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		<title>By: jill/txt &#187;</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-363104</link>
		<dc:creator>jill/txt &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] quote from Jeff Jarvis, via Kristine Lowe: They think this is &#8216;new media.&#8217; And they think that’s something [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-363009</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jill for the clarification.  If Jeff Coryell was intending to disclose while opining, then I agree, that should be perfectly OK - and the hidebound newspaper mgmt are the ones who are out of line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jill for the clarification.  If Jeff Coryell was intending to disclose while opining, then I agree, that should be perfectly OK &#8211; and the hidebound newspaper mgmt are the ones who are out of line.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362968</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just answering questions, since I&#039;m &quot;the other blogger&quot; who left.

1. From Anna Haynes: &quot;had Jeff disclosed on the blog that heâ€™d contributed to the candidate?
Or was he writing about the candidate without having disclosed his contribution? - which is what it sounds like, from the E&amp;P story -
â€œone of the two liberal bloggers was asked this week to withhold his comments on a specific congressional race after it was revealed he had contributed to one of the candidates â€

Anna - Jeff never wrote about the candidate on the blog Wide Open.  Period.

2. Mahesh wrote, &quot;While being opinionated and taking a standpoint may be expected amongst the tiny proportion of people that make up the blogosphere, im rest of us that make up the majority expect news to be unbiased and that they can rely on the word of the writers.&quot;

Mahesh - Jean Dubail sought out we four bloggers specifically because we were partisans and known partisans at that.  Whether the PD/Cleveland.com did enough to make that clear to the readers or people who considered visiting the blog, I can&#039;t say, but what was done was that Jean Dubail had an opening post that explained all that, and the teaser to the Wide Open blog that was placed on the PD&#039;s main political blog, OPEN, included a sentence that, I think, intimated the partisan nature - but it&#039;s gone now and I don&#039;t recall precisely.

However, there was NEVER any confusion, AT ALL, that we were going to be writing from certain perspectives much of the time.  That was an explicit understanding between us and the person from the PD with whom we dealt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just answering questions, since I&#8217;m &#8220;the other blogger&#8221; who left.</p>
<p>1. From Anna Haynes: &#8220;had Jeff disclosed on the blog that heâ€™d contributed to the candidate?<br />
Or was he writing about the candidate without having disclosed his contribution? &#8211; which is what it sounds like, from the E&amp;P story -<br />
â€œone of the two liberal bloggers was asked this week to withhold his comments on a specific congressional race after it was revealed he had contributed to one of the candidates â€</p>
<p>Anna &#8211; Jeff never wrote about the candidate on the blog Wide Open.  Period.</p>
<p>2. Mahesh wrote, &#8220;While being opinionated and taking a standpoint may be expected amongst the tiny proportion of people that make up the blogosphere, im rest of us that make up the majority expect news to be unbiased and that they can rely on the word of the writers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mahesh &#8211; Jean Dubail sought out we four bloggers specifically because we were partisans and known partisans at that.  Whether the PD/Cleveland.com did enough to make that clear to the readers or people who considered visiting the blog, I can&#8217;t say, but what was done was that Jean Dubail had an opening post that explained all that, and the teaser to the Wide Open blog that was placed on the PD&#8217;s main political blog, OPEN, included a sentence that, I think, intimated the partisan nature &#8211; but it&#8217;s gone now and I don&#8217;t recall precisely.</p>
<p>However, there was NEVER any confusion, AT ALL, that we were going to be writing from certain perspectives much of the time.  That was an explicit understanding between us and the person from the PD with whom we dealt.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362888</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; The difference was these bloggers were writing for a masthead that has a reputation and responsibility to be fair and unbiased.

Want to bet that said reputation doesn&#039;t extend outside the set of folks with a vested interest?

As to the &quot;responsibility&quot;, talk is cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The difference was these bloggers were writing for a masthead that has a reputation and responsibility to be fair and unbiased.</p>
<p>Want to bet that said reputation doesn&#8217;t extend outside the set of folks with a vested interest?</p>
<p>As to the &#8220;responsibility&#8221;, talk is cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahesh Sharma</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362871</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahesh Sharma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.. some pretty classic &#039;holier than thou&#039; new media views there. The difference was these bloggers were writing for a masthead that has a reputation and responsibility to be fair and unbiased.

While being opinionated and taking a standpoint may be expected amongst the tiny proportion of people that make up the blogosphere, im rest of us that make up the majority expect news to be unbiased and that they can rely on the word of the writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.. some pretty classic &#8216;holier than thou&#8217; new media views there. The difference was these bloggers were writing for a masthead that has a reputation and responsibility to be fair and unbiased.</p>
<p>While being opinionated and taking a standpoint may be expected amongst the tiny proportion of people that make up the blogosphere, im rest of us that make up the majority expect news to be unbiased and that they can rely on the word of the writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Snell</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362853</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Snell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They made the usual, common mistake. They went through the motion of this &quot;new media stuff&quot; trying to ignore the fact that it&#039;s a mindset, not a motion. It&#039;s the adopting and understanding of an entirely different culture. A new set of views etc.

Would that company fly to France and try to run the paper the same way there? Of course not. And if they did, it probably wouldn&#039;t work and they&#039;d claim the french are &quot;snobby&quot; (kind of the equivalent of being flamed online).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They made the usual, common mistake. They went through the motion of this &#8220;new media stuff&#8221; trying to ignore the fact that it&#8217;s a mindset, not a motion. It&#8217;s the adopting and understanding of an entirely different culture. A new set of views etc.</p>
<p>Would that company fly to France and try to run the paper the same way there? Of course not. And if they did, it probably wouldn&#8217;t work and they&#8217;d claim the french are &#8220;snobby&#8221; (kind of the equivalent of being flamed online).</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362843</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hog your comments, Jeff J., but a related question - when do we readers start to get &lt;a href=&quot;http://rhetorica.net/archives/003904.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;syndicated columnists&#039; disclosures&lt;/a&gt;?  
(I tried, once, but for some reason she stonewalled)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hog your comments, Jeff J., but a related question &#8211; when do we readers start to get <a href="http://rhetorica.net/archives/003904.html" rel="nofollow">syndicated columnists&#8217; disclosures</a>?<br />
(I tried, once, but for some reason she stonewalled)</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362841</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(...and would lead me to view the author&#039;s future writings with a jaundiced eye)</description>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362840</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, maybe I overlooked where this was spelled out but I&#039;m still not clear on this- had Jeff disclosed on the blog that he&#039;d contributed to the candidate?  
Or was he writing about the candidate without  having disclosed his contribution?  - which is what it sounds like, from the E&amp;P story -
&quot;one of the two liberal bloggers was asked this week to withhold his comments on a specific congressional race after it was revealed he had contributed to one of the candidates &quot;

IMO, to write without disclosing &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; poor judgment, and is not appropriate for a newspaper-sponsored blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, maybe I overlooked where this was spelled out but I&#8217;m still not clear on this- had Jeff disclosed on the blog that he&#8217;d contributed to the candidate?<br />
Or was he writing about the candidate without  having disclosed his contribution?  &#8211; which is what it sounds like, from the E&amp;P story -<br />
&#8220;one of the two liberal bloggers was asked this week to withhold his comments on a specific congressional race after it was revealed he had contributed to one of the candidates &#8221;</p>
<p>IMO, to write without disclosing <i>is</i> poor judgment, and is not appropriate for a newspaper-sponsored blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362824</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a rube - doesn&#039;t he know that professionals do &quot;in kind&quot; contributions, not cash?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a rube &#8211; doesn&#8217;t he know that professionals do &#8220;in kind&#8221; contributions, not cash?</p>
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		<title>By: rexblog.com: Rex Hammock&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-11-06</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362799</link>
		<dc:creator>rexblog.com: Rex Hammock&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-11-06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Off with their headlines &#124; Buzzmachine.com Quote - Perhaps what the paper should be doing is not trying to impose its definition of â€œjournalistâ€ on any who receive its dollar but instead rethink that definition themselves. (tags: ethics) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: "Circulation falls at many major newspapers." -- Hoover&#8217;s Business Insight Zone</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362788</link>
		<dc:creator>"Circulation falls at many major newspapers." -- Hoover&#8217;s Business Insight Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Meantime, Jeff Jarvis continues to chronicle episodes of boat-missing or failure-to-comprehend by decision makers in the newspaper business. Off with their headlines [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Meantime, Jeff Jarvis continues to chronicle episodes of boat-missing or failure-to-comprehend by decision makers in the newspaper business. Off with their headlines [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Ettorre</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362782</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ettorre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All extremely well said, and true enough. Disclosure is generally most of the answer. Here&#039;s a good example of a good blogger&#039;s disclosure statement, which he calls disclaimers (scroll near the bottom):
http://www.mistersugar.com/about</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All extremely well said, and true enough. Disclosure is generally most of the answer. Here&#8217;s a good example of a good blogger&#8217;s disclosure statement, which he calls disclaimers (scroll near the bottom):<br />
<a href="http://www.mistersugar.com/about" rel="nofollow">http://www.mistersugar.com/about</a></p>
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		<title>By: Badger Gravling</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362778</link>
		<dc:creator>Badger Gravling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simple answer is one that has been around since the first blogs. 

Disclosure.

A line of text stating the link between a blogger and something they blog about is all that&#039;s needed for clarity, honesty and transparency. 

I do think someone employed in a professional capacity in a capacity as a journalist should strive towards the impossibility of political neutrality in their reporting of news and events.

But I also believe that columns and blogs are the perfect place for any informed individual, as long as they are transparent about their involvements.

Personally I still believe there is a big difference between journalism and self-published work, mainly due to the time, training and resources more commonly available to the average journalist which is not available to the average blogger, leading to far more variety in authority, trust and writing quality in self-publishing.

Both have value, both will attract audiences and revenue. The only question is how best to manage to evolution of both, without dismissing the value of either and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simple answer is one that has been around since the first blogs. </p>
<p>Disclosure.</p>
<p>A line of text stating the link between a blogger and something they blog about is all that&#8217;s needed for clarity, honesty and transparency. </p>
<p>I do think someone employed in a professional capacity in a capacity as a journalist should strive towards the impossibility of political neutrality in their reporting of news and events.</p>
<p>But I also believe that columns and blogs are the perfect place for any informed individual, as long as they are transparent about their involvements.</p>
<p>Personally I still believe there is a big difference between journalism and self-published work, mainly due to the time, training and resources more commonly available to the average journalist which is not available to the average blogger, leading to far more variety in authority, trust and writing quality in self-publishing.</p>
<p>Both have value, both will attract audiences and revenue. The only question is how best to manage to evolution of both, without dismissing the value of either and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ettorre</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362772</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ettorre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good enough. Anyway, I suppose my real argument is with the two Jeffs, and others who have used the word &quot;fired.&quot; I&#039;m not at all sure you have. At least I couldn&#039;t find it in a quick scan just now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good enough. Anyway, I suppose my real argument is with the two Jeffs, and others who have used the word &#8220;fired.&#8221; I&#8217;m not at all sure you have. At least I couldn&#8217;t find it in a quick scan just now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362770</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote what I meant, John - all those words and meanings work for me.  I&#039;m satisfied with Jeff knowing which word he wants to use to describe his experience.  I&#039;m also satisfied with my choice of words to describe my experience. There&#039;s no loose use whatsoever.  We experienced and we&#039;ve used words that describe that experience.  When you go through what we went through, you can use the words you like best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote what I meant, John &#8211; all those words and meanings work for me.  I&#8217;m satisfied with Jeff knowing which word he wants to use to describe his experience.  I&#8217;m also satisfied with my choice of words to describe my experience. There&#8217;s no loose use whatsoever.  We experienced and we&#8217;ve used words that describe that experience.  When you go through what we went through, you can use the words you like best.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ettorre</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362769</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ettorre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill, I&#039;m not getting your meaning. Are you saying there&#039;s no difference between the two words? Firing meant it was at the behest of the paper, resigning meant it was at the behest of the writer. Those are not the same things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, I&#8217;m not getting your meaning. Are you saying there&#8217;s no difference between the two words? Firing meant it was at the behest of the paper, resigning meant it was at the behest of the writer. Those are not the same things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362768</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Merriam Webster, fire:

2 a: to drive out or away by or as if by fire b: to dismiss from a position

From Merriam Webster, resign:

2: to give up deliberately; especially : to renounce (as a right or position) by a formal actintransitive verb1: to give up one&#039;s office or position : quit2: to accept something as inevitable : submit

They all work for me, John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Merriam Webster, fire:</p>
<p>2 a: to drive out or away by or as if by fire b: to dismiss from a position</p>
<p>From Merriam Webster, resign:</p>
<p>2: to give up deliberately; especially : to renounce (as a right or position) by a formal actintransitive verb1: to give up one&#8217;s office or position : quit2: to accept something as inevitable : submit</p>
<p>They all work for me, John.</p>
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		<title>By: chico haas</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362767</link>
		<dc:creator>chico haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll see your Catholic metaphor and raise you a tennis one: a nsp blog can just as well fulfill your goal of community conversation by being an impartial tennis ball, tossed into the air and swatted back and forth by opposing sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll see your Catholic metaphor and raise you a tennis one: a nsp blog can just as well fulfill your goal of community conversation by being an impartial tennis ball, tossed into the air and swatted back and forth by opposing sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362766</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Jeff.  Maybe this is another facet of the same issue that arose when the John Edwards campaign parted ways with the (secretely opinionated!) bloggers it had hired, because these bloggers (in their oh-so-super-secret online pasts) had used dirty words and expressed strong, even nasty-strong, opinions on certain political issues.

Episodes like these reveal the gulf between normalcy in the blogosphere and normalcy in the heads of traditional media executives.  Many of the execs just can&#039;t seem to get their heads around the fact that the blogosphere doesn&#039;t operate like a traditional 20th-century U.S. newsroom, while most of the blogosphere can&#039;t even understand what&#039;s so hard for the execs to understand.

Of course, it&#039;s the blogosphere that&#039;s growing and the traditional 20th-century U.S. newsroom that&#039;s shrinking.  My money&#039;s on the blogosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Jeff.  Maybe this is another facet of the same issue that arose when the John Edwards campaign parted ways with the (secretely opinionated!) bloggers it had hired, because these bloggers (in their oh-so-super-secret online pasts) had used dirty words and expressed strong, even nasty-strong, opinions on certain political issues.</p>
<p>Episodes like these reveal the gulf between normalcy in the blogosphere and normalcy in the heads of traditional media executives.  Many of the execs just can&#8217;t seem to get their heads around the fact that the blogosphere doesn&#8217;t operate like a traditional 20th-century U.S. newsroom, while most of the blogosphere can&#8217;t even understand what&#8217;s so hard for the execs to understand.</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s the blogosphere that&#8217;s growing and the traditional 20th-century U.S. newsroom that&#8217;s shrinking.  My money&#8217;s on the blogosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ettorre</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/05/off-with-their-headlines/#comment-362763</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ettorre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty unfortunate that even some professional journalists have lazily repeated the line that Jeff got &quot;fired&quot; (E&amp;P, to its credit, did not use that word, instead calling it a resignation, which is what it was). While it&#039;s perhaps understandable that Mr. Coryell interprets it that way, I&#039;ve heard or read no factual proof to support that. He was presented with a condition that he didn&#039;t accept--that he not write about a particular officeholder--which you or I or anyone might argue is an unacceptable condition for a writer. And for perfectly good reasons he chose not to accept that condition, and thus declined to continue to write for that outlet. I&#039;m afraid that falls a bit short of being fired. Jeff C., as a former prosecutor, and Jill as a trained lawyer, I would expect you both to pay exquisite attention to obvious details such as this, and to stop using words so loosely. In fact, because you generally have paid such close attention to facts, I have thus paid far closer attention to your writing than to the run of the mill bloggers. Please don&#039;t change now, however rightfully aggrieved you might both feel by the recent turn of events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty unfortunate that even some professional journalists have lazily repeated the line that Jeff got &#8220;fired&#8221; (E&amp;P, to its credit, did not use that word, instead calling it a resignation, which is what it was). While it&#8217;s perhaps understandable that Mr. Coryell interprets it that way, I&#8217;ve heard or read no factual proof to support that. He was presented with a condition that he didn&#8217;t accept&#8211;that he not write about a particular officeholder&#8211;which you or I or anyone might argue is an unacceptable condition for a writer. And for perfectly good reasons he chose not to accept that condition, and thus declined to continue to write for that outlet. I&#8217;m afraid that falls a bit short of being fired. Jeff C., as a former prosecutor, and Jill as a trained lawyer, I would expect you both to pay exquisite attention to obvious details such as this, and to stop using words so loosely. In fact, because you generally have paid such close attention to facts, I have thus paid far closer attention to your writing than to the run of the mill bloggers. Please don&#8217;t change now, however rightfully aggrieved you might both feel by the recent turn of events.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Coryell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Coryell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the one who got fired, I want to thank you for your thoughtful contribution to the conversation, Jeff. I agree with Jill, you are among the few from deep inside the citadel who grasp what&#039;s going in the big, rapidly rising structure outside the walls. The editor who conceived of Wide Open, Jean Dubail, is another, and I wish that he had had total autonomy over the project, we might well have worked it all out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the one who got fired, I want to thank you for your thoughtful contribution to the conversation, Jeff. I agree with Jill, you are among the few from deep inside the citadel who grasp what&#8217;s going in the big, rapidly rising structure outside the walls. The editor who conceived of Wide Open, Jean Dubail, is another, and I wish that he had had total autonomy over the project, we might well have worked it all out.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg0658</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg0658</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another example of &quot;money is the root of all evil&quot;
or the battle to stockpile it for ones self preservance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of &#8220;money is the root of all evil&#8221;<br />
or the battle to stockpile it for ones self preservance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for writing about what happened, Jeff. As &quot;the other liberal&quot; who quit, I can tell you it&#039;s been an excrutiating experience.  What you write is an example of what it sounds like when people from more traditional journalism backgrounds &quot;get it.&quot;  The way Susan Goldberg talks about it is an example of the polar opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing about what happened, Jeff. As &#8220;the other liberal&#8221; who quit, I can tell you it&#8217;s been an excrutiating experience.  What you write is an example of what it sounds like when people from more traditional journalism backgrounds &#8220;get it.&#8221;  The way Susan Goldberg talks about it is an example of the polar opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis of BuzzMachine weighs in on Wide Open&#8217;s closure &#124; Writes Like She Talks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis of BuzzMachine weighs in on Wide Open&#8217;s closure &#124; Writes Like She Talks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can read it here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You can read it here. [...]</p>
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