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		<title>By: weblog.histnet.ch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collective preservation of history - two projects from Poland</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-366864</link>
		<dc:creator>weblog.histnet.ch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collective preservation of history - two projects from Poland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] projects encourage internet users to take part in the preservation of history. Ken Burst even use a term &#8220;citizen historians&#8221; (like citizen journalists), describing the possibility of gathering and resaerching history by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] projects encourage internet users to take part in the preservation of history. Ken Burst even use a term &#8220;citizen historians&#8221; (like citizen journalists), describing the possibility of gathering and resaerching history by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SFC B</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354602</link>
		<dc:creator>SFC B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me old fashioned, but for some reason I trust the Library of Congress to be a more lasting place to store interviews of WWII veterans than YouTube.  Besides, I didn&#039;t see anything in there which would prohibit the producers of these interviewers to also upload their interviews to YouTube and its ilk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me old fashioned, but for some reason I trust the Library of Congress to be a more lasting place to store interviews of WWII veterans than YouTube.  Besides, I didn&#8217;t see anything in there which would prohibit the producers of these interviewers to also upload their interviews to YouTube and its ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Anstead &#187; links for 2007-07-10</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354538</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Anstead &#187; links for 2007-07-10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine: Citizen historians A new way to gather primary historical information? (tags: History citizens YouTube) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-07-10 at Framtider.net</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354535</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-07-10 at Framtider.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» Citizen historians (tags: toread) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Must Reads Week of 7-6 &#171; Blog Headers Suck</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354523</link>
		<dc:creator>Must Reads Week of 7-6 &#171; Blog Headers Suck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis on Ken Burns&#8217; attempt at citizen journalism  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas R. Clifford</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354469</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas R. Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea...in theory.

Inviting the public to turn on their cameras is the easy part. I think creating a designated &quot;home&quot; for these stories the general population can discover and access easily is going to be the real challenge.

FIrst off, there is so much &quot;noise&quot; on YouTube it makes finding real &quot;gems&quot; a difficult task. 

While having these stories available on YouTube would have been a nice addition, I imagine there are a lot of eyeballs like mine that do not spend any time there, simply because of the &quot;noise.&quot; We wouldn&#039;t notice if they were there or not.

Creating a new &quot;home&quot; whose sole mission is to share historical stories like Burns proposes will be, IMHO, the quantum leap in the land of &quot;story 2.0.&quot; Make it topic specific...easy to watch...easy to share.

Too bad Burns couldn&#039;t create such a home himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea&#8230;in theory.</p>
<p>Inviting the public to turn on their cameras is the easy part. I think creating a designated &#8220;home&#8221; for these stories the general population can discover and access easily is going to be the real challenge.</p>
<p>FIrst off, there is so much &#8220;noise&#8221; on YouTube it makes finding real &#8220;gems&#8221; a difficult task. </p>
<p>While having these stories available on YouTube would have been a nice addition, I imagine there are a lot of eyeballs like mine that do not spend any time there, simply because of the &#8220;noise.&#8221; We wouldn&#8217;t notice if they were there or not.</p>
<p>Creating a new &#8220;home&#8221; whose sole mission is to share historical stories like Burns proposes will be, IMHO, the quantum leap in the land of &#8220;story 2.0.&#8221; Make it topic specific&#8230;easy to watch&#8230;easy to share.</p>
<p>Too bad Burns couldn&#8217;t create such a home himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354360</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea from Ken Burns.  My son did an interview on his college station, with a WWII vet who escaped from prison camp, made his way back to our guys, and was prosecuted because the Allies had asked GI&#039;s not to escape as it made it rough on the ones left behind.  Fascinating.  The vet is dead now, glad the Kid captured this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea from Ken Burns.  My son did an interview on his college station, with a WWII vet who escaped from prison camp, made his way back to our guys, and was prosecuted because the Allies had asked GI&#8217;s not to escape as it made it rough on the ones left behind.  Fascinating.  The vet is dead now, glad the Kid captured this.</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354332</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like and admire Ken Burns. I would call his work predictable more than dull. It even makes me cry.

But here is what I wonder about, and I say in advance that it is a concern I will probably have to get over in the era of networked, citizen-based  content produced everywhere from backyards to garages to white hoyse press conferences.

It&#039;s that I can&#039;t stop being a little skeptical every time I hear a clarion call from a  successful media producer that all the citizens (I read &quot;little people&quot;) should start gathering content as part of some grand, noble civic project.

I see a lot of grand, noble civic projects that are nothing more than get me some free content so I can make some money.

After VA Tech, I&#039;ll never the networks begging for a flowering of civic journalism and asking for cell phone camera or other video. Yet what they wanted -- in their instant conversion to the citizen-based impulse -- was a money-shot of some student bleeding or falling out of a window or something like it.

So forgive me if I am at least skeptical when Burns wants citizens to start making video. I mean, I think we all shoul be doing what he suggests.

But i can&#039;t avoid doing what Mark Felt once told Woodstein to do: &quot;Follow the money.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like and admire Ken Burns. I would call his work predictable more than dull. It even makes me cry.</p>
<p>But here is what I wonder about, and I say in advance that it is a concern I will probably have to get over in the era of networked, citizen-based  content produced everywhere from backyards to garages to white hoyse press conferences.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s that I can&#8217;t stop being a little skeptical every time I hear a clarion call from a  successful media producer that all the citizens (I read &#8220;little people&#8221;) should start gathering content as part of some grand, noble civic project.</p>
<p>I see a lot of grand, noble civic projects that are nothing more than get me some free content so I can make some money.</p>
<p>After VA Tech, I&#8217;ll never the networks begging for a flowering of civic journalism and asking for cell phone camera or other video. Yet what they wanted &#8212; in their instant conversion to the citizen-based impulse &#8212; was a money-shot of some student bleeding or falling out of a window or something like it.</p>
<p>So forgive me if I am at least skeptical when Burns wants citizens to start making video. I mean, I think we all shoul be doing what he suggests.</p>
<p>But i can&#8217;t avoid doing what Mark Felt once told Woodstein to do: &#8220;Follow the money.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: andy carvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354310</link>
		<dc:creator>andy carvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, some stations like KETC in St. Louis &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/group/ketcyourstories&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;are indeed using YouTube&lt;/a&gt;, as well as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2355883772&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, to give community members multiple options for submitting stories. And like Jon said, the lack of Creative Commons on YouTube still gives some of us pause. 

Meanwhile, PBS has also developed a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ketc.org/yourstories/submit.asp?page=5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;telephone interface&lt;/a&gt; allowing folks to call in their stories, record a voicemail, and have it available for the public via various pbs station websites. The tool is still being tweaked, but a few stations like KECT and WETA are already deploying it. (full disclosure - I&#039;ve been helping PBS teach local stations about user-generated content in regards to the phone interface.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, some stations like KETC in St. Louis <a href="http://www.youtube.com/group/ketcyourstories" rel="nofollow">are indeed using YouTube</a>, as well as <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2355883772" rel="nofollow">Facebook</a>, to give community members multiple options for submitting stories. And like Jon said, the lack of Creative Commons on YouTube still gives some of us pause. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, PBS has also developed a <a href="http://www.ketc.org/yourstories/submit.asp?page=5" rel="nofollow">telephone interface</a> allowing folks to call in their stories, record a voicemail, and have it available for the public via various pbs station websites. The tool is still being tweaked, but a few stations like KECT and WETA are already deploying it. (full disclosure &#8211; I&#8217;ve been helping PBS teach local stations about user-generated content in regards to the phone interface.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354278</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you think youtube is better than a Ken Burns documentary?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you think youtube is better than a Ken Burns documentary?!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354271</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad irony?

Who&#039;s to say that YouTube &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/t/terms&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;isn&#039;t controlling&lt;/a&gt;? It&#039;s not like it&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://creativecommons.org/video/ourmedia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creative Commons-blessed&lt;/a&gt;. 

The LoC &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.loc.gov/vets/vets-questions.html#faq47&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;answers&lt;/a&gt; this directly: &quot;By donating hard copies of materials, you create a physical archival collection that will become a permanent part of the Library of Congress.&quot; 

StoryCorps is fabulous, but I challenge YouTube (or any of its devotees) to generate as cohesive a series as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4516989&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has appeared on NPR&lt;/a&gt;. There&#039;s no &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/categories&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;YouTube category&lt;/a&gt; for anything resembling &quot;personal narrative as art.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad irony?</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s to say that YouTube <a href="http://www.youtube.com/t/terms" rel="nofollow">isn&#8217;t controlling</a>? It&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s the <a href="http://creativecommons.org/video/ourmedia" rel="nofollow">Creative Commons-blessed</a>. </p>
<p>The LoC <a href="http://www.loc.gov/vets/vets-questions.html#faq47" rel="nofollow">answers</a> this directly: &#8220;By donating hard copies of materials, you create a physical archival collection that will become a permanent part of the Library of Congress.&#8221; </p>
<p>StoryCorps is fabulous, but I challenge YouTube (or any of its devotees) to generate as cohesive a series as <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4516989" rel="nofollow">has appeared on NPR</a>. There&#8217;s no <a href="http://www.youtube.com/categories" rel="nofollow">YouTube category</a> for anything resembling &#8220;personal narrative as art.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Blackshaw</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/05/citizen-historians/#comment-354268</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Blackshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 05:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great call to action, and I&#039;ve no doubt it will result in a wealth of powerful, if not moving, content.  My father is an 83 year old WW II vet and I&#039;ve filmed hours and hours of him talking about all aspects of his war experience.  In so many respects, having an extended conversation with him about his war years had deepened our bond. He never actually saw combat -- he was stationed in both Africa and India during the war with the Air Force -- but his stories are mesmerizing, engaging, just incredible.   With more War Veterans doing this, there&#039;s no question that an entirely new layer of historical understanding will emerge.  And I&#039;m still not finished from my end.  -- Pete Blackshaw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great call to action, and I&#8217;ve no doubt it will result in a wealth of powerful, if not moving, content.  My father is an 83 year old WW II vet and I&#8217;ve filmed hours and hours of him talking about all aspects of his war experience.  In so many respects, having an extended conversation with him about his war years had deepened our bond. He never actually saw combat &#8212; he was stationed in both Africa and India during the war with the Air Force &#8212; but his stories are mesmerizing, engaging, just incredible.   With more War Veterans doing this, there&#8217;s no question that an entirely new layer of historical understanding will emerge.  And I&#8217;m still not finished from my end.  &#8212; Pete Blackshaw</p>
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