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	<title>Comments on: Vigilante journalism</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Chapell</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-358381</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Chapell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely understand Jimmy's frustration. And if you can look beyond the yelling, the profanity and abusive language, I think he has a solid point re: preditory ticketing practices and abuse of power by the NYPD.

But Jeff, I think you missed the boat here regarding David Gregory's question. It's fair to ask Jimmy if he comes off as obnoxious. In fact, if David HADN'T asked that question he'd be open to criticism for NOT bringing up the subject.

For the record, I had an interview / debate with Jimmy Justice on G4's Attack of the Show last night. Jimmy himself didn't see anything wrong with Gregory's question.

Just because NBC is part of the establishment doesn't necessarily mean they are always in the wrong....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely understand Jimmy&#8217;s frustration. And if you can look beyond the yelling, the profanity and abusive language, I think he has a solid point re: preditory ticketing practices and abuse of power by the NYPD.</p>
<p>But Jeff, I think you missed the boat here regarding David Gregory&#8217;s question. It&#8217;s fair to ask Jimmy if he comes off as obnoxious. In fact, if David HADN&#8217;T asked that question he&#8217;d be open to criticism for NOT bringing up the subject.</p>
<p>For the record, I had an interview / debate with Jimmy Justice on G4&#8217;s Attack of the Show last night. Jimmy himself didn&#8217;t see anything wrong with Gregory&#8217;s question.</p>
<p>Just because NBC is part of the establishment doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean they are always in the wrong&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tubag Bohol</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357562</link>
		<dc:creator>Tubag Bohol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 04:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Philippines, our journalists are murdered every now and then. They have become endangered species. How can democracy thrive without journalists? We need help from outside forces. Many journalists in the Philippines have shifted jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Philippines, our journalists are murdered every now and then. They have become endangered species. How can democracy thrive without journalists? We need help from outside forces. Many journalists in the Philippines have shifted jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Paw</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357523</link>
		<dc:creator>Paw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Andy, Mr. Justice isn't doing wrong or right - he's just hassling meter maids, the point being that hassling meter maids is not, in and of itself, journalism - it's just some guy looking for his 15 minutes any way he can.  As an individual, i'm unwilling to hassle meter maids or crack dealers because I'm not pretending to be a journalist.

Sticking a camera in some schmucky civil servant's face and yelling at him/her for 5 minutes for making a U turn doesn't qualify as investigative reporting.  The example I gave does, whether I'd be willing to do it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Andy, Mr. Justice isn&#8217;t doing wrong or right - he&#8217;s just hassling meter maids, the point being that hassling meter maids is not, in and of itself, journalism - it&#8217;s just some guy looking for his 15 minutes any way he can.  As an individual, i&#8217;m unwilling to hassle meter maids or crack dealers because I&#8217;m not pretending to be a journalist.</p>
<p>Sticking a camera in some schmucky civil servant&#8217;s face and yelling at him/her for 5 minutes for making a U turn doesn&#8217;t qualify as investigative reporting.  The example I gave does, whether I&#8217;d be willing to do it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357478</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; If Mr. â€œJusticeâ€ wants to make a difference, let him stand in front of any inner city school playground and stick his camera in some crack dealerâ€™s face.

In short, Justice is doing wrong because he's unwilling to do something that Paw is unwilling to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; If Mr. â€œJusticeâ€ wants to make a difference, let him stand in front of any inner city school playground and stick his camera in some crack dealerâ€™s face.</p>
<p>In short, Justice is doing wrong because he&#8217;s unwilling to do something that Paw is unwilling to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Paw</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357473</link>
		<dc:creator>Paw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you're kidding, right?  This guy isn't a journalist - he's an asshole with a camera attempting to make a big deal out of nothing.  Hassling meter maids is "justice"?  

As far as watchdogs go, I'd love to read how you'd react if Mr "Justice" saw YOU parked illegally (which is almost impossible not to do in most major cities) and called the cops on YOU...

If Mr. "Justice" wants to make a difference, let him stand in front of any inner city school playground and stick his camera in some crack dealer's face.  Maybe not as much fun as bothering meter maids, but infinitely less self serving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re kidding, right?  This guy isn&#8217;t a journalist - he&#8217;s an asshole with a camera attempting to make a big deal out of nothing.  Hassling meter maids is &#8220;justice&#8221;?  </p>
<p>As far as watchdogs go, I&#8217;d love to read how you&#8217;d react if Mr &#8220;Justice&#8221; saw YOU parked illegally (which is almost impossible not to do in most major cities) and called the cops on YOU&#8230;</p>
<p>If Mr. &#8220;Justice&#8221; wants to make a difference, let him stand in front of any inner city school playground and stick his camera in some crack dealer&#8217;s face.  Maybe not as much fun as bothering meter maids, but infinitely less self serving.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357466</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the future. The playing field is being leveled. "Jimmy Justice" (Anonymous) is gaining credibility, and Jeff Jarvis (CUNY Professor) is losing credibility. EQUALITY TO ALL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the future. The playing field is being leveled. &#8220;Jimmy Justice&#8221; (Anonymous) is gaining credibility, and Jeff Jarvis (CUNY Professor) is losing credibility. EQUALITY TO ALL!</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Olsen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357416</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Olsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen!

Also: Jimmy Justice rocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!</p>
<p>Also: Jimmy Justice rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Fieldnotes</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357342</link>
		<dc:creator>Fieldnotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Lazy Saturday and vigilante journalism...&lt;/strong&gt;

...you to check out Jimmy Justice, that obnoxious guy that confronts traffic cops in New York - Jeff Jarvis called it......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Lazy Saturday and vigilante journalism&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>&#8230;you to check out Jimmy Justice, that obnoxious guy that confronts traffic cops in New York - Jeff Jarvis called it&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357311</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember folks we're dealing with a downtown NYC attitude. Sure Jimmy is a big pain in the butt. I'd say its bad journalism but it still journalism in the Web 2.0 sense. Yes the medium of publication might only be youtube but he's still reporting. You might not agree with the fact that its not pure Wall Street Journal reporting but you're going to have to start dealing with the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember folks we&#8217;re dealing with a downtown NYC attitude. Sure Jimmy is a big pain in the butt. I&#8217;d say its bad journalism but it still journalism in the Web 2.0 sense. Yes the medium of publication might only be youtube but he&#8217;s still reporting. You might not agree with the fact that its not pure Wall Street Journal reporting but you&#8217;re going to have to start dealing with the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambrose</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357293</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that you consult media people in your profession but seem to lack the most basic knowledge of reporting. I am not a big fan of mainstream media myself, but I think you are off base on this one.

While I agree with you that Jimmy Justice is great and is doing us a tremendous service, I saw the interview and thought David Gregory asked perfectly appropriate questions.  And I would add that Jimmy Justice responded superbly.  For those who might find Justice obnoxious, I think he did a pretty good job of articulating himself.  Had Gregory not asked him to address these so-called â€œrudeâ€ questions, we as viewers would have been left wondering why the guy is so damn obnoxious.  He clearly has an axe to grind, and is hungry for his 15 minutes which he hopes to parlay into an "anti-cops" style reality series (so much for noncommercial citizen journalism).  Had Gregory not asked tough questions and instead made it into a back-slapping, feel-good, puff piece, youâ€™d be criticizing him for taking sides and being too soft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that you consult media people in your profession but seem to lack the most basic knowledge of reporting. I am not a big fan of mainstream media myself, but I think you are off base on this one.</p>
<p>While I agree with you that Jimmy Justice is great and is doing us a tremendous service, I saw the interview and thought David Gregory asked perfectly appropriate questions.  And I would add that Jimmy Justice responded superbly.  For those who might find Justice obnoxious, I think he did a pretty good job of articulating himself.  Had Gregory not asked him to address these so-called â€œrudeâ€ questions, we as viewers would have been left wondering why the guy is so damn obnoxious.  He clearly has an axe to grind, and is hungry for his 15 minutes which he hopes to parlay into an &#8220;anti-cops&#8221; style reality series (so much for noncommercial citizen journalism).  Had Gregory not asked tough questions and instead made it into a back-slapping, feel-good, puff piece, youâ€™d be criticizing him for taking sides and being too soft.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357283</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nevermind. A closer inspection reveals that most of Jimmy's subjects are indeed metermaids. (The metermaids in my town drive little cushman carts not fancy cars.) Much ado about nothing. My apologies to the group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind. A closer inspection reveals that most of Jimmy&#8217;s subjects are indeed metermaids. (The metermaids in my town drive little cushman carts not fancy cars.) Much ado about nothing. My apologies to the group.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357282</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most (all?) of Jimmy's videos clearly show armed &lt;a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=agents" rel="nofollow"&gt;agents&lt;/a&gt; of the state empowered with statutory authority to use lethal force against me at their discretion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most (all?) of Jimmy&#8217;s videos clearly show armed <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=agents" rel="nofollow">agents</a> of the state empowered with statutory authority to use lethal force against me at their discretion.</p>
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		<title>By: shelbinator</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357280</link>
		<dc:creator>shelbinator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if anyone reading this is also interested in limiting motion sickness in video, I highly recommend the $14 poor man's steadycam, that you can build yourself using instructions at
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/steadycam/

I made my own a little bit smaller with shorter pipes, but with 5 pounds on the base  it still works great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if anyone reading this is also interested in limiting motion sickness in video, I highly recommend the $14 poor man&#8217;s steadycam, that you can build yourself using instructions at<br />
<a href="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/steadycam/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/steadycam/</a></p>
<p>I made my own a little bit smaller with shorter pipes, but with 5 pounds on the base  it still works great.</p>
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		<title>By: ged</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357278</link>
		<dc:creator>ged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm...I wonder how many meter maids think of themselves as "agents of the state". guess it would look better on the resume than "parking ticker writer".

so, what about that guy who invaded the cockpit with a video camera and berated the pilots when his flight was being delayed on teh ground...?  journalist? terrorist? or just jacka$$?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230;I wonder how many meter maids think of themselves as &#8220;agents of the state&#8221;. guess it would look better on the resume than &#8220;parking ticker writer&#8221;.</p>
<p>so, what about that guy who invaded the cockpit with a video camera and berated the pilots when his flight was being delayed on teh ground&#8230;?  journalist? terrorist? or just jacka$$?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357277</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm supportive of Jimmy in his quest to watch the Watchmen, but after viewing a few of his segments, I think he's got more than an "accent and an attitude" going on. He appears to have rage issues. 

And when he resorts to saying to one woman "f**k you, c**t" in one segment -- and then doesn't even have the self-protection gene to edit it out -- I know I'm not in the presence of a guy I want to stand next to in the name of "justice."

He's welcome to talk that way, of course. And I'm welcome to move on....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m supportive of Jimmy in his quest to watch the Watchmen, but after viewing a few of his segments, I think he&#8217;s got more than an &#8220;accent and an attitude&#8221; going on. He appears to have rage issues. </p>
<p>And when he resorts to saying to one woman &#8220;f**k you, c**t&#8221; in one segment &#8212; and then doesn&#8217;t even have the self-protection gene to edit it out &#8212; I know I&#8217;m not in the presence of a guy I want to stand next to in the name of &#8220;justice.&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s welcome to talk that way, of course. And I&#8217;m welcome to move on&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357274</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Papparazzi reports on celebrities who do not have statutory power over me personally.

Jimmy Justice reports on agents of the state who do have statutory power over me personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Papparazzi reports on celebrities who do not have statutory power over me personally.</p>
<p>Jimmy Justice reports on agents of the state who do have statutory power over me personally.</p>
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		<title>By: ZF</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357272</link>
		<dc:creator>ZF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a program on Italian TV recently where some amateurs did exactly this, videoing cops responsible for enforcing the helmet law arriving on scooters routinely (as in every day) wearing no helmet. They also confronted the cops, asking them about why they weren't complying with the law.

They managed, though, to both make their point and be highly entertaining without being at all obnoxious. This guy could easily have done likewise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a program on Italian TV recently where some amateurs did exactly this, videoing cops responsible for enforcing the helmet law arriving on scooters routinely (as in every day) wearing no helmet. They also confronted the cops, asking them about why they weren&#8217;t complying with the law.</p>
<p>They managed, though, to both make their point and be highly entertaining without being at all obnoxious. This guy could easily have done likewise.</p>
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		<title>By: chico haas</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357271</link>
		<dc:creator>chico haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This is the power of the people, armed with their own cameras and the internet, acting as watchdogs on government. Isnâ€™t that journalism?"

Since you asked, no, it's not journalism. It's people with cameras putting whatever they shoot on the web. Do you consider papparazzi journalists? Watchdogging the government and its abuses of power is a lofty thought compared to shooting a meter maid parking by a fire hydrant. Obviously, there will be Rodney King moments with a citizenry armed with phonecams. But that's a mighty big shooting ratio. Simply because technology has democratized the dissemination of someone's words and pictures to the world does not mean one is a suddenly a journalist. Maybe in your mind, not mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is the power of the people, armed with their own cameras and the internet, acting as watchdogs on government. Isnâ€™t that journalism?&#8221;</p>
<p>Since you asked, no, it&#8217;s not journalism. It&#8217;s people with cameras putting whatever they shoot on the web. Do you consider papparazzi journalists? Watchdogging the government and its abuses of power is a lofty thought compared to shooting a meter maid parking by a fire hydrant. Obviously, there will be Rodney King moments with a citizenry armed with phonecams. But that&#8217;s a mighty big shooting ratio. Simply because technology has democratized the dissemination of someone&#8217;s words and pictures to the world does not mean one is a suddenly a journalist. Maybe in your mind, not mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/17/vigilante-journalism/#comment-357266</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; Hey, Mr. Gregory: You and Jimmy are on the same side.

No they're not.  Gregory is wants to maintain the priesthood, to keep out folks like Jimmy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Hey, Mr. Gregory: You and Jimmy are on the same side.</p>
<p>No they&#8217;re not.  Gregory is wants to maintain the priesthood, to keep out folks like Jimmy.</p>
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