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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Rosenberg&#8217;s Wordyard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pro Publica: can investigative journalism thrive with no bottom line?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Rosenberg&#8217;s Wordyard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pro Publica: can investigative journalism thrive with no bottom line?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] LINKS: I meant to post these thoughts when Pro Publica was announced. Back then, Jeff Jarvis was cautiously optimistic about Pro Publica&#8217;s prospects. Then I meant to post them when it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; Everything new is old again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; Everything new is old again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 05:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the results established media organizations. (Here&#8217;s a sample of the Wow! coverage. Try this Jeff Jarvis piece for a thoughtful [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Limor Peer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Limor Peer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, You ask how much of the news is really investigative. We recently finished a study of local TV news in Chicago and found that only about 9% of the stories on the late night news programs are initiated by the local stations, and only about 22% of those qualify as investigative stories. Most everything else is either coverage of events or feeds from elsewhere. See http://mediamanagementcenter.org/localTV/localTV.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, You ask how much of the news is really investigative. We recently finished a study of local TV news in Chicago and found that only about 9% of the stories on the late night news programs are initiated by the local stations, and only about 22% of those qualify as investigative stories. Most everything else is either coverage of events or feeds from elsewhere. See <a href="http://mediamanagementcenter.org/localTV/localTV.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://mediamanagementcenter.org/localTV/localTV.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Boog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Boog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a staff writer for an online investigative publication (Judicial Reports), I have to go back to what Jeff said in this post: "the editor stood in the way of the axes." 

Even though we aren't a traditional media organization, I pitch and edit my stories with my editor, not some boardroom backer. As long as these organizations choose strong, independent editors to work on the ground with reporters, I think it is a useful new model. 

There are plenty of ethical issues to sort out, but I think these smaller outfits will necessarily have to exist in an economy where most newspapers can't support a fully staffed investigative unit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a staff writer for an online investigative publication (Judicial Reports), I have to go back to what Jeff said in this post: &#8220;the editor stood in the way of the axes.&#8221; </p>
<p>Even though we aren&#8217;t a traditional media organization, I pitch and edit my stories with my editor, not some boardroom backer. As long as these organizations choose strong, independent editors to work on the ground with reporters, I think it is a useful new model. </p>
<p>There are plenty of ethical issues to sort out, but I think these smaller outfits will necessarily have to exist in an economy where most newspapers can&#8217;t support a fully staffed investigative unit.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Boriss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Boriss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, After thinking about it, I think this is an absolutely terrible idea, consistent with your first instincts.  See my post  "&lt;a href="http://thefutureofnews.com/2007/10/15/hillary-clinton%e2%80%99s-political-operation-is-accelerating-the-collapse-of-mainstream-media/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hillary Clintonâ€™s political operation is accelerating the collapse of mainstream media&lt;/a&gt;" at TheFutureOfNews.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, After thinking about it, I think this is an absolutely terrible idea, consistent with your first instincts.  See my post  &#8220;<a href="http://thefutureofnews.com/2007/10/15/hillary-clinton%e2%80%99s-political-operation-is-accelerating-the-collapse-of-mainstream-media/" rel="nofollow">Hillary Clintonâ€™s political operation is accelerating the collapse of mainstream media</a>&#8221; at TheFutureOfNews.com</p>
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		<title>By: Make Them Accountable / Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make Them Accountable / Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Paying for investigative journalism (by Jeff Jarvis) I think that if we analyze the staffing and production devoted to investigation in American journalism, weâ€™ll find that itâ€™s a pretty damned small proportion of news budgets. And I suspect weâ€™ll find that if it is not supported by large media organizations, it could be supported by foundations and public donation. That could come from independent organizations like Pro Publica and otherâ€¦ It also could come from independent journalists like Josh Marshall. There is one caution to this: These organizations can be backed by and run by people with axes to grind. And so we may find an imbalance in investigation. Thatâ€™s why the role of the editor, the journalist upholding public standards, remains important. You mean like the editors of the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post editorial pages, Jeff? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Paying for investigative journalism (by Jeff Jarvis) I think that if we analyze the staffing and production devoted to investigation in American journalism, weâ€™ll find that itâ€™s a pretty damned small proportion of news budgets. And I suspect weâ€™ll find that if it is not supported by large media organizations, it could be supported by foundations and public donation. That could come from independent organizations like Pro Publica and otherâ€¦ It also could come from independent journalists like Josh Marshall. There is one caution to this: These organizations can be backed by and run by people with axes to grind. And so we may find an imbalance in investigation. Thatâ€™s why the role of the editor, the journalist upholding public standards, remains important. You mean like the editors of the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post editorial pages, Jeff? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wendling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Wendling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any institution or organization can at times fail to live up to the standards that people expect, and this doesn't necessarily have to do with the ownership - look at the NY Times reporting of the Duke lacrosse team, for instance.  As a general rule, the more people looking at stories and doing investigative journalism, the better.  And as far as the silo goes ... I would be more worried about Pro Publica being a silo for *print* reporters and thus not maximizing the impact of its output by being across online, radio, TV.  I haven't seen much mention of multimedia in coverage but perhaps this is built into their plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any institution or organization can at times fail to live up to the standards that people expect, and this doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to do with the ownership - look at the NY Times reporting of the Duke lacrosse team, for instance.  As a general rule, the more people looking at stories and doing investigative journalism, the better.  And as far as the silo goes &#8230; I would be more worried about Pro Publica being a silo for *print* reporters and thus not maximizing the impact of its output by being across online, radio, TV.  I haven&#8217;t seen much mention of multimedia in coverage but perhaps this is built into their plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Pacheco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Pacheco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the concern about private / foundation-funded journalism and family-owned companies possibly having an axe to grind.

At the same time, I work for a family-owned newspaper company (The Bakersfield Californian) that has always been and continues to be dedicated to the truth and is always supportive of new ways of doing things. Our publisher Ginger Moorhouse even once authorized an investigative story that included her own brother, the former publisher (see http://ww2.bakersfield.com/2003/lords/)

I also know that some publicly owned companies have people at the top have axes to grind. And shareholders at publicly owned companies can also sometimes exert pressure.

I also know plenty of really bad family-owned newspapers where the families interfere in the news on a regular basis, usually motivated by appeasing certain advertisers.

My point is that you can't really make a blanket statement about how ALL privately-funded journalism is tainted or not, just as you can't say that about journalism from publicly owned companies. It depends on which family, who's in that family abd what their values are, which company, what are their financial interests, etc.

But I do agree with you that journalists shouldn't be waiting for some rich individual or trust to come save them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the concern about private / foundation-funded journalism and family-owned companies possibly having an axe to grind.</p>
<p>At the same time, I work for a family-owned newspaper company (The Bakersfield Californian) that has always been and continues to be dedicated to the truth and is always supportive of new ways of doing things. Our publisher Ginger Moorhouse even once authorized an investigative story that included her own brother, the former publisher (see <a href="http://ww2.bakersfield.com/2003/lords/" rel="nofollow">http://ww2.bakersfield.com/2003/lords/</a>)</p>
<p>I also know that some publicly owned companies have people at the top have axes to grind. And shareholders at publicly owned companies can also sometimes exert pressure.</p>
<p>I also know plenty of really bad family-owned newspapers where the families interfere in the news on a regular basis, usually motivated by appeasing certain advertisers.</p>
<p>My point is that you can&#8217;t really make a blanket statement about how ALL privately-funded journalism is tainted or not, just as you can&#8217;t say that about journalism from publicly owned companies. It depends on which family, who&#8217;s in that family abd what their values are, which company, what are their financial interests, etc.</p>
<p>But I do agree with you that journalists shouldn&#8217;t be waiting for some rich individual or trust to come save them.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Monck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Monck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at cutting edge investigative journalism it needs an investment in time and training that many news organizations aren't resourced to provide. Plus they frequently fall down. Plus they often need long-term support to generate and sustain public interest. Plus they need strength of purpose on the part of the journalists themselves. 

At City University, we've just started an MA in Investigative Journalism to equip grads with some of those skills, and to create a community of journalists interested in championing this kind of journalism through their careers.  

What I'd prefer is a grant-based system where existing journalists could get additional support for investigative projects, but the reality is that investigations also need to build communities/audiences around the issues they're uncovering. Those communities/audiences used to come ready-built in the form of newspapers and magazines.

Now traditional media is unbundling are we going to find that investigative journalism was just something journalists admired as the supreme example of their professional virtue, but that the public really weren't prepared to pay for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at cutting edge investigative journalism it needs an investment in time and training that many news organizations aren&#8217;t resourced to provide. Plus they frequently fall down. Plus they often need long-term support to generate and sustain public interest. Plus they need strength of purpose on the part of the journalists themselves. </p>
<p>At City University, we&#8217;ve just started an MA in Investigative Journalism to equip grads with some of those skills, and to create a community of journalists interested in championing this kind of journalism through their careers.  </p>
<p>What I&#8217;d prefer is a grant-based system where existing journalists could get additional support for investigative projects, but the reality is that investigations also need to build communities/audiences around the issues they&#8217;re uncovering. Those communities/audiences used to come ready-built in the form of newspapers and magazines.</p>
<p>Now traditional media is unbundling are we going to find that investigative journalism was just something journalists admired as the supreme example of their professional virtue, but that the public really weren&#8217;t prepared to pay for?</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Investigative journalism detached from the need to please advertisers has a lot of appeal.  When Katie Couric recounted having a critical email passed on to her, it confirmed what a lot of people have seen happening increasingly in media coverage.  The bottom line is too much a part of reporting presently, and noncorporate funding very much an improvement over selling the goods advertised in the paper.   (Like real estate.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investigative journalism detached from the need to please advertisers has a lot of appeal.  When Katie Couric recounted having a critical email passed on to her, it confirmed what a lot of people have seen happening increasingly in media coverage.  The bottom line is too much a part of reporting presently, and noncorporate funding very much an improvement over selling the goods advertised in the paper.   (Like real estate.)</p>
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		<title>By: Veteran journo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veteran journo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I partially agree with Cooler Heads. Having separate so-called investigative journalists makes no sense. A colleague of mine used to describe the investigative unit as "people who do one story a year."

Most of the time those who are best equipped to do investigative reporting are beat reporters with good sources who really know their subject matter.

Also, there's a disconnect between what journalists and readers see as investigative. For journalists investigative tends to mean a page one gotcha piece whereas for readers it means new relevant information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I partially agree with Cooler Heads. Having separate so-called investigative journalists makes no sense. A colleague of mine used to describe the investigative unit as &#8220;people who do one story a year.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most of the time those who are best equipped to do investigative reporting are beat reporters with good sources who really know their subject matter.</p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s a disconnect between what journalists and readers see as investigative. For journalists investigative tends to mean a page one gotcha piece whereas for readers it means new relevant information.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Mastio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Mastio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be really, really nice if the funding of this didn't play right into one of the media's credibility problems. Even Steiger will have a hard time getting past the fact that his main source of funding is also a big source of funding for the Democratic Party. 

At the very least, it allows the people or organizations he investigates to blow a lot of smoke about hidden agendas. It doesn't really matter whether they exist or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be really, really nice if the funding of this didn&#8217;t play right into one of the media&#8217;s credibility problems. Even Steiger will have a hard time getting past the fact that his main source of funding is also a big source of funding for the Democratic Party. </p>
<p>At the very least, it allows the people or organizations he investigates to blow a lot of smoke about hidden agendas. It doesn&#8217;t really matter whether they exist or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; Itâ€™s certainly an interesting proposition, but isnâ€™t much of professional journalism supposed to be about authenticity, professionalism and reliability?

And why would explicitly paid journalism be any different?

&#62; How would outsourcing investigative journalism pollute what is supposed to be a pristine and reliable news source?

We'd know who was pissing in the barrels of toxic waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Itâ€™s certainly an interesting proposition, but isnâ€™t much of professional journalism supposed to be about authenticity, professionalism and reliability?</p>
<p>And why would explicitly paid journalism be any different?</p>
<p>&gt; How would outsourcing investigative journalism pollute what is supposed to be a pristine and reliable news source?</p>
<p>We&#8217;d know who was pissing in the barrels of toxic waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler Heads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooler Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why does investigative journalism belong in its own silo? Like, no one else can do investigative journalism except "investigative" journalists? If so, what are all the other journalists doing--transcribing, taking dictation?

The "silo" organization of news organizations is what got them in trouble of the first place. Instead of having all reporters become multi-skilled, able to take on all the different tasks of doing the work--from covering a press conference, to writing analysis, to investigaing--news organizations pidgeon-holed reporters by content area (read: beat) and by function (read: investigation, or something else). It's an organizational structure that used to guide the assembly line in auto factories, and one that's not holding up well in the information age.

I think Steiger is clinging to some sad nostalgia for the good-old-days....days that never really were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why does investigative journalism belong in its own silo? Like, no one else can do investigative journalism except &#8220;investigative&#8221; journalists? If so, what are all the other journalists doing&#8211;transcribing, taking dictation?</p>
<p>The &#8220;silo&#8221; organization of news organizations is what got them in trouble of the first place. Instead of having all reporters become multi-skilled, able to take on all the different tasks of doing the work&#8211;from covering a press conference, to writing analysis, to investigaing&#8211;news organizations pidgeon-holed reporters by content area (read: beat) and by function (read: investigation, or something else). It&#8217;s an organizational structure that used to guide the assembly line in auto factories, and one that&#8217;s not holding up well in the information age.</p>
<p>I think Steiger is clinging to some sad nostalgia for the good-old-days&#8230;.days that never really were.</p>
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		<title>By: jon burg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon burg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's certainly an interesting proposition, but isn't much of professional journalism supposed to be about authenticity, professionalism and reliability?  How would outsourcing investigative journalism pollute what is supposed to be a pristine and reliable news source?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly an interesting proposition, but isn&#8217;t much of professional journalism supposed to be about authenticity, professionalism and reliability?  How would outsourcing investigative journalism pollute what is supposed to be a pristine and reliable news source?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Boriss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Boriss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, This to me is an example of what I call "&lt;a href="http://thefutureofnews.com/2007/10/11/plug-n-play-not-networked-journalism-will-be-the-future-of-news/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Plug 'n Play&lt;/a&gt;" journalism.  It's completely self-supporting and it's an entity that ultimately is going to want to place its stories everywhere it can, not just at mainstream outlets.  It's a structure that undermines traditional vertically-integrated news organizations in which reporters and editors work for the same organization.  There are going to be a lot of them, and many are going to be highly partisan.  But the good news is that news will be transformed into a multitude of voices competing in a freewheeling marketplace of ideas, just like Thomas Jefferson envisioned. (Steve Boriss, www.thefutureofnews.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, This to me is an example of what I call &#8220;<a href="http://thefutureofnews.com/2007/10/11/plug-n-play-not-networked-journalism-will-be-the-future-of-news/" rel="nofollow">Plug &#8216;n Play</a>&#8221; journalism.  It&#8217;s completely self-supporting and it&#8217;s an entity that ultimately is going to want to place its stories everywhere it can, not just at mainstream outlets.  It&#8217;s a structure that undermines traditional vertically-integrated news organizations in which reporters and editors work for the same organization.  There are going to be a lot of them, and many are going to be highly partisan.  But the good news is that news will be transformed into a multitude of voices competing in a freewheeling marketplace of ideas, just like Thomas Jefferson envisioned. (Steve Boriss, <a href="http://www.thefutureofnews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefutureofnews.com</a>)</p>
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