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		<title>By: Vibemetrix Daily Vibe - What is influence? &#124; VibeMetrix Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vibemetrix Daily Vibe - What is influence? &#124; VibeMetrix Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to him *very* well, he also ponders how we measure it.  I&#8217;ll just quote him and you can read the rest of the post here.  &#8220;So this is more difficult to measure than merely adding up links or traffic but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to him *very* well, he also ponders how we measure it.  I&#8217;ll just quote him and you can read the rest of the post here.  &#8220;So this is more difficult to measure than merely adding up links or traffic but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Measuring blogs: The New, the Best, the Odd, the Linked and the Forgotten &#60; life under electronic conditions</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-379638</link>
		<dc:creator>Measuring blogs: The New, the Best, the Odd, the Linked and the Forgotten &#60; life under electronic conditions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Social Media Measurement should reflect those different types of blog posts in their methodology because it may be the case that they represent different blog readers, expectations and usage patterns. This could also be an important typology for optimizing social media marketing campains and for targeting advertising campaigns on blogs. Do you need to focus on the new, the best, the odd or the linked?   Post a comment &#124; Trackback URI [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Social Media Measurement should reflect those different types of blog posts in their methodology because it may be the case that they represent different blog readers, expectations and usage patterns. This could also be an important typology for optimizing social media marketing campains and for targeting advertising campaigns on blogs. Do you need to focus on the new, the best, the odd or the linked?   Post a comment | Trackback URI [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scout Labs Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; on measuring influence</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-364595</link>
		<dc:creator>Scout Labs Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; on measuring influence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis chimes in and pokes fun at Rubel, calling him a sort of &#8220;grim reaper of measurements&#8221; who &#8220;likes declaring things dead.&#8221; On the subject of influence, Jarvis discusses some of the complexity involved in quantifying it. He points out that there are different and dynamic spheres of influence that have to do with things like an individual person&#8217;s reputation, subject matter expertise and credentials, nature and reach of their forum (e.g. traditional media vs. blog), and nature of the audience. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis chimes in and pokes fun at Rubel, calling him a sort of &#8220;grim reaper of measurements&#8221; who &#8220;likes declaring things dead.&#8221; On the subject of influence, Jarvis discusses some of the complexity involved in quantifying it. He points out that there are different and dynamic spheres of influence that have to do with things like an individual person&#8217;s reputation, subject matter expertise and credentials, nature and reach of their forum (e.g. traditional media vs. blog), and nature of the audience. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Journalism Daily - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts on Journalism - Powered by SocialRank</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-361042</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: New Media Signal - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts on New Media - Powered by SocialRank</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-361031</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Moderne-Unternehmenskommunikation.de &#187; Social Media Measurement in der Diskussion: Ein Sortierversuch</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-356674</link>
		<dc:creator>Moderne-Unternehmenskommunikation.de &#187; Social Media Measurement in der Diskussion: Ein Sortierversuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Metriken sagen nichts über den Einfluss (&#8221;Influence&#8221;) aus. Denn, wie Jeff Jarvis ausführt, &#8220;it’s not how many people you interact with. It’s who you interact with.&#8221; und welchen [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Metriken sagen nichts über den Einfluss (&#8221;Influence&#8221;) aus. Denn, wie Jeff Jarvis ausführt, &#8220;it’s not how many people you interact with. It’s who you interact with.&#8221; und welchen [...]</p>
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		<title>By: St. Paul&#8217;s Reach &#187; Links - Social media measurement</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-355654</link>
		<dc:creator>St. Paul&#8217;s Reach &#187; Links - Social media measurement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nathan Gilliatt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-355188</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Gilliatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How can a company determine which bloggers who donâ€™t focus on the company and its field require their attention?&lt;/i&gt;

I've done some research into companies that monitor and measure social media, including influence analysis. They usually consider factors like links (number and quality), volume of posts on the topic, and traffic (when possible). Some also pay attention to interactions between social media and traditional media, so the blogger who's quoted in te newspaper would get credit in the analysis.

A sudden increase in links correlated a keyword match (company name, brand, etc.) can indicate that it's time to pay attention. The transition can be very quick, too. All it takes is one good post and the right Digg headline:
http://net-savvy.com/executive/reputation/lessons-from-walmarts-latest.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How can a company determine which bloggers who donâ€™t focus on the company and its field require their attention?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done some research into companies that monitor and measure social media, including influence analysis. They usually consider factors like links (number and quality), volume of posts on the topic, and traffic (when possible). Some also pay attention to interactions between social media and traditional media, so the blogger who&#8217;s quoted in te newspaper would get credit in the analysis.</p>
<p>A sudden increase in links correlated a keyword match (company name, brand, etc.) can indicate that it&#8217;s time to pay attention. The transition can be very quick, too. All it takes is one good post and the right Digg headline:<br />
<a href="http://net-savvy.com/executive/reputation/lessons-from-walmarts-latest.html" rel="nofollow">http://net-savvy.com/executive/reputation/lessons-from-walmarts-latest.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-07-23 at Framtider.net</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-355008</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-07-23 at Framtider.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» Measuring influence (tags: toread) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Time for a new PageRank? &#124; terrainnova.org</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-354923</link>
		<dc:creator>Time for a new PageRank? &#124; terrainnova.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should say upgrade). Others suggest that a summit (!) is necessary to decide on open standards for measuring influence. I&#8217;d go with openness any time of the day, but at the same time it has to be robust and agile [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] should say upgrade). Others suggest that a summit (!) is necessary to decide on open standards for measuring influence. I&#8217;d go with openness any time of the day, but at the same time it has to be robust and agile [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrizia Broghammer</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-354827</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrizia Broghammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People tend to associate quantity with value.
Which in one sense is true.
If value is revenue, then quantity is value.
And in this mainly superficial society in which 90% of readers are the ones who hear without listening, who want to be amused more than being interested, who understand life as an entertaining trip more than a hard walk, yes, value is price.
And it is right, it is worth monitoring and reading the high number visitors' blog. And quality links are worth as long as they provide quantity.(of readers)
Patrizia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People tend to associate quantity with value.<br />
Which in one sense is true.<br />
If value is revenue, then quantity is value.<br />
And in this mainly superficial society in which 90% of readers are the ones who hear without listening, who want to be amused more than being interested, who understand life as an entertaining trip more than a hard walk, yes, value is price.<br />
And it is right, it is worth monitoring and reading the high number visitors&#8217; blog. And quality links are worth as long as they provide quantity.(of readers)<br />
Patrizia</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-354822</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think that you can measure influence.  What I think you can get a better sense of is how much attention a particular source is drawing.

When we use GDP statistics to get a sense of how the economy is doing, we know that we're not getting anywhere near the whole picture.  Services are undercounted, luxuries such as leisure time are left out entirely, etc, etc.  But GDP is still a valuable tool, and its value is increased as it is added to other statistics.

Likewise, pageviews never died.  They simply were supplemented by links.  Now, things like feed subscriptions and social bookmarking sites are also available to help us get a sense of what sources are getting the most attention.  This presents no new challenge--on the contrary, I think it makes the task of producing more accurate measurements much easier than it might otherwise have been.

You will never get more than an approximation--but one ought not underestimate the value of increasingly accurate approximations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that you can measure influence.  What I think you can get a better sense of is how much attention a particular source is drawing.</p>
<p>When we use GDP statistics to get a sense of how the economy is doing, we know that we&#8217;re not getting anywhere near the whole picture.  Services are undercounted, luxuries such as leisure time are left out entirely, etc, etc.  But GDP is still a valuable tool, and its value is increased as it is added to other statistics.</p>
<p>Likewise, pageviews never died.  They simply were supplemented by links.  Now, things like feed subscriptions and social bookmarking sites are also available to help us get a sense of what sources are getting the most attention.  This presents no new challenge&#8211;on the contrary, I think it makes the task of producing more accurate measurements much easier than it might otherwise have been.</p>
<p>You will never get more than an approximation&#8211;but one ought not underestimate the value of increasingly accurate approximations.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-07-18</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2007-07-18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» Measuring influence Jeff Jarvis on the Edleman influence ranking. Picks out one key issue about quantity not quality (tags: influence metrics socialmedia) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vera</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-354816</link>
		<dc:creator>Vera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Setting aside the more general divisions between the most and less widely read bloggers, influence waxes and wanes. Social circles widen and shrink, and activity within them flares when something hot hits. I don't believe that chart style compilations of 'facts' such as Steve's company is using will ever quite represent an accurate image. At least not until activity can be represented as an organic moving thing in a dynamic network visualization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Setting aside the more general divisions between the most and less widely read bloggers, influence waxes and wanes. Social circles widen and shrink, and activity within them flares when something hot hits. I don&#8217;t believe that chart style compilations of &#8216;facts&#8217; such as Steve&#8217;s company is using will ever quite represent an accurate image. At least not until activity can be represented as an organic moving thing in a dynamic network visualization.</p>
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		<title>By: Today&#8217;s complex measurements of blogger &#8220;influence&#8221; will ultimately evolve to measurements of ad revenues &#171; The Future of News</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-354815</link>
		<dc:creator>Today&#8217;s complex measurements of blogger &#8220;influence&#8221; will ultimately evolve to measurements of ad revenues &#171; The Future of News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] called &#8220;authority&#8221; in a nod to its competitive, testosterone-driven roots). Jeff Jarvis describes the latest phase in this evolution, measures of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ged</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-354806</link>
		<dc:creator>ged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Steve likes declaring things dead"

Funny, I thought that was your job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Steve likes declaring things dead&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny, I thought that was your job.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Heaton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-354799</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Heaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Technorati, for example, could do just what you're seeking Jeff. Not all links are equal, but Technorati can "weight" links based upon the ranking of the link and thereby provide a quality statistic.

It's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction. 

Measuring social activity is also possible but, I think, downstream a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Technorati, for example, could do just what you&#8217;re seeking Jeff. Not all links are equal, but Technorati can &#8220;weight&#8221; links based upon the ranking of the link and thereby provide a quality statistic.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not perfect, but it&#8217;s a step in the right direction. </p>
<p>Measuring social activity is also possible but, I think, downstream a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Silverman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/07/17/measuring-influence/#comment-354796</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

I didn't write about this in print. In his post, Rubel says I "took it all in," linking to &lt;a href="http://twitter.com/dsilverman/statuses/154026992" rel="nofollow"&gt;a Twitter update&lt;/a&gt; in relation to the exchange with Scoble. That's all I've done so far -- a "tweet".

Now, there's a slim chance I'd write about this in print, but it more likely would go into &lt;a href="http://blogs.chron.com/techblog" rel="nofollow"&gt;my blog&lt;/a&gt;, where I deal more often with this kind of topic.

Interestingly, my print column has a completely different audience than my blog. There doesn't seem to be much crossover. My print readers are older, as you'd expect, and their origins of interest are different. 

Some print readers are computer novices, or are those who strictly see technology as a tool and don't want to immerse themselves in it. I also have lots of technically oriented print readers, but they are what I call "practical technicals" -- they work in the IT shops and engineering pools of Houston's businesses, many of them energy-related. My blog readers are younger and more apt to be avid early adopters and fans of geek culture. 

So my influence is spread between two types of readers, I think, in two different media. If I write about Scoble and Rubel in print, I have to explain who they are. I don't have to do so in my blog. This amplifies my influence into multiple spheres, but you could also argue that it diffuses it.

What's badly needed is some killer app that aggregates everything you say and do online -- a kind of You Central. There are some startups trying to do that -- Houston's own &lt;a href="http://www.natuba.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Natuba.com&lt;/a&gt; is one -- but I think a real solution will come from some company with a large reach and the technology to make it easy to use and ubiquitous. Facebook tries to do this, but as Rubel says, it's largely a walled garden, a la the old AOL. I think Google could easily do it, using Google Reader as the underlying architecture, or Yahoo or Microsoft, maybe even Apple. 

Once we have a way to corral everything creators generate online, we can really begin to measure influence. Until then, it'll be all guessing games and intuition.

Not that there's anything wrong with that . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t write about this in print. In his post, Rubel says I &#8220;took it all in,&#8221; linking to <a href="http://twitter.com/dsilverman/statuses/154026992" rel="nofollow">a Twitter update</a> in relation to the exchange with Scoble. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;ve done so far &#8212; a &#8220;tweet&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now, there&#8217;s a slim chance I&#8217;d write about this in print, but it more likely would go into <a href="http://blogs.chron.com/techblog" rel="nofollow">my blog</a>, where I deal more often with this kind of topic.</p>
<p>Interestingly, my print column has a completely different audience than my blog. There doesn&#8217;t seem to be much crossover. My print readers are older, as you&#8217;d expect, and their origins of interest are different. </p>
<p>Some print readers are computer novices, or are those who strictly see technology as a tool and don&#8217;t want to immerse themselves in it. I also have lots of technically oriented print readers, but they are what I call &#8220;practical technicals&#8221; &#8212; they work in the IT shops and engineering pools of Houston&#8217;s businesses, many of them energy-related. My blog readers are younger and more apt to be avid early adopters and fans of geek culture. </p>
<p>So my influence is spread between two types of readers, I think, in two different media. If I write about Scoble and Rubel in print, I have to explain who they are. I don&#8217;t have to do so in my blog. This amplifies my influence into multiple spheres, but you could also argue that it diffuses it.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s badly needed is some killer app that aggregates everything you say and do online &#8212; a kind of You Central. There are some startups trying to do that &#8212; Houston&#8217;s own <a href="http://www.natuba.com/" rel="nofollow">Natuba.com</a> is one &#8212; but I think a real solution will come from some company with a large reach and the technology to make it easy to use and ubiquitous. Facebook tries to do this, but as Rubel says, it&#8217;s largely a walled garden, a la the old AOL. I think Google could easily do it, using Google Reader as the underlying architecture, or Yahoo or Microsoft, maybe even Apple. </p>
<p>Once we have a way to corral everything creators generate online, we can really begin to measure influence. Until then, it&#8217;ll be all guessing games and intuition.</p>
<p>Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that . . .</p>
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