Comments on: Times deselected http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:28:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: financial spreadbetting http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-421975 financial spreadbetting Fri, 13 Aug 2010 05:45:32 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-421975 The Times have again started charging to use their website. The Times have again started charging to use their website.

]]> By: Should online news be free? by Rebecca Sloan « Kinetic Communications http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-407742 Should online news be free? by Rebecca Sloan « Kinetic Communications Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:20:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-407742 [...] what’s the solution? Jeff Jarvis, author of ‘What would Google Do?’ has the right idea. He argues that owning or distributing content no longer holds any value and that news sources should use [...] [...] what’s the solution? Jeff Jarvis, author of ‘What would Google Do?’ has the right idea. He argues that owning or distributing content no longer holds any value and that news sources should use [...]

]]> By: Extra! Extra! Paperless Society Almost Here « the story http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-405896 Extra! Extra! Paperless Society Almost Here « the story Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:27:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-405896 [...] media, having a big audience is what counts because those metrics can be turned into ad revenue. BuzzMachine put it like this: And TimesSelect cost the paper much more in the internet age: It took the Times [...] [...] media, having a big audience is what counts because those metrics can be turned into ad revenue. BuzzMachine put it like this: And TimesSelect cost the paper much more in the internet age: It took the Times [...]

]]> By: LawLawLaw 2007-10-17 @ErikJHeels http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-393297 LawLawLaw 2007-10-17 @ErikJHeels Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:24:56 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-393297 [...] presumably to compete with (bury?) Amazon. Even The New York Times began to see the digital light. The New York Times freed 20 years of archives, ending its failed pay-to-read TimesSelect service. There are plenty of counter-examples, but [...] [...] presumably to compete with (bury?) Amazon. Even The New York Times began to see the digital light. The New York Times freed 20 years of archives, ending its failed pay-to-read TimesSelect service. There are plenty of counter-examples, but [...]

]]> By: Investment Banking, Research, and Operating Executives for Private Equity & Venture Capital » Blog Archive » Content is Dead, Community is King? The Promises and Risks of Social Networking in the Information Industry http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-393033 Investment Banking, Research, and Operating Executives for Private Equity & Venture Capital » Blog Archive » Content is Dead, Community is King? The Promises and Risks of Social Networking in the Information Industry Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:38:18 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-393033 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: Spalpeen :: The Fahrenheit 451 approach to saving newspapers http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-391549 Spalpeen :: The Fahrenheit 451 approach to saving newspapers Mon, 09 Mar 2009 06:08:25 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-391549 [...] printing information on paper don’t seem to be selling either. And as far as I can tell, internet articles behind paywalls don’t seem to sell [...] [...] printing information on paper don’t seem to be selling either. And as far as I can tell, internet articles behind paywalls don’t seem to sell [...]

]]> By: Content is Dead, Community is King? The Promises and Risks of Social Networking in the Information Industry : Easy Idiot - get better knowledge http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-391015 Content is Dead, Community is King? The Promises and Risks of Social Networking in the Information Industry : Easy Idiot - get better knowledge Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:24:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-391015 [...] Just one last comment, it is short sighted to think of this in monetary terms. The NYTimes missed opportunities by charging people for viewing the Times’ archived content. While they made money, the Times lost [...] [...] Just one last comment, it is short sighted to think of this in monetary terms. The NYTimes missed opportunities by charging people for viewing the Times’ archived content. While they made money, the Times lost [...]

]]> By: Content is Dead, Community is King? The Promises and Risks of Social Networking in the Information Industry « Easy IQ tests http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-390163 Content is Dead, Community is King? The Promises and Risks of Social Networking in the Information Industry « Easy IQ tests Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:38:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-390163 [...] Just one last comment, it is short sighted to think of this in monetary terms. The NYTimes missed opportunities by charging people for viewing the Times’ archived content. While they made money, the Times lost [...] [...] Just one last comment, it is short sighted to think of this in monetary terms. The NYTimes missed opportunities by charging people for viewing the Times’ archived content. While they made money, the Times lost [...]

]]> By: links for 2008-07-11 « Network(ed)News Bookmarks http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-378998 links for 2008-07-11 « Network(ed)News Bookmarks Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:38:42 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-378998 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected No one with sufficient experience ever thought that TimesSelect made good business sense. It was the last gasp of the circulation mentality, the belief that consumers would pay for content even as the internet revealed the value in media is conversation. (tags: business content conversation free nytimes advertising journalism media newspapers paywall TimesSelect jeffjarvis) [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected No one with sufficient experience ever thought that TimesSelect made good business sense. It was the last gasp of the circulation mentality, the belief that consumers would pay for content even as the internet revealed the value in media is conversation. (tags: business content conversation free nytimes advertising journalism media newspapers paywall TimesSelect jeffjarvis) [...]

]]> By: NYT’s arkivbrowser http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-377036 NYT’s arkivbrowser Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:41:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-377036 [...] York Times har siden i høst åpnet døren for sine lesere, etter å ha brukt mye ressurser på å gjemme stoffet sitt bak [...] [...] York Times har siden i høst åpnet døren for sine lesere, etter å ha brukt mye ressurser på å gjemme stoffet sitt bak [...]

]]> By: Yıldönümü information » Blog Archives » Synecdoche, New York http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-374800 Yıldönümü information » Blog Archives » Synecdoche, New York Fri, 09 May 2008 21:31:42 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-374800 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected Jeff Jarvis wrote a very thoughtful analysis of the New York Times decision Jarvis wrote the definitive judgement on the New York Times decision to drop [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected Jeff Jarvis wrote a very thoughtful analysis of the New York Times decision Jarvis wrote the definitive judgement on the New York Times decision to drop [...]

]]> By: VOICES: FREE BEFORE FREE at WHAT’S NEXT: INNOVATIONS IN NEWSPAPERS http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-373216 VOICES: FREE BEFORE FREE at WHAT’S NEXT: INNOVATIONS IN NEWSPAPERS Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:32:03 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-373216 [...] from Jeff Jarvis: “Don’t let anyone tell you that this is bad for the content [...] [...] from Jeff Jarvis: “Don’t let anyone tell you that this is bad for the content [...]

]]> By: Desmond Lazinsjie http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-362589 Desmond Lazinsjie Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:04:10 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-362589 Its not just the Times Select that is gone. Looks like they have opened up a lot of free public domain content from the very beginning of the archives: http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2007/10/nytimes-archives-hack-google-maps.html#links Its not just the Times Select that is gone. Looks like they have opened up a lot of free public domain content from the very beginning of the archives:

http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2007/10/nytimes-archives-hack-google-maps.html#links

]]> By: Second Coming Four Defining Principles of Web 2.0 | ConsumerNoise http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361465 Second Coming Four Defining Principles of Web 2.0 | ConsumerNoise Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:40:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361465 [...] sites and media portals to personal and professional blogs to individual MySpace pages. The recent fall of the New York Times’ content wall, Times Select, is a key indicator that we are now officially in an Attention Based Economy. With [...] [...] sites and media portals to personal and professional blogs to individual MySpace pages. The recent fall of the New York Times’ content wall, Times Select, is a key indicator that we are now officially in an Attention Based Economy. With [...]

]]> By: The End of an Era? « Public Relations Rogue http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361458 The End of an Era? « Public Relations Rogue Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:07:53 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361458 [...] in the coffin of paid media online. The outcome was inevitable. At least that’s the view of Jeff Jarvis and other pundits. Take a look at the news as reported in the Times [...] [...] in the coffin of paid media online. The outcome was inevitable. At least that’s the view of Jeff Jarvis and other pundits. Take a look at the news as reported in the Times [...]

]]> By: Doc Searls Weblog · NYTimes discovers the Paywall doesn't pay http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361440 Doc Searls Weblog · NYTimes discovers the Paywall doesn't pay Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:38:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361440 [...] the phone business they call it a “minutes mentality”. For the newspaper business Jeff Jarvis cals it a “circulation mentality”. But the sad fact is that it’s a margin mentality that [...] [...] the phone business they call it a “minutes mentality”. For the newspaper business Jeff Jarvis cals it a “circulation mentality”. But the sad fact is that it’s a margin mentality that [...]

]]> By: Journalism Daily - Today’s Top Blog Posts on Journalism - Powered by SocialRank http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361047 Journalism Daily - Today’s Top Blog Posts on Journalism - Powered by SocialRank Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:03:16 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361047 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected [...]

]]> By: New Media Signal - Today’s Top Blog Posts on New Media - Powered by SocialRank http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361028 New Media Signal - Today’s Top Blog Posts on New Media - Powered by SocialRank Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:13:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361028 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected [...]

]]> By: All Night Coder - Today’s Top Blog Posts on Programming - Powered by SocialRank http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361023 All Night Coder - Today’s Top Blog Posts on Programming - Powered by SocialRank Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:28:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361023 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected [...]

]]> By: Apple Fever - Today’s Top Blog Posts on Apple - Powered by SocialRank http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361022 Apple Fever - Today’s Top Blog Posts on Apple - Powered by SocialRank Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:26:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-361022 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Times deselected [...]

]]> By: Matthew Chamberlin http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-360785 Matthew Chamberlin Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:06:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-360785 Wonderful post. Linked back to it on my blog. Information is out there and it's free. That is not to suggest that there is NOTHING worth paying for online, but you have to do a better job picking your spots. Wonderful post. Linked back to it on my blog.

Information is out there and it’s free. That is not to suggest that there is NOTHING worth paying for online, but you have to do a better job picking your spots.

]]> By: Charles on… anything that comes along » So if we don’t have paywalls.. what happens when there’s an advertising crunch? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-360755 Charles on… anything that comes along » So if we don’t have paywalls.. what happens when there’s an advertising crunch? Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:34:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-360755 [...] and down with joy over the fact that the New York Times has torn down its paywall. Jarvis makes the very good point that part of the reason people wouldn’t pay for stuff was that it wasn’t *useful* [...] [...] and down with joy over the fact that the New York Times has torn down its paywall. Jarvis makes the very good point that part of the reason people wouldn’t pay for stuff was that it wasn’t *useful* [...]

]]> By: Memex 1.1 » Blog Archive » The market for blather http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-360696 Memex 1.1 » Blog Archive » The market for blather Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:27:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-360696 [...] Jarvis wrote the definitive judgement on the New York Times decision to drop its paywall. It’s a good read, but what struck me most [...] [...] Jarvis wrote the definitive judgement on the New York Times decision to drop its paywall. It’s a good read, but what struck me most [...]

]]> By: Transnets » Blog Archive » Microsoft, Facebook, Google, New York Times et Pudding http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-360665 Transnets » Blog Archive » Microsoft, Facebook, Google, New York Times et Pudding Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:53:35 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-360665 [...] Il parie entièrement sur la publicité et, pour cela, sur le fait que ses articles seront trouvables grâce aux liens qui pointent dans leur direction et aux moteurs de recherche qui pourront recenser leur existence. [...] [...] Il parie entièrement sur la publicité et, pour cela, sur le fait que ses articles seront trouvables grâce aux liens qui pointent dans leur direction et aux moteurs de recherche qui pourront recenser leur existence. [...]

]]> By: Sabrina Jaszi http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-360611 Sabrina Jaszi Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:12:10 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/17/times-deselected/#comment-360611 Hi Jeff, Great post. It really cleared up a lot for me. I'm currently working in Ukraine for an online and print magazine all about trends in mass media called Telekritika. They want me to write an article about this "new" trend towards free online content. The idea of the article is to demystify the process of revenue through online advertising for a community several steps behind in terms of online readership, and popularity of the online medium. That is to say, that in Ukraine, most publication offer their online versions for free, but have not yet figured out how to make a profit, or much revenue at all, from advertisement. Any advice for Ukrainian journals and newspapers just starting out online? If this is something that interests you, let me know, and we could talk further about it. Sabrina Hi Jeff,

Great post. It really cleared up a lot for me.

I’m currently working in Ukraine for an online and print magazine all about trends in mass media called Telekritika. They want me to write an article about this “new” trend towards free online content. The idea of the article is to demystify the process of revenue through online advertising for a community several steps behind in terms of online readership, and popularity of the online medium. That is to say, that in Ukraine, most publication offer their online versions for free, but have not yet figured out how to make a profit, or much revenue at all, from advertisement.

Any advice for Ukrainian journals and newspapers just starting out online? If this is something that interests you, let me know, and we could talk further about it.

Sabrina

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