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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: petsman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-379252</link>
		<dc:creator>petsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dadblog &#187; Google News: the drums get louder</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-359082</link>
		<dc:creator>Dadblog &#187; Google News: the drums get louder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff points out something that hadn&#8217;t occurred to me: organisations like the PA and AP are actually owned by the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-359055</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beyond the loss in traffic from Google, the Google News story experience presents a marked contrast to that of other news sites. While many news sites throw many obstacles in the readers way -- popups, registration requirements, rich media ads, etc. -- Google News loads very fast and shows the story plus relevant related content.

I created a &lt;a href="http://blog.agrawals.org/2007/09/03/comparing-google-news-to-other-news-outlets/" rel="nofollow"&gt;screencast comparing Google News to ABCNews.com, San Antonino Express News and the Houston Chronicle for the same AP story.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyond the loss in traffic from Google, the Google News story experience presents a marked contrast to that of other news sites. While many news sites throw many obstacles in the readers way &#8212; popups, registration requirements, rich media ads, etc. &#8212; Google News loads very fast and shows the story plus relevant related content.</p>
<p>I created a <a href="http://blog.agrawals.org/2007/09/03/comparing-google-news-to-other-news-outlets/" rel="nofollow">screencast comparing Google News to ABCNews.com, San Antonino Express News and the Houston Chronicle for the same AP story.</a></p>
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		<title>By: bluntnib</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358998</link>
		<dc:creator>bluntnib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely this is good news for journalism and for those news organisations that invest in producing original content.
By licensing wire agency copy Google is accepting the principle that text based unique content has a value and should be paid for. That is a monumental shift in their approach and has profound implications. News companies should be pressing for similar licencing arrangements with Google , or a revenue share based on contextual ads   
Newspapers and other news outlets that have the will and ability to generate exclusive stories will be rightly rewarded for their efforts.
Those who rely on rehashed wire copy and are too lazy or dim to find scoops will go out of business. 
Everyone will have to raise their game</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely this is good news for journalism and for those news organisations that invest in producing original content.<br />
By licensing wire agency copy Google is accepting the principle that text based unique content has a value and should be paid for. That is a monumental shift in their approach and has profound implications. News companies should be pressing for similar licencing arrangements with Google , or a revenue share based on contextual ads<br />
Newspapers and other news outlets that have the will and ability to generate exclusive stories will be rightly rewarded for their efforts.<br />
Those who rely on rehashed wire copy and are too lazy or dim to find scoops will go out of business.<br />
Everyone will have to raise their game</p>
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		<title>By: David Dalka - Creating Revenue and Retention - Chicago GSB MBA</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358958</link>
		<dc:creator>David Dalka - Creating Revenue and Retention - Chicago GSB MBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 05:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New York Times Should Link to Original Stories From the Source...&lt;/strong&gt;

Google announced this major event quietly on a Friday before a major holiday. That in itself is highly interesting, but will not be the focus of this discussion. At 10:48AM (not sure what time zone) on Friday, August 31st, 2007 Google News Business Pro...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New York Times Should Link to Original Stories From the Source&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Google announced this major event quietly on a Friday before a major holiday. That in itself is highly interesting, but will not be the focus of this discussion. At 10:48AM (not sure what time zone) on Friday, August 31st, 2007 Google News Business Pro&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358940</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 02:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears your blog ate my trackback or held it for moderation. Would welcome your reponse to the issues I've raised. 

http://www.daviddalka.com/createvalue/2007/09/02/new-york-times-should-link-to-original-stories-from-the-source/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears your blog ate my trackback or held it for moderation. Would welcome your reponse to the issues I&#8217;ve raised. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.daviddalka.com/createvalue/2007/09/02/new-york-times-should-link-to-original-stories-from-the-source/" rel="nofollow">http://www.daviddalka.com/createvalue/2007/09/02/new-york-times-should-link-to-original-stories-from-the-source/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Journalism &#38; Media Discussion Forum: The End of Journalism? &#187; Blog Archive : Google deal uncovers truth that AP is now a competitor to newspapers, and papers are suckers for being members of it &#187; Google deal uncovers truth that AP is now a</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358875</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalism &#38; Media Discussion Forum: The End of Journalism? &#187; Blog Archive : Google deal uncovers truth that AP is now a competitor to newspapers, and papers are suckers for being members of it &#187; Google deal uncovers truth that AP is now a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reported by Jeff Jarvis and many others, Google News has just reached the incredibly obvious conclusion that its readers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Google News starts hosting wire service content &#171; reDesign</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358870</link>
		<dc:creator>Google News starts hosting wire service content &#171; reDesign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358869</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Itâ€™s almost as if the industry just gave Google a license to hold onto readers."

Absolutely. And not just to hold onto those readers, but to show them a better news experience. See more on that in my write up of &lt;a href="http://blog.agrawals.org/2007/09/02/google-news-starts-hosting-wire-service-content/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Google's move to host wire content.&lt;/a&gt;

The real problem here is of channel conflict. The smartest move would be for AP, AFP, etc. to create their own branded sites and have Google point to their versions for them to monetize. This is what Reuters does, pointing traffic to Reuters.com.

AP decided a while back not to go that route because it didn't want to annoy its newspaper partners/owners by building its own competing destination site. Instead, it hosts stories for partner newspapers in an awkward, not SEO friendly, template. 

And it sells the feeds to AOL, Yahoo and now Google for them to build the competing sites that the newspapers don't want AP to build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s almost as if the industry just gave Google a license to hold onto readers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely. And not just to hold onto those readers, but to show them a better news experience. See more on that in my write up of <a href="http://blog.agrawals.org/2007/09/02/google-news-starts-hosting-wire-service-content/" rel="nofollow">Google&#8217;s move to host wire content.</a></p>
<p>The real problem here is of channel conflict. The smartest move would be for AP, AFP, etc. to create their own branded sites and have Google point to their versions for them to monetize. This is what Reuters does, pointing traffic to Reuters.com.</p>
<p>AP decided a while back not to go that route because it didn&#8217;t want to annoy its newspaper partners/owners by building its own competing destination site. Instead, it hosts stories for partner newspapers in an awkward, not SEO friendly, template. </p>
<p>And it sells the feeds to AOL, Yahoo and now Google for them to build the competing sites that the newspapers don&#8217;t want AP to build.</p>
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		<title>By: Google deal uncovers truth that AP is now a competitor to newspapers, and papers are suckers for being members of it &#171; The Future of News</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358868</link>
		<dc:creator>Google deal uncovers truth that AP is now a competitor to newspapers, and papers are suckers for being members of it &#171; The Future of News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] being members of&#160;it 9/2/07 Posted by Steve Boriss in GoogleNews, AP. trackback  As reported by Jeff Jarvis and many others, Google News has just reached the incredibly obvious conclusion that its readers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] being members of&nbsp;it 9/2/07 Posted by Steve Boriss in GoogleNews, AP. trackback  As reported by Jeff Jarvis and many others, Google News has just reached the incredibly obvious conclusion that its readers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358864</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 18:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;A big reason for that is wire services are losing their relevance because theyâ€™re serving up content that be found all over the Web.&lt;/em&gt;

I think this is mistaking cause and effect. Most of that stuff is all over the web because it was initially reported by the wires and has been picked up by dozens of different newspaper sites, plus Yahoo News etc.

Wire services are far from irrelevant online. Quite the contrary. Chris Paterson of Leeds University has shown (&lt;a href="http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/cicr/exhibits/42/cicrpaterson.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;PDF&lt;/a&gt;), the agencies are the dominant sources of online news, particularly in international coverage. Most people just never noticed because their stories appear under other people's brands. Google, however, quickly understood this feature of online news because of the problem they had with duplicated wire stories on Google News.

This doesn't suggest the "irrelvance" of wire services. It does suggest something that has been discussed for years -- that news wholesalers are coming into competition with the retailers they traditionally supplied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>A big reason for that is wire services are losing their relevance because theyâ€™re serving up content that be found all over the Web.</em></p>
<p>I think this is mistaking cause and effect. Most of that stuff is all over the web because it was initially reported by the wires and has been picked up by dozens of different newspaper sites, plus Yahoo News etc.</p>
<p>Wire services are far from irrelevant online. Quite the contrary. Chris Paterson of Leeds University has shown (<a href="http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/cicr/exhibits/42/cicrpaterson.pdf" rel="nofollow">PDF</a>), the agencies are the dominant sources of online news, particularly in international coverage. Most people just never noticed because their stories appear under other people&#8217;s brands. Google, however, quickly understood this feature of online news because of the problem they had with duplicated wire stories on Google News.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t suggest the &#8220;irrelvance&#8221; of wire services. It does suggest something that has been discussed for years &#8212; that news wholesalers are coming into competition with the retailers they traditionally supplied.</p>
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		<title>By: Insider Chatter by Donna Bogatin &#187; Buzz Kill: What Would Google Do? DON&#8217;T ASK!</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358852</link>
		<dc:creator>Insider Chatter by Donna Bogatin &#187; Buzz Kill: What Would Google Do? DON&#8217;T ASK!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis has unequivocally stated that: &#8220;Yes, Google is the new God.&#8221; Even HIS faith appears a bit shaken, however, in light of Google&#8217;s latest News moves: I keep saying that the industry is not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jarvis has unequivocally stated that: &#8220;Yes, Google is the new God.&#8221; Even HIS faith appears a bit shaken, however, in light of Google&#8217;s latest News moves: I keep saying that the industry is not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358850</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth be told, the relationship between newspapers and wire services have been falling apart the last few years. A big reason for that is wire services are losing their relevance because they're serving up content that be found all over the Web. In other words, the content has become a commodity because everyone's got it.

What newspapers need these days to stay viable is more local content as well as insightful and intelligent writing that you can't easily get online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth be told, the relationship between newspapers and wire services have been falling apart the last few years. A big reason for that is wire services are losing their relevance because they&#8217;re serving up content that be found all over the Web. In other words, the content has become a commodity because everyone&#8217;s got it.</p>
<p>What newspapers need these days to stay viable is more local content as well as insightful and intelligent writing that you can&#8217;t easily get online.</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Jive Interests &#187; Google News Vindicates Conspiracy Theorists: To (Re)Publish and Host News!</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358815</link>
		<dc:creator>Deep Jive Interests &#187; Google News Vindicates Conspiracy Theorists: To (Re)Publish and Host News!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis thinks that all of this should be an impetus to improve journalism, rather than think of it as a threat to journalism (can I get a hell [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Isaac Sabetai</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358813</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac Sabetai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff - I agree with your post. 

This deal can be a lifesaver and a wake up call for local newspapers. 

In my 35k circ daily, AP is becoming less important and valued. Most days at least three of the four front-page stories are local and many days we don't think a wire story is worthy of the frontpage. You often hear an editor grumble how much we're paying AP and how little they're delivering. On our Web site we have some automatic AP feeds but they're at the bottom and don't get many clicks. 

I have a feeling some papers are questioning the value of AP since it's so prevalent online and their stories are old news when the morning edition is printed. It's only a matter of time before newspapers pull out of the AP.

When that happens, AP will take a huge budget hit. (Keep in mind there are only a few newspaper corps. Imagine if Gannett orders local papers to cut AP). Many local news stories on AP are from members and rewritten by AP. Those stories will vanish. AP will only have enough manpower and funds to cover major stories such as politics, wars, etc. They won't have as many local stories for Google to sell targeted ads to. Google's AP news will compete with national news outlets. 

People seeking local news won't find it on google or yahoo. They'll get it from their local news outlet.

Now my scenario assumes many things like newspaper execs being forward thinking enough (hasn't been the case). But Google's deal should spur some papers into becoming more local and focusing on what they do that is unique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff - I agree with your post. </p>
<p>This deal can be a lifesaver and a wake up call for local newspapers. </p>
<p>In my 35k circ daily, AP is becoming less important and valued. Most days at least three of the four front-page stories are local and many days we don&#8217;t think a wire story is worthy of the frontpage. You often hear an editor grumble how much we&#8217;re paying AP and how little they&#8217;re delivering. On our Web site we have some automatic AP feeds but they&#8217;re at the bottom and don&#8217;t get many clicks. </p>
<p>I have a feeling some papers are questioning the value of AP since it&#8217;s so prevalent online and their stories are old news when the morning edition is printed. It&#8217;s only a matter of time before newspapers pull out of the AP.</p>
<p>When that happens, AP will take a huge budget hit. (Keep in mind there are only a few newspaper corps. Imagine if Gannett orders local papers to cut AP). Many local news stories on AP are from members and rewritten by AP. Those stories will vanish. AP will only have enough manpower and funds to cover major stories such as politics, wars, etc. They won&#8217;t have as many local stories for Google to sell targeted ads to. Google&#8217;s AP news will compete with national news outlets. </p>
<p>People seeking local news won&#8217;t find it on google or yahoo. They&#8217;ll get it from their local news outlet.</p>
<p>Now my scenario assumes many things like newspaper execs being forward thinking enough (hasn&#8217;t been the case). But Google&#8217;s deal should spur some papers into becoming more local and focusing on what they do that is unique.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-09-02 &#171; David Black</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358806</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-09-02 &#171; David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Link v. read - BuzzMachine &#8220;Now â€” by forcing full wire-service stories to be on display at GoogleNews and with the addition of comments as content there â€” itâ€™s likely that people will stay longer at Google and link less to news sites. &#8220; (tags: internet vertical search news aggregators google googlenews newspapersites journalism pa .) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Link v. read - BuzzMachine &#8220;Now â€” by forcing full wire-service stories to be on display at GoogleNews and with the addition of comments as content there â€” itâ€™s likely that people will stay longer at Google and link less to news sites. &#8220; (tags: internet vertical search news aggregators google googlenews newspapersites journalism pa .) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Boriss</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/01/link-v-read/#comment-358789</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Boriss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, The problem is not Google.  It is the AP.  What newspapers do not yet realize, and may never realize, is that they have established, funded, and shared stories with an organization that now competes with them.  I'll probably be posting on this Sunday night (Steve Boriss, &lt;a href="http://www.thefutureofnews.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Future of News&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, The problem is not Google.  It is the AP.  What newspapers do not yet realize, and may never realize, is that they have established, funded, and shared stories with an organization that now competes with them.  I&#8217;ll probably be posting on this Sunday night (Steve Boriss, <a href="http://www.thefutureofnews.com" rel="nofollow">The Future of News</a>)</p>
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