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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Stalkk.ed Bookmarks del 9 Agosto 2007 [del.icio.us] &#124; Stalkk.ed</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/30/a-publicly-supported-internet/#comment-356427</link>
		<dc:creator>Stalkk.ed Bookmarks del 9 Agosto 2007 [del.icio.us] &#124; Stalkk.ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» A publicly supported internet - Alcuni concetti di open infrastructure. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-07-10 &#171; David Black</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/30/a-publicly-supported-internet/#comment-354505</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-07-10 &#171; David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» A publicly supported internet Ideas sparked by Tom Loosemore joining Ofcom to work on PSP: &#8220;Make all government information and actions open to public scrutiny. Turn us loose and we call become reporters.&#8221; (tags: internet bbc ofcom psp) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» A publicly supported internet Ideas sparked by Tom Loosemore joining Ofcom to work on PSP: &#8220;Make all government information and actions open to public scrutiny. Turn us loose and we call become reporters.&#8221; (tags: internet bbc ofcom psp) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will Pollard</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/30/a-publicly-supported-internet/#comment-354253</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Pollard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An article in the Guardian is relevant

http://education.guardian.co.uk/elearning/story/0,,2116835,00.html

I think it shows a bit of a blur between blogs and journals

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Dr Timo Hannay, director of web publishing at Nature Publishing Group, which runs Nature Network, says no one could mistake the site for a peer-reviewed journal; it is more "cafe chat". "If a user made outlandish scientific claims that were potentially misleading, we would take them off," he says.

He predicts that scientists who post comments, blogs and data from experiments on sites like Nature Network will eventually be allowed to count these as part of their research output. "We are increasingly seeing the online world with its informal rapid communications complement the slower, more formal communications of academic journals," he says. "There should be a way of measuring the impact of a scientist who posts comments on a site like Nature Network. These could be added to their publishing record for the research assessment exercise [in which every active researcher in every university in the UK is assessed by panels of other academics]. I think the funding bodies will see that these contributions add to the scientific knowledge base."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An article in the Guardian is relevant</p>
<p><a href="http://education.guardian.co.uk/elearning/story/0,,2116835,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://education.guardian.co.uk/elearning/story/0,,2116835,00.html</a></p>
<p>I think it shows a bit of a blur between blogs and journals</p>
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<p>Dr Timo Hannay, director of web publishing at Nature Publishing Group, which runs Nature Network, says no one could mistake the site for a peer-reviewed journal; it is more &#8220;cafe chat&#8221;. &#8220;If a user made outlandish scientific claims that were potentially misleading, we would take them off,&#8221; he says.</p>
<p>He predicts that scientists who post comments, blogs and data from experiments on sites like Nature Network will eventually be allowed to count these as part of their research output. &#8220;We are increasingly seeing the online world with its informal rapid communications complement the slower, more formal communications of academic journals,&#8221; he says. &#8220;There should be a way of measuring the impact of a scientist who posts comments on a site like Nature Network. These could be added to their publishing record for the research assessment exercise [in which every active researcher in every university in the UK is assessed by panels of other academics]. I think the funding bodies will see that these contributions add to the scientific knowledge base.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: purple motes &#187; COB-12: the art of bureaucracy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/30/a-publicly-supported-internet/#comment-354046</link>
		<dc:creator>purple motes &#187; COB-12: the art of bureaucracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That's terrible. Perhaps an OFCOM public-service publishing (PSP) initiative can help to increase awareness of the importance of communications [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That&#8217;s terrible. Perhaps an OFCOM public-service publishing (PSP) initiative can help to increase awareness of the importance of communications [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/06/30/a-publicly-supported-internet/#comment-353991</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An "open education infrastructure" explosion is certainly in progress. Both enormous state universties and small liberal arts colleges  are jumping on the online learning bandwagon to complete for education dollars with private vendors. 

More importantly, look at what corporatization has done to politics, journalism, religion and popular culture in this country, and extend that to education and you'll get an idea of what has been happening to the biggest employer in the United States in terms of people employed. 

The revolution will not be accredited, however, and that is where the analogy tends to break down a bit.  A "good, standard infrastructure" for granting online credits probably already exists at least in nascent form, and university students are already joining in with other online students in ways that are not sanctioned or supervised by education authorities. 

There is nothing stopping anyone from developing their own course and posting it online to share with whomever would take an interest and pay. Administrators and accrediting bodies who issue the professoriate's marching orders want 15 "contact" hours a week for 15 weeks, or the equivalent of that with learning goals that transfer readily from one institution to another and that aren't redundant, redactive, or ridiculous. Telling personal stories is not going to take up that much time, I don't care how traveled and self-absorbed the Internet instructor might be. Eventually, the lay instructor is going to have to find good, thought-provoking content by relying on other authors and deliver the material in a way that does hopefully a bit more for the students than make class fun to be in an open, virtual classroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An &#8220;open education infrastructure&#8221; explosion is certainly in progress. Both enormous state universties and small liberal arts colleges  are jumping on the online learning bandwagon to complete for education dollars with private vendors. </p>
<p>More importantly, look at what corporatization has done to politics, journalism, religion and popular culture in this country, and extend that to education and you&#8217;ll get an idea of what has been happening to the biggest employer in the United States in terms of people employed. </p>
<p>The revolution will not be accredited, however, and that is where the analogy tends to break down a bit.  A &#8220;good, standard infrastructure&#8221; for granting online credits probably already exists at least in nascent form, and university students are already joining in with other online students in ways that are not sanctioned or supervised by education authorities. </p>
<p>There is nothing stopping anyone from developing their own course and posting it online to share with whomever would take an interest and pay. Administrators and accrediting bodies who issue the professoriate&#8217;s marching orders want 15 &#8220;contact&#8221; hours a week for 15 weeks, or the equivalent of that with learning goals that transfer readily from one institution to another and that aren&#8217;t redundant, redactive, or ridiculous. Telling personal stories is not going to take up that much time, I don&#8217;t care how traveled and self-absorbed the Internet instructor might be. Eventually, the lay instructor is going to have to find good, thought-provoking content by relying on other authors and deliver the material in a way that does hopefully a bit more for the students than make class fun to be in an open, virtual classroom.</p>
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		<title>By: robertdfeinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertdfeinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of decoupled advertising is an interesting one. There is now always some question about stories on PBS and NPR since they accept corporate funds.

If the advertising were hands off (like Google adsense) then one could keep editorial independence.

As for the use of public funds for public media, why not? I realize libertarians don't believe in this for philosophical reasons, but we have lots of areas that are publicly funded. The trick is to keep the funding at a distance (like the highway trust fund).

The BBC works pretty well with the TV tax, but it is flawed because the government gets to pick the head. Governance remains a sticky issue, but how much governance control does the public have over CBS or NBC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of decoupled advertising is an interesting one. There is now always some question about stories on PBS and NPR since they accept corporate funds.</p>
<p>If the advertising were hands off (like Google adsense) then one could keep editorial independence.</p>
<p>As for the use of public funds for public media, why not? I realize libertarians don&#8217;t believe in this for philosophical reasons, but we have lots of areas that are publicly funded. The trick is to keep the funding at a distance (like the highway trust fund).</p>
<p>The BBC works pretty well with the TV tax, but it is flawed because the government gets to pick the head. Governance remains a sticky issue, but how much governance control does the public have over CBS or NBC?</p>
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