Comments on: Pay no attention http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/ by Jeff Jarvis Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:33:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: chico haas http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351548 chico haas Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:16:07 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351548 "1) most readers have never really wanted “objectivity” in news;" Whether or not such a thing is delivered - when did THAT become what most people want? Certainly it's an argument for citizen journalmaking, but it's completely at odds with the essence of journalism. “1) most readers have never really wanted “objectivity” in news;”

Whether or not such a thing is delivered - when did THAT become what most people want? Certainly it’s an argument for citizen journalmaking, but it’s completely at odds with the essence of journalism.

]]> By: Jay Rosen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351538 Jay Rosen Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:50:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351538 <i>Sigh</i>. Sigh.

]]> By: David Rogers http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351493 David Rogers Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:04:28 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351493 When Mr. Hamill said, '..sit in a building and "call up" all the statements', I reflexively switched on the BS filter, pretty much dismissing anything he had to say about the Internet and blogging as too out of touch to be seriously taken into account. No doubt I am at fault for delivering such snap judgements (not doing any better than Pete), but I immediately assumed he was one of those folks who will brag and bluster about how well they have made it in life without ever having touched a computer. Notwithstanding the fact that Mr. Hamill is a legendary writer and reporter, that series of tubes we know as the Internet is one scoop that he should have dug a little deeper on before going to press. When Mr. Hamill said, ‘..sit in a building and “call up” all the statements’, I reflexively switched on the BS filter, pretty much dismissing anything he had to say about the Internet and blogging as too out of touch to be seriously taken into account. No doubt I am at fault for delivering such snap judgements (not doing any better than Pete), but I immediately assumed he was one of those folks who will brag and bluster about how well they have made it in life without ever having touched a computer. Notwithstanding the fact that Mr. Hamill is a legendary writer and reporter, that series of tubes we know as the Internet is one scoop that he should have dug a little deeper on before going to press.

]]> By: Ruth http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351491 Ruth Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:56:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351491 Actually, for those of us now not living in easy range of 116th street, its a viewpoint we can add by blogging with you who do. The blogging is a good addition to our insights because altho it throws in the inauthentic along with valid deep thinkers, you can see that also in the streets. Love Jeff's advice, and anyone who is advising any student to cut out some aspect of experience is really not allowing himself to look at what he's saying. Actually, for those of us now not living in easy range of 116th street, its a viewpoint we can add by blogging with you who do. The blogging is a good addition to our insights because altho it throws in the inauthentic along with valid deep thinkers, you can see that also in the streets.

Love Jeff’s advice, and anyone who is advising any student to cut out some aspect of experience is really not allowing himself to look at what he’s saying.

]]> By: SpaceyG http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351482 SpaceyG Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:28:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351482 Bloggers alone have given the well-known, ancient, politico-journalist tavern, Manuel's, here in Atlanta a whole new life with a another generation of paying clientelle. Especially since they added wi-fi. It's an old/new media mashup almost any day of the week, particularly Tuesdays. I suggest that clueless windbags who don't blog get out of their gated communities a little more before shooting off their clueless windbag mouths so much, because whatever you do, hanging out in bars always furthers the story. And funny, last time I checked, it also gets my videos written about in old media COLUMNS the next day too. Bloggers alone have given the well-known, ancient, politico-journalist tavern, Manuel’s, here in Atlanta a whole new life with a another generation of paying clientelle. Especially since they added wi-fi. It’s an old/new media mashup almost any day of the week, particularly Tuesdays.

I suggest that clueless windbags who don’t blog get out of their gated communities a little more before shooting off their clueless windbag mouths so much, because whatever you do, hanging out in bars always furthers the story. And funny, last time I checked, it also gets my videos written about in old media COLUMNS the next day too.

]]> By: Matt http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351480 Matt Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:58:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351480 I will say one thing - I think too many people/bloggers/reporters forget that you can get some great stories by going outside or going to a bar or picking up a phone from time to time. It's too easy to rely on strictly digital reporting. I will say one thing - I think too many people/bloggers/reporters forget that you can get some great stories by going outside or going to a bar or picking up a phone from time to time. It’s too easy to rely on strictly digital reporting.

]]> By: Jim http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351471 Jim Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:07:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351471 By the way, the <a href="http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/episodes/2007/06/15/segments/80592" rel="nofollow">audio</a> for today's follow-up discussion is up at WNYC now. -Jim (Brian Lehrer Show producer) By the way, the audio for today’s follow-up discussion is up at WNYC now.

-Jim
(Brian Lehrer Show producer)

]]> By: Mike G http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351466 Mike G Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:35:56 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351466 Columnist disses people who write like columnists. Institutional voice more important than individuality, says legendary voice of New York. That's basically what he said. Columnist disses people who write like columnists.

Institutional voice more important than individuality, says legendary voice of New York.

That’s basically what he said.

]]> By: BW http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351462 BW Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:24:27 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351462 There's so much irony here I'm tangled all up in it - a) Overdependence on the internet keeps reporter from "going to 116th street and seeing the change over from Puerto Rican culture to Mexican culture." b) Journalists should not waste time blogging. c) Journalists can now LIVE on 116th street, and blog about it on the internet. Mix all that up together, give it a shake, voila. There’s so much irony here I’m tangled all up in it -

a) Overdependence on the internet keeps reporter from “going to 116th street and seeing the change over from Puerto Rican culture to Mexican culture.”
b) Journalists should not waste time blogging.
c) Journalists can now LIVE on 116th street, and blog about it on the internet.

Mix all that up together, give it a shake, voila.

]]> By: Steve Boriss http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351461 Steve Boriss Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:00:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351461 Actually, journalism students (and journalists), I would suggest taking Hamill's advice in reverse. After all, would you take advice on how to survive as a species from a dinosaur? You really must start a blog to learn what you need to unlearn about Journalism, for example: 1) most readers have never really wanted “objectivity” in news; 2) you are not as unbiased as you think you are nor is anyone else; 3) your claims to provide more highly verified information, even if true, will not necessarily give you an edge in gaining your readers’ trust; and 4) like it or not, you must respect the tastes of your audience because, in the end, it is they who will decide what “news” is. (Steve Boriss, <a href="http://www.thefutureofnews.com" rel="nofollow">The Future of News</a>) Actually, journalism students (and journalists), I would suggest taking Hamill’s advice in reverse. After all, would you take advice on how to survive as a species from a dinosaur? You really must start a blog to learn what you need to unlearn about Journalism, for example: 1) most readers have never really wanted “objectivity” in news; 2) you are not as unbiased as you think you are nor is anyone else; 3) your claims to provide more highly verified information, even if true, will not necessarily give you an edge in gaining your readers’ trust; and 4) like it or not, you must respect the tastes of your audience because, in the end, it is they who will decide what “news” is. (Steve Boriss, The Future of News)

]]> By: Sinker http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351453 Sinker Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:01:35 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/15/pay-no-attention/#comment-351453 Re: The advice to J-school students to not waste their time with blogs. Funny, as a journalism teacher myself, my final lecture this semester in all my classes was that they needed to START blogging. The journalism industry is still figuring out how to adapt to the changes at foot and students coming out of J-school with a good understanding of how blogs work and why they are powerful have a HUGE leg up on those that come out without it. Re: The advice to J-school students to not waste their time with blogs.

Funny, as a journalism teacher myself, my final lecture this semester in all my classes was that they needed to START blogging. The journalism industry is still figuring out how to adapt to the changes at foot and students coming out of J-school with a good understanding of how blogs work and why they are powerful have a HUGE leg up on those that come out without it.

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