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		<title>By: Recommended Reading - October 2, 2007 &#124; PR2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-392020</link>
		<dc:creator>Recommended Reading - October 2, 2007 &#124; PR2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The problem with newspaper blogs is... Jeff Jarvis argues that newspapers should not be big brands but big collections of brands [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wedding Photographers</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-366141</link>
		<dc:creator>Wedding Photographers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like newspaper blogs, especially when they are blogs written by the authors of the articles.  I think those are the only blogs that should be &quot;sponsored&quot; by the newspapers, and if they choose to include other bloggers, they should be separate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like newspaper blogs, especially when they are blogs written by the authors of the articles.  I think those are the only blogs that should be &#8220;sponsored&#8221; by the newspapers, and if they choose to include other bloggers, they should be separate.</p>
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		<title>By: &#124; Sports 4 Dorks</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#124; Sports 4 Dorks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going on at various newspapers and websites over the past year. It&#8217;s amazing how quickly blogging has become a prominent part of many mainstream websites and the blog influence figures to get even stronger now that bloggers are starting to get into [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] going on at various newspapers and websites over the past year. It&#8217;s amazing how quickly blogging has become a prominent part of many mainstream websites and the blog influence figures to get even stronger now that bloggers are starting to get into [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A bon entendeur...</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-362905</link>
		<dc:creator>A bon entendeur...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;News orgs should manage a looser&#160;brand...&lt;/strong&gt;

Jeff Jarvis talking about the trouble with newspaper blogs in general, which tend to lack focus. I quite agree with him when he suggests,
So I think that if newspapers are going to blog, they should have lots of blogs at lots of addresses, lots of peop...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>News orgs should manage a looser&nbsp;brand&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Jeff Jarvis talking about the trouble with newspaper blogs in general, which tend to lack focus. I quite agree with him when he suggests,<br />
So I think that if newspapers are going to blog, they should have lots of blogs at lots of addresses, lots of peop&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-10-05 at Framtider.net</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-361257</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-10-05 at Framtider.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» The problem with newspaper blogs is . . . &#8220;So I think that if newspapers are going to blog, they should have lots of blogs at lots of addresses, lots of people creating lots of brands. And this also means that they must be written in the human voice /&#8230;/, not the cold voice of the institution.&#8221; (tags: jeff_jarvis buzzmachine bloggosfÃ¤ren medier) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-361209</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no doubt that vertically integrated sites (single topic, in depth) sites sponsored by and driven by newspaper and media companies, are going to be important in the near term (2 to 3 years) and likely in the long term. Driven by personal passions, the need to deliver focused advertising results, the changing online ad metrics, the availability of &#039;general&#039; news from so many sources...AND the pure blizzard of information the web represents... the public at large WANTS some filtering done and Google is only good insofar as you KNOW what to search for. NEW knowledge isn&#039;t necessarily served that well. People DO know that they like baseball, or that they want to go somewhere on Friday night...and blogs are such a primarily linear experience (not to mention shot through with often excessive ramblings) that while they &#039;work&#039; they don&#039;t serve certain needs very well. You could say that a section of a newspaper site...Sports or Entertainment could do this... but the limitations of the advertising models thus far employed tend to make this  unsupportable. The vertical site...for Local Sports or Local Entertainment makes more &quot;useful knowledge&quot; sense and for advertisers... more &quot;cost effective&quot; sense. The search model for advertising essentially destroys the conventional &quot;serendipity&quot; model ie; &#039;I was looking for the game stats and just happened to see your tire ad.&#039; But there&#039;s still room for the old model... in fact with more focused content it&#039;s revitalized, permitting more demographically targeted advertising than ever. Watch for more media companies to try specialized sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that vertically integrated sites (single topic, in depth) sites sponsored by and driven by newspaper and media companies, are going to be important in the near term (2 to 3 years) and likely in the long term. Driven by personal passions, the need to deliver focused advertising results, the changing online ad metrics, the availability of &#8216;general&#8217; news from so many sources&#8230;AND the pure blizzard of information the web represents&#8230; the public at large WANTS some filtering done and Google is only good insofar as you KNOW what to search for. NEW knowledge isn&#8217;t necessarily served that well. People DO know that they like baseball, or that they want to go somewhere on Friday night&#8230;and blogs are such a primarily linear experience (not to mention shot through with often excessive ramblings) that while they &#8216;work&#8217; they don&#8217;t serve certain needs very well. You could say that a section of a newspaper site&#8230;Sports or Entertainment could do this&#8230; but the limitations of the advertising models thus far employed tend to make this  unsupportable. The vertical site&#8230;for Local Sports or Local Entertainment makes more &#8220;useful knowledge&#8221; sense and for advertisers&#8230; more &#8220;cost effective&#8221; sense. The search model for advertising essentially destroys the conventional &#8220;serendipity&#8221; model ie; &#8216;I was looking for the game stats and just happened to see your tire ad.&#8217; But there&#8217;s still room for the old model&#8230; in fact with more focused content it&#8217;s revitalized, permitting more demographically targeted advertising than ever. Watch for more media companies to try specialized sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-361204</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting read.  Regarding the ghettoization of blogs on newspaper sites.  I checked out the NY Times and USA Today.  When you click on the reporter&#039;s name at a story&#039;s lead, it takes you to previous stories that he or she has written.  Would it be bad form to also have a link to his or her blog in the same place?  It should be clearly marked - blog - but I think readers have the ability to know the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting read.  Regarding the ghettoization of blogs on newspaper sites.  I checked out the NY Times and USA Today.  When you click on the reporter&#8217;s name at a story&#8217;s lead, it takes you to previous stories that he or she has written.  Would it be bad form to also have a link to his or her blog in the same place?  It should be clearly marked &#8211; blog &#8211; but I think readers have the ability to know the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Hass</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-361059</link>
		<dc:creator>Hass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breaking blogs out of gargantuan websites to form closer relationships doesn&#039;t seem like a new idea. Papers have been doing it for years with their own content in the form of Sport Sections, A-books, Entertainment sections, etc. etc. Papers just seem to have lost their way when making the digital jump.

And to shamelessly self promote: &lt;a&gt;http://www.pharmalot.com&lt;/a&gt; A great blog from a newspaper, but free of the overhead that comes from the mothership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breaking blogs out of gargantuan websites to form closer relationships doesn&#8217;t seem like a new idea. Papers have been doing it for years with their own content in the form of Sport Sections, A-books, Entertainment sections, etc. etc. Papers just seem to have lost their way when making the digital jump.</p>
<p>And to shamelessly self promote: <a>http://www.pharmalot.com</a> A great blog from a newspaper, but free of the overhead that comes from the mothership.</p>
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		<title>By: Teaching Online Journalism &#187; How to do blogging right</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-361058</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching Online Journalism &#187; How to do blogging right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lail pointed us toward criticisms of blogs on newspaper Web sites by Edward B. Driscoll Jr. and Jeff Jarvis.    This entry was posted on Monday, October 1, 2007, at 8:28 am and is filed under ideas, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lail pointed us toward criticisms of blogs on newspaper Web sites by Edward B. Driscoll Jr. and Jeff Jarvis.    This entry was posted on Monday, October 1, 2007, at 8:28 am and is filed under ideas, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Journalism Daily - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts on Journalism - Powered by SocialRank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalism Daily - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts on Journalism - Powered by SocialRank</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The problem with newspaper blogs is . . . [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-361016</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Buzzmachine is now sponsored by TOTO washlets. That&#039;s right. All those fancy Japanese ass wiping machines are no suitable for American asses too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Buzzmachine is now sponsored by TOTO washlets. That&#8217;s right. All those fancy Japanese ass wiping machines are no suitable for American asses too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-361004</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff.

I&#039;m one of four Ohio bloggers writing at a new effort between Cleveland.com, The Plain Dealer and four bloggers.  It&#039;s called &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.cleveland.com/wideopen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wide Open,&lt;/a&gt;.  We&#039;ve got two left of center from NEOhio and two right of center Cincy area bloggers who contribute. We went live last Monday.

Is it going to work? Who does it actually work for? We&#039;re hoping all of us but no illusions. If people aren&#039;t already comfortable with cleveland.com or don&#039;t read the PD, or one of the four blogger&#039;s personal blogs, I&#039;m not sure how readership will increase or what purpose it serves other than to add value to cleveland.com and the PD - which I believe will be obvious far earlier than adding value to any of our individual blogs.  Not that that&#039;s necessarily a bad thing, but what does it really do as far as stretch new media? Maybe a little but probably not a lot. 

Best case scenario? It&#039;s part of a media literacy effort to get people from print into online sources.  Worst case scenario? It doesn&#039;t?

It&#039;s an experiment, that&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m one of four Ohio bloggers writing at a new effort between Cleveland.com, The Plain Dealer and four bloggers.  It&#8217;s called <a href="http://blog.cleveland.com/wideopen" rel="nofollow">Wide Open,</a>.  We&#8217;ve got two left of center from NEOhio and two right of center Cincy area bloggers who contribute. We went live last Monday.</p>
<p>Is it going to work? Who does it actually work for? We&#8217;re hoping all of us but no illusions. If people aren&#8217;t already comfortable with cleveland.com or don&#8217;t read the PD, or one of the four blogger&#8217;s personal blogs, I&#8217;m not sure how readership will increase or what purpose it serves other than to add value to cleveland.com and the PD &#8211; which I believe will be obvious far earlier than adding value to any of our individual blogs.  Not that that&#8217;s necessarily a bad thing, but what does it really do as far as stretch new media? Maybe a little but probably not a lot. </p>
<p>Best case scenario? It&#8217;s part of a media literacy effort to get people from print into online sources.  Worst case scenario? It doesn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an experiment, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-09-30 &#171; David Black</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-361001</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-09-30 &#171; David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The problem with newspaper blogs is . . . - BuzzMachine &#8220;. . . they are on newspaper sites.&#8221; (tags: internet newspapers newspapersites blogging journalism brand) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tech news blog Â» Linkpost &#124; 9.29.2007</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360985</link>
		<dc:creator>tech news blog Â» Linkpost &#124; 9.29.2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The problem with newspaper blogs is &#8212; . . . that they are on newspaper sites. Jeff Jarvis says they belong off by themselves, as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360980</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I approved that ad. 

We all have them, you know. And not all as nice.</description>
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<p>We all have them, you know. And not all as nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Houston Chronicle does an excellent job as both a newspaper and providing blogs on a variety of subjects. 

Dwight Silverman&#039;s blog, http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/, is a blog that I read everyday. Dwight writes on a wide variety of tech topics and has legions of fans on the net.

I happen to live in Dallas but the Dallas Morning News&#039; website is terrible. It takes forever to load the DMN website, so I have quit going there. Primarily, I get my news from chron.com and elsewhere on the net.

IMO, the Houston Chronicle is an example of a newspaper getting it right. One thing that I can always count on with TechBlog is that I am going to always read about the very latest technology development on the net.

Dwight posts anywhere from 2 to 6 posts every day, so it keeps the conversation lively and interesting, especially with his many readers chiming in with their comments. His posts are much more like sitting down and having a conversation with him over a cup of coffee.

Kudos to Dwight and the Houston Chronicle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Houston Chronicle does an excellent job as both a newspaper and providing blogs on a variety of subjects. </p>
<p>Dwight Silverman&#8217;s blog, <a href="http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/</a>, is a blog that I read everyday. Dwight writes on a wide variety of tech topics and has legions of fans on the net.</p>
<p>I happen to live in Dallas but the Dallas Morning News&#8217; website is terrible. It takes forever to load the DMN website, so I have quit going there. Primarily, I get my news from chron.com and elsewhere on the net.</p>
<p>IMO, the Houston Chronicle is an example of a newspaper getting it right. One thing that I can always count on with TechBlog is that I am going to always read about the very latest technology development on the net.</p>
<p>Dwight posts anywhere from 2 to 6 posts every day, so it keeps the conversation lively and interesting, especially with his many readers chiming in with their comments. His posts are much more like sitting down and having a conversation with him over a cup of coffee.</p>
<p>Kudos to Dwight and the Houston Chronicle.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360972</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On my browser, you have a toilet ad with a naked bum right beside your headshot.  With a newspaper, you have more editorial control than that.

...I&#039;m just sayin&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my browser, you have a toilet ad with a naked bum right beside your headshot.  With a newspaper, you have more editorial control than that.</p>
<p>&#8230;I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360950</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe newspapers should create a MySpace page for themselves.  Catch the wave of them youngsters now, while their habits are being formed. Hasn&#039;t Maureen Dowd been writing in that style for years anyway?  

Jeff, I addressed this very topic (blogs working with or against traditional media) on my own site, and included a screenshot of your site.  Hope you get the joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe newspapers should create a MySpace page for themselves.  Catch the wave of them youngsters now, while their habits are being formed. Hasn&#8217;t Maureen Dowd been writing in that style for years anyway?  </p>
<p>Jeff, I addressed this very topic (blogs working with or against traditional media) on my own site, and included a screenshot of your site.  Hope you get the joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Hey &#8212; you got your blogs in my newspaper! &#187; mathewingram.com/media</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360941</link>
		<dc:creator>Hey &#8212; you got your blogs in my newspaper! &#187; mathewingram.com/media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis makes the point that blogs may not even belong on newspaper sites in the first place. Jeff is a big believer in the idea of keeping blogs [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hey &#8212; you got your blogs in my newspaper! &#187; mathewingram.com/work</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360940</link>
		<dc:creator>Hey &#8212; you got your blogs in my newspaper! &#187; mathewingram.com/work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis makes the point that blogs may not even belong on newspaper sites in the first place. Jeff is a big believer in the idea of keeping blogs [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360939</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, at the end of the day, newspapers and blogs are very much the same, and the lines between them are only continuing to blur. It isn&#039;t about the format, but whether or not they&#039;re hosting a conversation or providing something timely to what people in their niche want to read, as it happens. I think newspapers are becoming more and more agile and in tune with doing this, and blogs are increasingly becoming more and more like newspapers and magazines. At the end of the day, all of it is media, and anybody can tweak and copy the formula. Newspapers get a global look and have access to services and resources bloggers can&#039;t really afford to have, so I will always, always be interested in the information they provide. 

I think it just comes down to their lack of a good formula, but a lot of industries are adjusting to this and I don&#039;t think bloggers should get too cocky or comfortable. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, at the end of the day, newspapers and blogs are very much the same, and the lines between them are only continuing to blur. It isn&#8217;t about the format, but whether or not they&#8217;re hosting a conversation or providing something timely to what people in their niche want to read, as it happens. I think newspapers are becoming more and more agile and in tune with doing this, and blogs are increasingly becoming more and more like newspapers and magazines. At the end of the day, all of it is media, and anybody can tweak and copy the formula. Newspapers get a global look and have access to services and resources bloggers can&#8217;t really afford to have, so I will always, always be interested in the information they provide. </p>
<p>I think it just comes down to their lack of a good formula, but a lot of industries are adjusting to this and I don&#8217;t think bloggers should get too cocky or comfortable. <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: New-York DailyVoices - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts from New-York - Powered by SocialRank</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360933</link>
		<dc:creator>New-York DailyVoices - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts from New-York - Powered by SocialRank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The problem with newspaper blogs is . . . [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dwight Silverman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360931</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Interesting points, but I think you and Sicha are presuming something that&#039;s not true. Yes, newspapers have blog indices, but that doesn&#039;t mean smart newspaper sites aren&#039;t doing the other things as well. 

Online newspapers have a dichotomy of readers. Some of them WANT the stratified navigation of a traditional newspaper applied to the online product. Any newspaper site that has done a redesign has heard from them, bigtime. They are more traditional and expect a newspaper to be, well, a newspaper, even online. And they are legion.

That group is very different from the digirati, who live by RSS feeds, aggregators, link-tracking, etc. 

At the Houston Chronicle, we do both. You want an index page for blogs? You got it. You want RSS feeds? They&#039;re there -- but we also offer an index page of RSS feeds! You want us to link out? We do that. 

There is a LOT of information at the average newspaper site. Pointing all the various constituencies to all of it is a daunting design task. We can definitely do better. But again, just because we do X doesn&#039;t also mean we can&#039;t do Y, too.</description>
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<p>Interesting points, but I think you and Sicha are presuming something that&#8217;s not true. Yes, newspapers have blog indices, but that doesn&#8217;t mean smart newspaper sites aren&#8217;t doing the other things as well. </p>
<p>Online newspapers have a dichotomy of readers. Some of them WANT the stratified navigation of a traditional newspaper applied to the online product. Any newspaper site that has done a redesign has heard from them, bigtime. They are more traditional and expect a newspaper to be, well, a newspaper, even online. And they are legion.</p>
<p>That group is very different from the digirati, who live by RSS feeds, aggregators, link-tracking, etc. </p>
<p>At the Houston Chronicle, we do both. You want an index page for blogs? You got it. You want RSS feeds? They&#8217;re there &#8212; but we also offer an index page of RSS feeds! You want us to link out? We do that. </p>
<p>There is a LOT of information at the average newspaper site. Pointing all the various constituencies to all of it is a daunting design task. We can definitely do better. But again, just because we do X doesn&#8217;t also mean we can&#8217;t do Y, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Scripting News for 9/28/07 &#171; Scripting News Annex</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360926</link>
		<dc:creator>Scripting News for 9/28/07 &#171; Scripting News Annex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis on newspaper blogs. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: blackrimglasses.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» The problem with newspaper blogs is . . .</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/09/28/the-problem-with-newspaper-blogs-is/#comment-360923</link>
		<dc:creator>blackrimglasses.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» The problem with newspaper blogs is . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newspapers have to decide WHAT they are, then define from that what they can be online.  [From BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» The problem with newspaper blogs is . . .]     You can skip to the end and leave a response. Pinging is currently not [...]</description>
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