Comments on: Cutting the ties that bind http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/ by Jeff Jarvis Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:22:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: B.Auton http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-371098 B.Auton Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:24:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-371098 Lighten up you non tie wearers! You all seem so hung up on trying to be 'modern' or by thinking you're being rebellious by NOT wearing a tie - sheesh, in my experience these days, it is the rebels who DO wear ties so get with it! I agree with BK above and think novelty ties are cool and have about 100 - one for every occasion. They have always created a buzz in the office and all my bosses have liked them in the past as it denotes individuality, personality and a person who doesn't take them themselves too damn seriously! Lighten up you non tie wearers! You all seem so hung up on trying to be ‘modern’ or by thinking you’re being rebellious by NOT wearing a tie - sheesh, in my experience these days, it is the rebels who DO wear ties so get with it! I agree with BK above and think novelty ties are cool and have about 100 - one for every occasion. They have always created a buzz in the office and all my bosses have liked them in the past as it denotes individuality, personality and a person who doesn’t take them themselves too damn seriously!

]]> By: Neckties http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-367817 Neckties Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:49:21 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-367817 Lots of good commentary above. It's a funny thing, but we broke the dress code where I work a couple of years ago, vetoing the boss' request that we all wear ties -- sheesh! -- c'mon -- we are all a bunch of code monkey geeks! But, things change in time now don't they. The new kid they recently hired is a dresser. He wears a tie everyday (except for some Fridays (what a way to live huh!)) -- and he is getting ahead. Moving up the ladder ... fast. So, there you have it ... you can do good work and be overlooked, but if you dress the way your boss wants ... you'll get ahead in life. Anyway, I like novelty ties, that fit occasions, as that is very kewel ... but to dress each do just to go to work and sit at my computer and write html ... I really don't think that is necessary. --BK Lots of good commentary above. It’s a funny thing, but we broke the dress code where I work a couple of years ago, vetoing the boss’ request that we all wear ties — sheesh! — c’mon — we are all a bunch of code monkey geeks!

But, things change in time now don’t they. The new kid they recently hired is a dresser. He wears a tie everyday (except for some Fridays (what a way to live huh!)) — and he is getting ahead. Moving up the ladder … fast.

So, there you have it … you can do good work and be overlooked, but if you dress the way your boss wants … you’ll get ahead in life.

Anyway, I like novelty ties, that fit occasions, as that is very kewel … but to dress each do just to go to work and sit at my computer and write html … I really don’t think that is necessary.

–BK

]]> By: Will Sullivan's Journerdism » 8 mistakes newspapers made; Google and Facebook’s future visions; Metromix menage a trois needed; All Online Data Lost After Internet Crash; Die tie. http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-356096 Will Sullivan's Journerdism » 8 mistakes newspapers made; Google and Facebook’s future visions; Metromix menage a trois needed; All Online Data Lost After Internet Crash; Die tie. Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:32:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-356096 [...] Cutting the ties that bind “Off with the yoke. Damn the tie.” (Via Hartnett … Although he as been known to wear his republican red power tie around the office on occasion.) [...] [...] Cutting the ties that bind “Off with the yoke. Damn the tie.” (Via Hartnett … Although he as been known to wear his republican red power tie around the office on occasion.) [...]

]]> By: links for 2007-07-18 : Greg Palmer http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354781 links for 2007-07-18 : Greg Palmer Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:41:00 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354781 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Cutting the ties that bind Hey, I like ties! (Does that make me a male politician?) (tags: clothes fashion) [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Cutting the ties that bind Hey, I like ties! (Does that make me a male politician?) (tags: clothes fashion) [...]

]]> By: Jim Wellington http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354734 Jim Wellington Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:27:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354734 Men who take off their ties think they are being impressive and young and free. They are not. They are just making fools of themselves. Perhaps Jeremy Paxman should start doing the news with his polished brogues and silk socks off. After all, bare feet are even more comfortable. Men who take off their ties think they are being impressive and young and free. They are not. They are just making fools of themselves.

Perhaps Jeremy Paxman should start doing the news with his polished brogues and silk socks off. After all, bare feet are even more comfortable.

]]> By: Bluey Blog | Robert B. Bluey » What’s Wrong With Wearing a Tie? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354687 Bluey Blog | Robert B. Bluey » What’s Wrong With Wearing a Tie? Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:31:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354687 [...] Wertz is having a necktie dilemma thanks to Jeff Jarvis. She asked me weigh in with my thoughts. While it seems many of her friends would just assume go [...] [...] Wertz is having a necktie dilemma thanks to Jeff Jarvis. She asked me weigh in with my thoughts. While it seems many of her friends would just assume go [...]

]]> By: Mike G http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354545 Mike G Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:15:05 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354545 So are ties still the thing in New York? I think the East Coast is the last holdout-- they clearly don't exist in California and they're fairly rare here in Chicago, certainly you don't still see them in media professions (in fact, the only guys you see wearing them around an ad agency are sales reps, so it's actually kind of a reverse indicator of class). I don't know if they'll go away entirely, but the few professions where they still are worn-- like the high end law firms-- clearly wear them in part because nobody else does; it helps justify the fees to see everybody in Armani complete with tie. So are ties still the thing in New York? I think the East Coast is the last holdout– they clearly don’t exist in California and they’re fairly rare here in Chicago, certainly you don’t still see them in media professions (in fact, the only guys you see wearing them around an ad agency are sales reps, so it’s actually kind of a reverse indicator of class). I don’t know if they’ll go away entirely, but the few professions where they still are worn– like the high end law firms– clearly wear them in part because nobody else does; it helps justify the fees to see everybody in Armani complete with tie.

]]> By: Harry http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354502 Harry Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:47:06 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354502 “When men do wear ties, it makes them more powerful.” . . . Yes, I can bench press 20 more pounds when I'm wearing a tie. “When men do wear ties, it makes them more powerful.” . . .

Yes, I can bench press 20 more pounds when I’m wearing a tie.

]]> By: Center of Attention » The Moderate Voice http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354498 Center of Attention » The Moderate Voice Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:15:57 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354498 [...] This Jeff Jarvis post has nothing to do with politics or anything of any substance, really, but it prompted a smirk this morning, as I thought about my own disdain for the choking constraint of neckties and the Moms everywhere who refuse to let their grown sons completely divorce themselves of this ridiculous wardrobe accessory. [...] [...] This Jeff Jarvis post has nothing to do with politics or anything of any substance, really, but it prompted a smirk this morning, as I thought about my own disdain for the choking constraint of neckties and the Moms everywhere who refuse to let their grown sons completely divorce themselves of this ridiculous wardrobe accessory. [...]

]]> By: Ian Douglas http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354493 Ian Douglas Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:02:58 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354493 Speaking from my position in the Telegraph newsroom, I can see five ties shared between about 40 men. I wear a tie sometimes myself but it's purely for my own entertainment. A choice is good but there are times when a suit does look better with a tie. God save us from dress down Fridays. Speaking from my position in the Telegraph newsroom, I can see five ties shared between about 40 men. I wear a tie sometimes myself but it’s purely for my own entertainment.

A choice is good but there are times when a suit does look better with a tie. God save us from dress down Fridays.

]]> By: Stan Joosten http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354482 Stan Joosten Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:20:42 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354482 Jeff, you are in good company here - albeit a bit late. The late Prince Claus, husband to Dutch Queen Beatrix, on Dec. 14, 1998, during an award speech in Amsterdam called for all men to throw off their 'shackles' (neckties) after which he threw his at the feet of his wife. It was a hilarious moment which many Dutch people will still remember. There was almost a national movement born against wearing neckties, including newscasters following the prince's lead. More about this interesting man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_von_Amsberg Jeff, you are in good company here - albeit a bit late. The late Prince Claus, husband to Dutch Queen Beatrix, on Dec. 14, 1998, during an award speech in Amsterdam called for all men to throw off their ’shackles’ (neckties) after which he threw his at the feet of his wife. It was a hilarious moment which many Dutch people will still remember. There was almost a national movement born against wearing neckties, including newscasters following the prince’s lead. More about this interesting man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_von_Amsberg

]]> By: hillwomp http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354478 hillwomp Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:18:50 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354478 One thing's for sure. Every man looks good in a suit that's clean and pressed and properly coordinated with a fresh shirt and tasteful tie. Only a few have enough natural or learned style to look good in casual wear. Casual offices are demonstrations of why most people shouldn't be allowed to dress themselves. One thing’s for sure. Every man looks good in a suit that’s clean and pressed and properly coordinated with a fresh shirt and tasteful tie. Only a few have enough natural or learned style to look good in casual wear. Casual offices are demonstrations of why most people shouldn’t be allowed to dress themselves.

]]> By: Cooler Heads http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354467 Cooler Heads Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:00:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354467 Jeff, really. You sound like you're having some kind of mid-life crisis. As though never wearing a tie is some kind of "statement." For women, it's like never wearing stockings again. Yep, it might be more comfortable. But if you are in a skirt, dressing to look good, then showing your white, pasty, possibly stubbly legs is just sloppy. True, it shouldn't matter if one prefers to look sloppy. But it's a choice, not the end of dressing well. I think a man in a suit and a great tie is more sexy than a slob in a t-shirt and suit jacket anytime. Good thing you're not trying to attract women, Jeff. Then the no-tie thing will work out great. Jeff, really. You sound like you’re having some kind of mid-life crisis. As though never wearing a tie is some kind of “statement.”

For women, it’s like never wearing stockings again. Yep, it might be more comfortable. But if you are in a skirt, dressing to look good, then showing your white, pasty, possibly stubbly legs is just sloppy.

True, it shouldn’t matter if one prefers to look sloppy. But it’s a choice, not the end of dressing well.

I think a man in a suit and a great tie is more sexy than a slob in a t-shirt and suit jacket anytime. Good thing you’re not trying to attract women, Jeff. Then the no-tie thing will work out great.

]]> By: SteveSgt http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354466 SteveSgt Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:58:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354466 I have always called neck ties, "brain tourniquets". One of the reasons is that people who seem to wear them the most appear to have risen to their level of incompetence faster than most (see Peter Principle). I speculate that when you get to a certain level of success, reducing blood flow to the brain is a way to handicap the competitors. (See Kurt Vonnegut's short story, "Harrison Bergeron".) I have always called neck ties, “brain tourniquets”. One of the reasons is that people who seem to wear them the most appear to have risen to their level of incompetence faster than most (see Peter Principle). I speculate that when you get to a certain level of success, reducing blood flow to the brain is a way to handicap the competitors. (See Kurt Vonnegut’s short story, “Harrison Bergeron”.)

]]> By: Tansley - addendum http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354462 Tansley - addendum Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:00:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354462 Thank God I'm an ARTIST...we're officially exempted from having to wear ties according to the Geneva Convention... Thank God I’m an ARTIST…we’re officially exempted from having to wear ties according to the Geneva Convention…

]]> By: John C Abell http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354456 John C Abell Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:55:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354456 Left to my own devices I'd never wear one again. But I still think it is a gesture of respect when interviewing for a job, just like wearing a suit rather than just good clothes. So if you see me in a tie you know where I'm going --- or if loosened, where I've just been. Left to my own devices I’d never wear one again. But I still think it is a gesture of respect when interviewing for a job, just like wearing a suit rather than just good clothes.

So if you see me in a tie you know where I’m going — or if loosened, where I’ve just been.

]]> By: William M. Hartnett » Blog Archive » A one-off link roundup: 787, ties, blog design, PS3 prices, social networks, cat crack, over-40 pole dancing http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354455 William M. Hartnett » Blog Archive » A one-off link roundup: 787, ties, blog design, PS3 prices, social networks, cat crack, over-40 pole dancing Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:53:39 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354455 [...] Jeff Jarvis says enough with the neck ties, already. I’m so with him on this one. You try wearing a silk noose on a 97-degree, 75-percent humidity July day in South Florida. The cape, on the other hand … [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis says enough with the neck ties, already. I’m so with him on this one. You try wearing a silk noose on a 97-degree, 75-percent humidity July day in South Florida. The cape, on the other hand … [...]

]]> By: Mark http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354452 Mark Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:50:48 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354452 You might want to check out my friend, Lord Whimsy's take on ties. He's a BIG fan. But he is, truth be told, a dandy. http://lord-whimsy.livejournal.com/profile You might want to check out my friend, Lord Whimsy’s take on ties. He’s a BIG fan. But he is, truth be told, a dandy.

http://lord-whimsy.livejournal.com/profile

]]> By: Paw http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354451 Paw Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:33:39 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354451 Kermit's got it right. Many a moron has hiddden behind a top drawer business wardrobe. They don't call it an empty T shirt, after all. Kermit’s got it right. Many a moron has hiddden behind a top drawer business wardrobe. They don’t call it an empty T shirt, after all.

]]> By: Spalpeen :: Ties on the TV news http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354446 Spalpeen :: Ties on the TV news Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:38:04 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354446 [...] Nice to see that the Telegraph continues to concern itself with pertinent issues that very strongly influence the shape of the English nation. [...] [...] Nice to see that the Telegraph continues to concern itself with pertinent issues that very strongly influence the shape of the English nation. [...]

]]> By: robertdfeinman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354445 robertdfeinman Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:23:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354445 If not wearing ties is to become the norm than it is also time to redesign the shirt. The button at the top was meant to be covered by the tie. So without a tie one is left with an unsightly button hole a drooping collar. Nehru looked fine without a tie. How about it fashion industry - let's have a new shirt front! If not wearing ties is to become the norm than it is also time to redesign the shirt.

The button at the top was meant to be covered by the tie. So without a tie one is left with an unsightly button hole a drooping collar.

Nehru looked fine without a tie. How about it fashion industry - let’s have a new shirt front!

]]> By: Tom http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354444 Tom Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:19:18 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354444 I agree that it is stupid to make people wear ties. However, I am all for wearing them out of choice. However, why stop at that type of neckwear. A cravat adds a dash to almost any getup, whilst my neckerchief now, gives a touch of the Alpine to my ensemble. Get rid of the mandatory tie, bring on a more sophisticated approach to neck decoration. I agree that it is stupid to make people wear ties. However, I am all for wearing them out of choice. However, why stop at that type of neckwear. A cravat adds a dash to almost any getup, whilst my neckerchief now, gives a touch of the Alpine to my ensemble. Get rid of the mandatory tie, bring on a more sophisticated approach to neck decoration.

]]> By: kermit johnson http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354443 kermit johnson Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:53:44 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/09/cutting-the-ties-that-bind/#comment-354443 I always wear a tie so I appear to be more competent than I really am. I always wear a tie so I appear to be more competent than I really am.

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