Comments on: Post-media journalism http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:43:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: MediaBlog » De krant blijft altijd bestaan (21 drogredenen) http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-390328 MediaBlog » De krant blijft altijd bestaan (21 drogredenen) Sat, 07 Feb 2009 12:34:35 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-390328 [...] is dan de toekomst van kranten. Wie begrijpt dat er iets moet bestaan als post-media journalism (Jeff Jarvis), moet zichzelf niet langer voor de gek [...] [...] is dan de toekomst van kranten. Wie begrijpt dat er iets moet bestaan als post-media journalism (Jeff Jarvis), moet zichzelf niet langer voor de gek [...]

]]> By: De nieuwe reporter » Blog Archive » 2008: Het jaar dat alles anders werd http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-387683 De nieuwe reporter » Blog Archive » 2008: Het jaar dat alles anders werd Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:37:46 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-387683 [...] van de media is het lot van de journalistiek. Is een post-mediale journalistiek denkbaar, vroeg Jeff Jarvis zich ooit af. Hoezeer ik ook doordrongen ben van de noodzaak van journalistiek, als waakhond in een [...] [...] van de media is het lot van de journalistiek. Is een post-mediale journalistiek denkbaar, vroeg Jeff Jarvis zich ooit af. Hoezeer ik ook doordrongen ben van de noodzaak van journalistiek, als waakhond in een [...]

]]> By: MediaBlog » 2008: Het Jaar Dat Alles Anders Werd http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-387682 MediaBlog » 2008: Het Jaar Dat Alles Anders Werd Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:34:59 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-387682 [...] van de media is het lot van de journalistiek. Is een post-mediale journalistiek denkbaar, vroeg Jeff Jarvis zich ooit af. Hoezeer ik ook doordrongen ben van de noodzaak van journalistiek, als waakhond in een [...] [...] van de media is het lot van de journalistiek. Is een post-mediale journalistiek denkbaar, vroeg Jeff Jarvis zich ooit af. Hoezeer ik ook doordrongen ben van de noodzaak van journalistiek, als waakhond in een [...]

]]> By: Post Media Planning and Buying « http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-385204 Post Media Planning and Buying « Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:19:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-385204 [...] Jeff Jarvis coined the phrase Post Media a while ago and it seems to find traction in Social Media Circles. How will the Post Media Agency be reimbursed for their thinking and execution? The commission model makes no sense in the post media world. We will see a much stronger correlation between business goals/objectives and agency fees. And business goals won’t be determined by sales or leads alone, they will be defined as connections and relationships. We’ve seen first steps into that direction but we’ve just begun. [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis coined the phrase Post Media a while ago and it seems to find traction in Social Media Circles. How will the Post Media Agency be reimbursed for their thinking and execution? The commission model makes no sense in the post media world. We will see a much stronger correlation between business goals/objectives and agency fees. And business goals won’t be determined by sales or leads alone, they will be defined as connections and relationships. We’ve seen first steps into that direction but we’ve just begun. [...]

]]> By: Communications in a Post Media World | chrisbrogan.com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-385194 Communications in a Post Media World | chrisbrogan.com Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:06:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-385194 [...] who used the term “post media company” to refer to Google. I found an older reference here pointing to this [...] [...] who used the term “post media company” to refer to Google. I found an older reference here pointing to this [...]

]]> By: Niet de macht van het medium maar de kracht van het verhaal | http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-372921 Niet de macht van het medium maar de kracht van het verhaal | Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:09:00 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-372921 [...] betekent niet dat journalisten overbodig worden. Ook experts verdwijnen niet. Maar post-media-journalisten moeten begrijpen dat ze het niet meer moeten hebben van de macht van hun medium, maar van de kracht [...] [...] betekent niet dat journalisten overbodig worden. Ook experts verdwijnen niet. Maar post-media-journalisten moeten begrijpen dat ze het niet meer moeten hebben van de macht van hun medium, maar van de kracht [...]

]]> By: MediaBlog » Niet de Macht van het Medium maar de Kracht van het Verhaal http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-372741 MediaBlog » Niet de Macht van het Medium maar de Kracht van het Verhaal Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:02:41 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-372741 [...] betekent niet dat journalisten overbodig worden. Ook experts verdwijnen niet. Maar post-media-journalisten moeten begrijpen dat ze het niet meer moeten hebben van de macht van hun medium, maar van de kracht [...] [...] betekent niet dat journalisten overbodig worden. Ook experts verdwijnen niet. Maar post-media-journalisten moeten begrijpen dat ze het niet meer moeten hebben van de macht van hun medium, maar van de kracht [...]

]]> By: Journalism Daily - Today’s Top Blog Posts on Journalism - Powered by SocialRank http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-361054 Journalism Daily - Today’s Top Blog Posts on Journalism - Powered by SocialRank Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:05:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-361054 [...] Post-media journalism [...] [...] Post-media journalism [...]

]]> By: Dear Mr. Winer: « Network(ed)News http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360790 Dear Mr. Winer: « Network(ed)News Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:48:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360790 [...] think Mr. Jarvis likes this general idea of maps, which I’ve been publicly and privately writing about for upwards [...] [...] think Mr. Jarvis likes this general idea of maps, which I’ve been publicly and privately writing about for upwards [...]

]]> By: Beta Alfa » Bloggosfären krymper — postbloggosfären http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360768 Beta Alfa » Bloggosfären krymper — postbloggosfären Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:47:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360768 [...] Jeff Jarvis skrev igÃ¥r om post-media-journalistik. Vi är i en tid dÃ¥ mediet i sig inte spelar roll. Det är konversationen som är det viktiga. [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis skrev igÃ¥r om post-media-journalistik. Vi är i en tid dÃ¥ mediet i sig inte spelar roll. Det är konversationen som är det viktiga. [...]

]]> By: MediaBlog » Journalistiek in het post-media tijdperk http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360738 MediaBlog » Journalistiek in het post-media tijdperk Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:18:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360738 [...] term las ik bij Jeff Jarvis: It beats social-media for what follows in news is more than media and more than social. We don’t [...] [...] term las ik bij Jeff Jarvis: It beats social-media for what follows in news is more than media and more than social. We don’t [...]

]]> By: Mário http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360716 Mário Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:17:03 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360716 The medium is no more the message The medium is no more the message

]]> By: Charlie Beckett http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360687 Charlie Beckett Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:55:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360687 I don't think you can be 'post-media'. I am not sure you can be post-journalism either. That's like being 'post-economic' or 'post society'. Mainstream mass journalism was a type of media and now its changing. I think 'Networked Journalism' is a label for 'post-mainstream mass news media' that covers most bases. But people have always communicated about topical issues and events outside of the professional news media. The difference now is that 'citizen media' is being enpowered and blossoms in to new forms. I don’t think you can be ‘post-media’. I am not sure you can be post-journalism either. That’s like being ‘post-economic’ or ‘post society’. Mainstream mass journalism was a type of media and now its changing. I think ‘Networked Journalism’ is a label for ‘post-mainstream mass news media’ that covers most bases. But people have always communicated about topical issues and events outside of the professional news media. The difference now is that ‘citizen media’ is being enpowered and blossoms in to new forms.

]]> By: Ydobon http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360682 Ydobon Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:46:59 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360682 "Journalism" was perfect but is now perfectly debased. Neo-journalism? "New" journalism in name but really journalism as it should have been all along, plus the frisson of fear from the partial connection to neo-conservative. What is a web log but a journal in it's original, purest form? “Journalism” was perfect but is now perfectly debased.

Neo-journalism? “New” journalism in name but really journalism as it should have been all along, plus the frisson of fear from the partial connection to neo-conservative.

What is a web log but a journal in it’s original, purest form?

]]> By: Caplan http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360674 Caplan Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:37:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360674 Herbert Marshall McLuhan long ago exposed the charade of 'media-journalism' in his most popular work-- "Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man" (1964). McLuhan would have well understood current flaps over TV news-anchors Dan Rather & Katie Couric; they are not journalists, but media performers. Their alleged news-content/journalism is trivial compared to the impact of the huge media stage (..circus ?) they use to communicate with the masses. The internet medium is much less fertile to celebrity performers & pretenders. MSM "news-content" is unimportant... and usually non-existent. The medium is the message. Herbert Marshall McLuhan long ago exposed the charade of ‘media-journalism’ in his most popular work– “Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man” (1964).

McLuhan would have well understood current flaps over TV news-anchors Dan Rather & Katie Couric; they are not journalists, but media performers. Their alleged news-content/journalism is trivial compared to the impact of the huge media stage (..circus ?) they use to communicate with the masses. The internet medium is much less fertile to celebrity performers & pretenders.

MSM “news-content” is unimportant… and usually non-existent.

The medium is the message.

]]> By: Steve Boriss http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360672 Steve Boriss Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:23:47 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/25/post-media-journalism/#comment-360672 Actually, I would prefer the term "post-journalism media," given how much of the journalism dogma of the past century has been found to be untrue, unwanted by news consumers, and unable to survive in a newly competitive environment, e.g. objectivity, the discipline of verification, the public's right to know, and the limited ability of journalists to deliver real truth given their limited resources. (Steve Boriss, <a href="http://www.thefutureofnews.com" rel="nofollow">The Future of News</a>) Actually, I would prefer the term “post-journalism media,” given how much of the journalism dogma of the past century has been found to be untrue, unwanted by news consumers, and unable to survive in a newly competitive environment, e.g. objectivity, the discipline of verification, the public’s right to know, and the limited ability of journalists to deliver real truth given their limited resources. (Steve Boriss, The Future of News)

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