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		<title>By: Be Our Friend! &#171; Social Media and the Digital Disruption</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-409059</link>
		<dc:creator>Be Our Friend! &#171; Social Media and the Digital Disruption</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are the demographics. Compare who uses MySpace and Facebook? What&#8217;s different? Why? What does friendship mean online? Watch Scoble&#8217;s take on Kyte TV (you may have to install Flash) and then ask [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are the demographics. Compare who uses MySpace and Facebook? What&#8217;s different? Why? What does friendship mean online? Watch Scoble&#8217;s take on Kyte TV (you may have to install Flash) and then ask [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Be Our Friend! &#171; Social Media and the Digital Disruption</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-402344</link>
		<dc:creator>Be Our Friend! &#171; Social Media and the Digital Disruption</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the demographics. Compare who uses MySpace and Facebook? What&#8217;s different? Why? What does friendship mean online? Watch Scoble&#8217;s take on Kyte TV (you may have to install Flash) and then ask [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the demographics. Compare who uses MySpace and Facebook? What&#8217;s different? Why? What does friendship mean online? Watch Scoble&#8217;s take on Kyte TV (you may have to install Flash) and then ask [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blogging, Social Media, and More Head-Spinning &#171; Social Media and the Digital Disruption</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-377049</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogging, Social Media, and More Head-Spinning &#171; Social Media and the Digital Disruption</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are the demographics. Compare who uses MySpace and Facebook? What&#8217;s different? Why? What does friendship mean online? Watch Scoble&#8217;s take on Kyte TV (you may have to install Flash) and then ask [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are the demographics. Compare who uses MySpace and Facebook? What&#8217;s different? Why? What does friendship mean online? Watch Scoble&#8217;s take on Kyte TV (you may have to install Flash) and then ask [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Won&#8217;t You Be My Neighbor? But, um, only online&#8230; &#171; Saxby&#8217;s Fifth Avenue</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-369512</link>
		<dc:creator>Won&#8217;t You Be My Neighbor? But, um, only online&#8230; &#171; Saxby&#8217;s Fifth Avenue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] favorite reading for this week was the Jarvis blog on what online friendship actually means.Â  If anyone else was on Facebook during its infancy, you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wiki, Wiki, Wikinomics! &#171; CMK Dimples Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-369449</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiki, Wiki, Wikinomics! &#171; CMK Dimples Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] find people you know and reconnect.Â  I think that is why it works.Â  I agree with Jeff Jarvisâ€™s Buzz MachineÂ blog on FriendshipÂ being complicated â€“you lump everyone together as your friend even though [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] find people you know and reconnect.Â  I think that is why it works.Â  I agree with Jeff Jarvisâ€™s Buzz MachineÂ blog on FriendshipÂ being complicated â€“you lump everyone together as your friend even though [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Be My Friend! &#171; Social Media and the Digital Disruption</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-369098</link>
		<dc:creator>Be My Friend! &#171; Social Media and the Digital Disruption</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are the demographics. Compare who uses MySpace and Facebook? What&#8217;s different? Why? What does friendship mean online? Watch Scoble&#8217;s take on Kyte TV (you may have to install Flash) and then ask [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are the demographics. Compare who uses MySpace and Facebook? What&#8217;s different? Why? What does friendship mean online? Watch Scoble&#8217;s take on Kyte TV (you may have to install Flash) and then ask [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kashif</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-362070</link>
		<dc:creator>kashif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Think where man&#039;s glory most begins and ends, 
And say my glory was I had such friends.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Think where man&#8217;s glory most begins and ends,<br />
And say my glory was I had such friends.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Media, Politics, and Truth in a Digital World &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Be My Friend!</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-360921</link>
		<dc:creator>Media, Politics, and Truth in a Digital World &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Be My Friend!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are the demographics. Compare who uses MySpace and Facebook? What&#8217;s different? Why? What does friendship mean online? Watch Scoble&#8217;s take on Kyte TV (you may have to install Flash) and then ask [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are the demographics. Compare who uses MySpace and Facebook? What&#8217;s different? Why? What does friendship mean online? Watch Scoble&#8217;s take on Kyte TV (you may have to install Flash) and then ask [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-09-12 &#171; David Black</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-359729</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-09-12 &#171; David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Friendship is complicated - BuzzMachine On Facebook&#8217;s one-size-fits-all definition of friendship: &#8220;Combining college friends with work friends with friend-friends with family results in strange and for some uncomfortable juxtapositions of lives&#8221; (tags: internet socialmedia socialnetwork facebook) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Friendship is complicated &#8211; BuzzMachine On Facebook&#8217;s one-size-fits-all definition of friendship: &#8220;Combining college friends with work friends with friend-friends with family results in strange and for some uncomfortable juxtapositions of lives&#8221; (tags: internet socialmedia socialnetwork facebook) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kelv</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-359090</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just weird having someone you knew as a childhood friend lumped in with someone you work with now and them being able to see each other just because you are a friend to both.

I think at the time you add a friend you get a pulldown menu of friend groups that you have set up. If you don&#039;t specify one, the friend goes into your public group, mimicking the current behaviour.

In the permissions for each group, you get a list of all the other groups including public. You then select the ones you want visible to each other, and if anyone from one of those groups views your friends list / wall / etc  they only see stuff that came from those groups it is allowed to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just weird having someone you knew as a childhood friend lumped in with someone you work with now and them being able to see each other just because you are a friend to both.</p>
<p>I think at the time you add a friend you get a pulldown menu of friend groups that you have set up. If you don&#8217;t specify one, the friend goes into your public group, mimicking the current behaviour.</p>
<p>In the permissions for each group, you get a list of all the other groups including public. You then select the ones you want visible to each other, and if anyone from one of those groups views your friends list / wall / etc  they only see stuff that came from those groups it is allowed to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Vear</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-357944</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Vear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I waited to use facebook, and begrudgingly joined a few weeks ago.  I, too, got annoyed at first when I couldnt classify everything and everyone.  However, isnt this a natural function of  &#039;groups&#039;?  Part of the beauty (and power) of facebook is that I can see what all of my &#039;friends&#039; are doing, all the time, whether it&#039;s personal or otherwise.  In today&#039;s world, the lines have been completely blurred, and I think this is a good thing.  It&#039;s what makes your blog interesting.  Most people have caught on to this way of life.  My father always has said (for the past 10 years or so) don&#039;t send anything in email that you wouldnt want your mother to read [ he now applies this to the internet].  It&#039;s a rule of thumb i&#039;ve always followed, and one that makes sense.  I had an interesting start of a discussion about this on facebook in the &quot;Facebook feedback and wishlists&quot; -- http://northwestern.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2608322546&amp;topic=2715 .  End of day, if facebook limits everything, my friends network becomes a lot less powerful, and the fb aspect that is most appealing -- the social leveling that web 1.0 began, web 2.0 continued, and facebook begins to realize -- stops.  It&#039;s what makes your blog so powerful, and TV ho-hum.  I can leave a message and communicate with you directly.  Facebook just continues this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I waited to use facebook, and begrudgingly joined a few weeks ago.  I, too, got annoyed at first when I couldnt classify everything and everyone.  However, isnt this a natural function of  &#8216;groups&#8217;?  Part of the beauty (and power) of facebook is that I can see what all of my &#8216;friends&#8217; are doing, all the time, whether it&#8217;s personal or otherwise.  In today&#8217;s world, the lines have been completely blurred, and I think this is a good thing.  It&#8217;s what makes your blog interesting.  Most people have caught on to this way of life.  My father always has said (for the past 10 years or so) don&#8217;t send anything in email that you wouldnt want your mother to read [ he now applies this to the internet].  It&#8217;s a rule of thumb i&#8217;ve always followed, and one that makes sense.  I had an interesting start of a discussion about this on facebook in the &#8220;Facebook feedback and wishlists&#8221; &#8212; <a href="http://northwestern.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2608322546&amp;topic=2715" rel="nofollow">http://northwestern.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2608322546&amp;topic=2715</a> .  End of day, if facebook limits everything, my friends network becomes a lot less powerful, and the fb aspect that is most appealing &#8212; the social leveling that web 1.0 began, web 2.0 continued, and facebook begins to realize &#8212; stops.  It&#8217;s what makes your blog so powerful, and TV ho-hum.  I can leave a message and communicate with you directly.  Facebook just continues this.</p>
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		<title>By: zac echola</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-357877</link>
		<dc:creator>zac echola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great post on the topic.

I&#039;ve always had misgivings about who to friend on facebook, especially when it comes to co-workers.

I usually end up putting my co-workings on my limited profile and don&#039;t give them access to anything beyond my profile pic, my employment history, a few photo galleries and my contact info, which pretty much invalidates their access to me via the Facebook network. 

Yet, on the other hand, I have &quot;friends&quot; on Facebook like Rob Scoble and Jeremiah Owyang, who I&#039;ve never met. But they get total access to my profiles for precisely the same reason. They have no connection to me beyond the fact that I&#039;m interested in what they have to say and occasionally want to connect with them.

But in the end, Facebook is generally very good at granular privacy and will figure this out, I think. Especially with all the talk about this since they opened their doors to people outside of college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post on the topic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always had misgivings about who to friend on facebook, especially when it comes to co-workers.</p>
<p>I usually end up putting my co-workings on my limited profile and don&#8217;t give them access to anything beyond my profile pic, my employment history, a few photo galleries and my contact info, which pretty much invalidates their access to me via the Facebook network. </p>
<p>Yet, on the other hand, I have &#8220;friends&#8221; on Facebook like Rob Scoble and Jeremiah Owyang, who I&#8217;ve never met. But they get total access to my profiles for precisely the same reason. They have no connection to me beyond the fact that I&#8217;m interested in what they have to say and occasionally want to connect with them.</p>
<p>But in the end, Facebook is generally very good at granular privacy and will figure this out, I think. Especially with all the talk about this since they opened their doors to people outside of college.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-357865</link>
		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I&#039;m having second thoughts about Facebook: hasn&#039;t it turned into an unpaid MLM? -- it sort of looks that way to me... (spreading &quot;applications&quot; -- that somebody makes money off of -- through peoples&#039; contacts; it just gets free access to people&#039;s contacts for advertising purposes without compensating *anybody* at *any* level... )   D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I&#8217;m having second thoughts about Facebook: hasn&#8217;t it turned into an unpaid MLM? &#8212; it sort of looks that way to me&#8230; (spreading &#8220;applications&#8221; &#8212; that somebody makes money off of &#8212; through peoples&#8217; contacts; it just gets free access to people&#8217;s contacts for advertising purposes without compensating *anybody* at *any* level&#8230; )   D.</p>
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		<title>By: Diego</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-357843</link>
		<dc:creator>Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, have you tried http://nonews.com ? I would like to know what you think about it compared to pownce. I know it&#039;s not quite the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, have you tried <a href="http://nonews.com" rel="nofollow">http://nonews.com</a> ? I would like to know what you think about it compared to pownce. I know it&#8217;s not quite the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-357832</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It actually wouldn&#039;t take much to make Facebook friendship granular enough to address most of these concerns.  As I &lt;a href=&quot;http://troyschneider.com/blog/47/never-write-something-if-you-can-say-it-never-say-something-if-nod-will-suffice&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted recently&lt;/a&gt;, three simple tiers would probably do it:

   1. Personal Friend
   2. Colleague
   3. Acquaintance

Each category needs its own privacy settings, and you should be able to apply any or all of the three to a given friend.

It might be nice to have even more nuance, but I agree -- you don&#039;t want to make things any more complicated than absolutely necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It actually wouldn&#8217;t take much to make Facebook friendship granular enough to address most of these concerns.  As I <a href="http://troyschneider.com/blog/47/never-write-something-if-you-can-say-it-never-say-something-if-nod-will-suffice" rel="nofollow">posted recently</a>, three simple tiers would probably do it:</p>
<p>   1. Personal Friend<br />
   2. Colleague<br />
   3. Acquaintance</p>
<p>Each category needs its own privacy settings, and you should be able to apply any or all of the three to a given friend.</p>
<p>It might be nice to have even more nuance, but I agree &#8212; you don&#8217;t want to make things any more complicated than absolutely necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Nico</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-357824</link>
		<dc:creator>Nico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott Karp over at Publishing2.0 &lt;a href=&quot;http://publishing2.com/2007/08/18/the-problem-with-friends-on-the-social-graph/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote about the same topic&lt;/a&gt;. I totally agree, and I&#039;m kind of surprised that most social networking sites don&#039;t offer more tools to define your relationships more precisely. Being able to share certain information only with certain &quot;friends&quot; would make the sites much more useful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Karp over at Publishing2.0 <a href="http://publishing2.com/2007/08/18/the-problem-with-friends-on-the-social-graph/" rel="nofollow">wrote about the same topic</a>. I totally agree, and I&#8217;m kind of surprised that most social networking sites don&#8217;t offer more tools to define your relationships more precisely. Being able to share certain information only with certain &#8220;friends&#8221; would make the sites much more useful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/08/24/friendship-is-complicated/#comment-357819</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And things even get more complicated as people on Facebook tend to use the term &quot;friend&quot; in many different ways: Some try to get as many as possible, others keep it very restricted. 

And finally there are those how don&#039;t even use FB to organize their (private or business) relationships but take it as a simple marketing tool for self promotion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And things even get more complicated as people on Facebook tend to use the term &#8220;friend&#8221; in many different ways: Some try to get as many as possible, others keep it very restricted. </p>
<p>And finally there are those how don&#8217;t even use FB to organize their (private or business) relationships but take it as a simple marketing tool for self promotion&#8230;</p>
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