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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-367115</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone who has been using the tool tell me how it works.  Does anyone have any experience working with this platform or used it in conjunction with http//www.moguling.com ?</description>
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		<title>By: Musings &#38; Meanderings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; People Choosing Would Turn The Tables</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-362161</link>
		<dc:creator>Musings &#38; Meanderings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; People Choosing Would Turn The Tables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] today&#8217;s post on Edgeio&#8217;s paid content widget, Jeff Jarvis includes a little demo, which [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-08-13 &#171; David Black</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-356805</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-08-13 &#171; David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The paid-content widget - BuzzMachine &#8220;Everyone in media is about to go widgetmad but theyâ€™re thinking about it the wrong way: They are deciding what to put in the widgets (here are our headlines, take our quizâ€¦). We should decide what we want in the widgets that we distribute.&#8221; (tags: internet journalism unbundling paidcontet distribution microchunks widgets) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The paid-content widget - BuzzMachine &#8220;Everyone in media is about to go widgetmad but theyâ€™re thinking about it the wrong way: They are deciding what to put in the widgets (here are our headlines, take our quizâ€¦). We should decide what we want in the widgets that we distribute.&#8221; (tags: internet journalism unbundling paidcontet distribution microchunks widgets) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-356752</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://lwn.net/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Linux Weekly News&lt;/a&gt; has been a subscription site since July 2002, with content becoming freely available after a week. They also have a "make a free link" button that allows you to share articles with your friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://lwn.net/" rel="nofollow">Linux Weekly News</a> has been a subscription site since July 2002, with content becoming freely available after a week. They also have a &#8220;make a free link&#8221; button that allows you to share articles with your friends.</p>
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		<title>By: The Obstructionist &#187; Advertism: Our new economic system? Not exactly.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-356687</link>
		<dc:creator>The Obstructionist &#187; Advertism: Our new economic system? Not exactly.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in part because of a lack of accountability. But what if they could find out? What if there were a module/widget that made sure you knew who was footing-the-bill for the next paragraph of your WSJ article? What [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Keith Teare</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-356625</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Teare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan Hi

Actually edgeo is not an intermediary in the traditional sense. We use paypal to proces payment and the content is delivered from its creator to the buyer directly.

The only reason there is a nedd for an edgeio account is so that content purchased can be consumed again later. For this to be possibe we need to know what was paid for and by whom. This is less an issue with downloaded content but is a big issue with streamed or viewed "in-place" content.

We could achieve the same goal if every publisher adopted an API but to keep it simple for all we use an edgeio account as an ID.

Keith Teare
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan Hi</p>
<p>Actually edgeo is not an intermediary in the traditional sense. We use paypal to proces payment and the content is delivered from its creator to the buyer directly.</p>
<p>The only reason there is a nedd for an edgeio account is so that content purchased can be consumed again later. For this to be possibe we need to know what was paid for and by whom. This is less an issue with downloaded content but is a big issue with streamed or viewed &#8220;in-place&#8221; content.</p>
<p>We could achieve the same goal if every publisher adopted an API but to keep it simple for all we use an edgeio account as an ID.</p>
<p>Keith Teare<br />
CEO<br />
edgeio</p>
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; First blog links since back in the U.S. of A.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-356598</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; First blog links since back in the U.S. of A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Congrats to Keith Teare in morphing Edgeio. Jeff Jarvis likes it. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-356597</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why shouldn't people pay for content? As Evan points out, if you are providing reliable, unique content, they may pay for it because they really want it.

For small start-ups like AliveinBaghdad.org and AliveinMexico.org, ad revenue may not be a reliable source of income, for many reasons.

We haven't yet put a pay-for-play gate on AiB or M yet, but we did discover that Paypal allows people to engage in voluntary subscriptions. I'd love to hear more about how small content creators like us, producing serious newsworthy content of international value, might hope to survive on advertising alone.

Particularly with video, viewers are still highly suspect of ads and seem to view content with ads in a very negative light. We need to find a sustainable model of success, but we also need to keep our audience, because that's the reason we're doing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t people pay for content? As Evan points out, if you are providing reliable, unique content, they may pay for it because they really want it.</p>
<p>For small start-ups like AliveinBaghdad.org and AliveinMexico.org, ad revenue may not be a reliable source of income, for many reasons.</p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t yet put a pay-for-play gate on AiB or M yet, but we did discover that Paypal allows people to engage in voluntary subscriptions. I&#8217;d love to hear more about how small content creators like us, producing serious newsworthy content of international value, might hope to survive on advertising alone.</p>
<p>Particularly with video, viewers are still highly suspect of ads and seem to view content with ads in a very negative light. We need to find a sustainable model of success, but we also need to keep our audience, because that&#8217;s the reason we&#8217;re doing this.</p>
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		<title>By: edgeio has announced the paid content platform. Distributed Commerce meets Web 2.0 &#124; ...a brief history of my time</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-356586</link>
		<dc:creator>edgeio has announced the paid content platform. Distributed Commerce meets Web 2.0 &#124; ...a brief history of my time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and here ReadWrite web - here TechCrunch - here Venturebeat - here Gnomedex - here Jeff Jarvis - here Dan Farber - ZDNet - here Bub.blicio.us - here Mashable - here Forecast Blog - [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Allen Stern</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-356584</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Stern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point Evan!</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Rudowski</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-356582</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Rudowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After looking at this a bit further there is another negative in the Edgeio model, aside from the hefty surcharge -- the purchaser must buy the content via their Edgeio account (or set up an Edgeio account if they don't have one). There is no other way. There's no direct transaction between the buyer and the content creator.

With every content transaction, Edgeio gains users and gains accounts, and its position as intermediary strengthens. Do the content creators establish any relationship with the purchaser, or learn anything about them, or even get their e-mail address? I don't see that they do. Only Edgeio does.

The internet is all about putting the means of production and distribution directly in the hands of creators. It's about enabling audiences to interact with each other and with the content authors, building communities. This is a model that works in opposition to that ethos by setting up a third party as the intermediary.

Kind regards (again),
Evan Rudowski</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After looking at this a bit further there is another negative in the Edgeio model, aside from the hefty surcharge &#8212; the purchaser must buy the content via their Edgeio account (or set up an Edgeio account if they don&#8217;t have one). There is no other way. There&#8217;s no direct transaction between the buyer and the content creator.</p>
<p>With every content transaction, Edgeio gains users and gains accounts, and its position as intermediary strengthens. Do the content creators establish any relationship with the purchaser, or learn anything about them, or even get their e-mail address? I don&#8217;t see that they do. Only Edgeio does.</p>
<p>The internet is all about putting the means of production and distribution directly in the hands of creators. It&#8217;s about enabling audiences to interact with each other and with the content authors, building communities. This is a model that works in opposition to that ethos by setting up a third party as the intermediary.</p>
<p>Kind regards (again),<br />
Evan Rudowski</p>
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		<title>By: proxieslist.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>proxieslist.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Allen Stern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Stern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that a kid would use their money to buy access to a show that's not really "super awesome" and that is available for free a few days later. I guess Diggnation is this generation's version of the Air Jordan? Well wait, probably not a fair comparison.

Why not just go direct to PayPal using all of their options and save the 20% that Evan notes above?

In my previous life we played a lot with the points for items method and it never really took off. Even in the mothers demo which worked best for this type of deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that a kid would use their money to buy access to a show that&#8217;s not really &#8220;super awesome&#8221; and that is available for free a few days later. I guess Diggnation is this generation&#8217;s version of the Air Jordan? Well wait, probably not a fair comparison.</p>
<p>Why not just go direct to PayPal using all of their options and save the 20% that Evan notes above?</p>
<p>In my previous life we played a lot with the points for items method and it never really took off. Even in the mothers demo which worked best for this type of deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Rudowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Rudowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,

There are already tools for running membership websites (we offer one) and there are hundreds of such sites.

Subscription and membership work when the content is unique, actionable, not easily substituted, and from a trusted source (individual or brand). Usually this is niche content that can be recognized by members of the niche as having measurable value.

Examples of successful paid content websites include www.jancisrobinson.com (which runs on our platform); www.restaurantowner.com (on a rival platform) and www.preachingtoday.com (also not ours). Yes, on preachingtoday.com you can download a quick sermon if you're a reverend in a rush. That's valuable and actionable.

For mass media brands such as the WSJ and NYT, it may make more economic sense to drop the subscription firewall in favor of potentially more lucrative advertising revenue streams. This doesn't mean that the subscription model is a failure, as some seem to want to argue.

This is different, of course, from the principle of whether or not content deserves to be free. I happen to think that content creators deserve to be paid for their knowledge, expertise and effort. Not all of them will reach the scale necessary to achieve this via advertising. 

It is good to see Edgeio catching on to the paid content concept but they take a big cut -- from my quick test, their cut of a $20 content purchase was $4, or 20 percent. Ouch.

Kind regards,
Evan Rudowski


Examples</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>There are already tools for running membership websites (we offer one) and there are hundreds of such sites.</p>
<p>Subscription and membership work when the content is unique, actionable, not easily substituted, and from a trusted source (individual or brand). Usually this is niche content that can be recognized by members of the niche as having measurable value.</p>
<p>Examples of successful paid content websites include <a href="http://www.jancisrobinson.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jancisrobinson.com</a> (which runs on our platform); <a href="http://www.restaurantowner.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restaurantowner.com</a> (on a rival platform) and <a href="http://www.preachingtoday.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.preachingtoday.com</a> (also not ours). Yes, on preachingtoday.com you can download a quick sermon if you&#8217;re a reverend in a rush. That&#8217;s valuable and actionable.</p>
<p>For mass media brands such as the WSJ and NYT, it may make more economic sense to drop the subscription firewall in favor of potentially more lucrative advertising revenue streams. This doesn&#8217;t mean that the subscription model is a failure, as some seem to want to argue.</p>
<p>This is different, of course, from the principle of whether or not content deserves to be free. I happen to think that content creators deserve to be paid for their knowledge, expertise and effort. Not all of them will reach the scale necessary to achieve this via advertising. </p>
<p>It is good to see Edgeio catching on to the paid content concept but they take a big cut &#8212; from my quick test, their cut of a $20 content purchase was $4, or 20 percent. Ouch.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Evan Rudowski</p>
<p>Examples</p>
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		<title>By: Edgeio Offers A Paid Content Widget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edgeio Offers A Paid Content Widget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Edgeio launches the Internetâ€™s first distributed paid content platform. &#124; edgeio blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/10/the-paid-content-widget/#comment-356575</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgeio launches the Internetâ€™s first distributed paid content platform. &#124; edgeio blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.   I don't think sites should charge for content either.  But getting quality results improve when there is a small fee.  YourList.com is an new job and local classified site that charges a small fee for job posting.  It's job search features rival that of Monster, CareerBuilder but for a fraction of the cost.  Combined with free local classifieds in nearly 1,000 U.S. cities it's the best of both worlds.

htttp://www.yourlist.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.   I don&#8217;t think sites should charge for content either.  But getting quality results improve when there is a small fee.  YourList.com is an new job and local classified site that charges a small fee for job posting.  It&#8217;s job search features rival that of Monster, CareerBuilder but for a fraction of the cost.  Combined with free local classifieds in nearly 1,000 U.S. cities it&#8217;s the best of both worlds.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an almost reflexive need to hit the back button when I see a site asking for my money (unless, of course, it's my "choice" like Amazon, Ebay, etc.) but as the reports have been showing this week, advertisers may increasingly become unwilling to just throw money at all the new web-services and start-ups. What you're suggesting is a great idea because it allows for accountability in the effectiveness of an ad; who saw it, their age, their response, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an almost reflexive need to hit the back button when I see a site asking for my money (unless, of course, it&#8217;s my &#8220;choice&#8221; like Amazon, Ebay, etc.) but as the reports have been showing this week, advertisers may increasingly become unwilling to just throw money at all the new web-services and start-ups. What you&#8217;re suggesting is a great idea because it allows for accountability in the effectiveness of an ad; who saw it, their age, their response, and so on.</p>
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