are are different story however. Which just supports the idea that despite any real or imagined political agendas, Murdoch is a businessman first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with your observation about the relative independence Murdoch gives his various properties. On two separate occasions I&#8217;ve had Fox owned television station News Directors tell me that working for Murdoch is much better than most TV groups - that they are largely free to pursue their editorial agendas locally without any interference from corporate. Financial matters are are different story however. Which just supports the idea that despite any real or imagined political agendas, Murdoch is a businessman first.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349396</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 16:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the sweet smell of sycophancy. The eager forelock-tugging. You're getting good at this, Jeff.

"As I ended my uncharacteristically brief spiel, he held his hands out to applaud, cocked and ready. Then he saw that no one else was going to do likewise, so he dropped them. I took that as an ovation."

At last, a commoner receives recognition from his King!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the sweet smell of sycophancy. The eager forelock-tugging. You&#8217;re getting good at this, Jeff.</p>
<p>&#8220;As I ended my uncharacteristically brief spiel, he held his hands out to applaud, cocked and ready. Then he saw that no one else was going to do likewise, so he dropped them. I took that as an ovation.&#8221;</p>
<p>At last, a commoner receives recognition from his King!</p>
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		<title>By: But will you get invited to the &#8220;other side&#8217;s&#8221; dinners now? &#124; The Media Drop</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349392</link>
		<dc:creator>But will you get invited to the &#8220;other side&#8217;s&#8221; dinners now? &#124; The Media Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 14:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pours over media the way that I do. Well, when I have the time. This morning, Chris Thilk IMed me this gem of a post from Jeff Jarvis, where he&#8217;s talking about having participated in an event with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pours over media the way that I do. Well, when I have the time. This morning, Chris Thilk IMed me this gem of a post from Jeff Jarvis, where he&#8217;s talking about having participated in an event with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349391</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 14:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very impressed! Both that Jeff knows everyone and is everywhere I wish I could be. But at a deeper level what this represents to New Media more generally.

When the Rupert Murdoch's and Michael Dell's of the world start taking us seriously, seeking one (or more) of us out, whining and dining us!, etc. it shows that we have arrived.

I don't mean we as in individuals, I mean we in terms of the medium.

I think more focus could occur, if others agree, on what our role currently is (new media, bloggers, etc., and what it could be and should be).

So much of this is in flux. Like many, Politics 2.0 continually does posts looking at the issues across many areas. How do politicians interact with new media (e.g. Joe Anthony MySpace ongoing saga, Politics 2.0 has had a dozen contacts from Joe Anthony recently and broken some news there), how do corporations react to New Media? How does traditional media react to new media (e.g. candidate debates tapes available on Internet?), how do bloggers relate to each other (codes of conduct, Jimmy Wales).

I'd like to see a bit more structure. Here's why. In the wild wild west, when you had outlaws then you needed to have sheriffs to reign them in. A little better, but the sherriffs could be just as brazen, perhaps, as anybody else (or maybe it was just difficult to control the outlaws), and overall, not having lived there but a sense, the fastest guns or other overt power often ruled the day.

When you have paradigm shift you have great opportunities, but also potential for chaos, abuse and mayhem.

I don't want to see that at all.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very impressed! Both that Jeff knows everyone and is everywhere I wish I could be. But at a deeper level what this represents to New Media more generally.</p>
<p>When the Rupert Murdoch&#8217;s and Michael Dell&#8217;s of the world start taking us seriously, seeking one (or more) of us out, whining and dining us!, etc. it shows that we have arrived.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean we as in individuals, I mean we in terms of the medium.</p>
<p>I think more focus could occur, if others agree, on what our role currently is (new media, bloggers, etc., and what it could be and should be).</p>
<p>So much of this is in flux. Like many, Politics 2.0 continually does posts looking at the issues across many areas. How do politicians interact with new media (e.g. Joe Anthony MySpace ongoing saga, Politics 2.0 has had a dozen contacts from Joe Anthony recently and broken some news there), how do corporations react to New Media? How does traditional media react to new media (e.g. candidate debates tapes available on Internet?), how do bloggers relate to each other (codes of conduct, Jimmy Wales).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see a bit more structure. Here&#8217;s why. In the wild wild west, when you had outlaws then you needed to have sheriffs to reign them in. A little better, but the sherriffs could be just as brazen, perhaps, as anybody else (or maybe it was just difficult to control the outlaws), and overall, not having lived there but a sense, the fastest guns or other overt power often ruled the day.</p>
<p>When you have paradigm shift you have great opportunities, but also potential for chaos, abuse and mayhem.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to see that at all.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349390</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 12:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie,
I've worked for good moguls and bad and I've worked for public companies good and bad. Moguldom itself does not confer virtue or evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,<br />
I&#8217;ve worked for good moguls and bad and I&#8217;ve worked for public companies good and bad. Moguldom itself does not confer virtue or evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Beckett</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/06/my-dinner-with-rupert/#comment-349388</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Beckett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 11:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get over yourself Jeff! But seriously, a fascinating account. Some of us have never been quite so frightened of Mr Murdoch personally. The problem was never whether he was a nasty chap. He may well be "a gracious and charming mogul" but any kind of mogul is a potential problem. The fact that he is future-looking and likes the idea of a more networked journalism doesn't make him any less of a possible threat to the benefits that real networked journalism may bring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get over yourself Jeff! But seriously, a fascinating account. Some of us have never been quite so frightened of Mr Murdoch personally. The problem was never whether he was a nasty chap. He may well be &#8220;a gracious and charming mogul&#8221; but any kind of mogul is a potential problem. The fact that he is future-looking and likes the idea of a more networked journalism doesn&#8217;t make him any less of a possible threat to the benefits that real networked journalism may bring.</p>
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