Comments on: The networks miss the boat http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/ by Jeff Jarvis Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:13:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Internet Marketing Blog http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363498 Internet Marketing Blog Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:46:17 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363498 <strong>No TV? No Prob - I Live In An On-Demand World...</strong> What if the writer's struck and nobody noticed? Or cared? What if they took matters into their own hands excised the studios from Hollywood's economic equation?... No TV? No Prob - I Live In An On-Demand World…

What if the writer’s struck and nobody noticed? Or cared? What if they took matters into their own hands excised the studios from Hollywood’s economic equation?…

]]> By: On YouTube, strikes and opportunism · Dave Burdick http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363437 On YouTube, strikes and opportunism · Dave Burdick Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:01:23 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363437 [...] are a lot more ins and outs on the writers’ strike than I think Jeff Jarvis realizes. He’s posted saying that networks should be using YouTube talent to fill the voids made by [...] [...] are a lot more ins and outs on the writers’ strike than I think Jeff Jarvis realizes. He’s posted saying that networks should be using YouTube talent to fill the voids made by [...]

]]> By: fasd http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363218 fasd Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:07:21 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363218 the big networks abc. cbs. nbc. fox are afraid of youtube people. if some of the really good people on youtube get on tv they are just screwed. the networks will screw the youtube people in being creative and with the money. run away now youtube video people. run away fast. the big networks abc. cbs. nbc. fox are afraid of youtube people.

if some of the really good people on youtube get on tv they are just screwed.

the networks will screw the youtube people in being creative and with the money.

run away now youtube video people. run away fast.

]]> By: Greg0658 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363192 Greg0658 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:59:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363192 dislike term scab workers - prefer non union workers network production was affected by upscaling to HighDef union actors replaced by BuzzLightYear and Survivors just ask Kodak the silicon chip is disrupting everthing yet I love it too ... sure changed things around here to fast tho 24 years a union Sheet Metal Worker and 22 years a non-union artist overlaped EVERYONE needs one good job ps - anybody need a chemistry darkroom? dislike term scab workers - prefer non union workers

network production was affected by upscaling to HighDef
union actors replaced by BuzzLightYear and Survivors

just ask Kodak
the silicon chip is disrupting everthing
yet I love it too … sure changed things around here
to fast tho

24 years a union Sheet Metal Worker and 22 years a non-union artist
overlaped
EVERYONE needs one good job

ps - anybody need a chemistry darkroom?

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363168 Seth Finkelstein Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:54:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363168 Jeff, any way you slice it, it's strike-breaking. Network production is affected by the writer's strike - that's the point of the strike. Turning to YouTube or similar would be a way of using the "public" (really, ambitious talent) as a replacement production system, which is union-busting. The purpose would be to replace the shows shut-down by strike Sure, it's an "opportunit[y]" - that's why there's social pressure against people taking such "opportunities"! Jeff, any way you slice it, it’s strike-breaking. Network production is affected by the writer’s strike - that’s the point of the strike. Turning to YouTube or similar would be a way of using the “public” (really, ambitious talent) as a replacement production system, which is union-busting. The purpose would be to replace the shows shut-down by strike Sure, it’s an “opportunit[y]” - that’s why there’s social pressure against people taking such “opportunities”!

]]> By: Matt http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363161 Matt Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:16:44 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363161 Have to disagree with you on this one. If videos on the web were good enough to be on TV, they probably already would be. There are plenty of talent agencies and others from mainstream media already actively trolling the web for fresh talent. My biggest problem with what you're saying is the ease of transition with which you feel these shows can be moved to TV. I'm personally producing 4 web series right now, but have a background in Film/TV. In my mind we're dealing with a new way to tell stories online, and if the show can transition so easily to TV, as you suggest, then the show does not really belong online in the first place. This medium will not move forward or have a true breakout success until people stop treating it like the minor leagues of mainstream media and start writing/creating for this medium---which in my mind means either too interactive or too controversial for TV. Maybe you should have invested in www.neovids.tv instead. Have to disagree with you on this one. If videos on the web were good enough to be on TV, they probably already would be. There are plenty of talent agencies and others from mainstream media already actively trolling the web for fresh talent.

My biggest problem with what you’re saying is the ease of transition with which you feel these shows can be moved to TV. I’m personally producing 4 web series right now, but have a background in Film/TV. In my mind we’re dealing with a new way to tell stories online, and if the show can transition so easily to TV, as you suggest, then the show does not really belong online in the first place.

This medium will not move forward or have a true breakout success until people stop treating it like the minor leagues of mainstream media and start writing/creating for this medium—which in my mind means either too interactive or too controversial for TV.

Maybe you should have invested in http://www.neovids.tv instead.

]]> By: chico haas http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363155 chico haas Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:25:19 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363155 How specifically ironic to this strike for TV to be the place to see YouTube content. How specifically ironic to this strike for TV to be the place to see YouTube content.

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363151 Jeff Jarvis Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:57:25 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363151 Seth, Not necessarily. New opportunities arise where there are voids. This is how other shows have started that didn't use writers. What if a network started a new news show in a time slot rather than having reruns? What if they had a YouTube talent show (which is what I'm talking about)? Just because something fills the timeslot, that doesn't mean it's scab. Seth,
Not necessarily. New opportunities arise where there are voids. This is how other shows have started that didn’t use writers. What if a network started a new news show in a time slot rather than having reruns? What if they had a YouTube talent show (which is what I’m talking about)? Just because something fills the timeslot, that doesn’t mean it’s scab.

]]> By: Lee Stranahan http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363145 Lee Stranahan Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:31:31 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363145 People are trying to give themselves away on Craigslist, too... Rather than the networks realizing that they don't need the writers, I'd say a more likely scenario is the writers realizing they don't need Big Media. I've written a couple of pieces about it on my blog. People are trying to give themselves away on Craigslist, too…

Rather than the networks realizing that they don’t need the writers, I’d say a more likely scenario is the writers realizing they don’t need Big Media. I’ve written a couple of pieces about it on my blog.

]]> By: The Writers Strike Blog » Jarvis: ‘The Networks Miss The Boat’ http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363144 The Writers Strike Blog » Jarvis: ‘The Networks Miss The Boat’ Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:16:03 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363144 [...] Jarvis argues that the networks should use programming produced for the web as a way to fill those increasingly empty network schedules during the writers [...] [...] Jarvis argues that the networks should use programming produced for the web as a way to fill those increasingly empty network schedules during the writers [...]

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363143 Seth Finkelstein Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:14:46 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363143 Jeff, that's called "scab labor". Are you really suggesting it'd be great for the networks to use the "creativity of the public" as a union-busting tool? Please think through the implications there. If nothing else, it'd put aspiring video creators on the wrong side of every non-management social network in the whole industry. Jeff, that’s called “scab labor”.

Are you really suggesting it’d be great for the networks to use the “creativity of the public” as a union-busting tool? Please think through the implications there. If nothing else, it’d put aspiring video creators on the wrong side of every non-management social network in the whole industry.

]]> By: Rick Ellis http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363142 Rick Ellis Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:11:38 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/12/the-networks-miss-the-boat/#comment-363142 Well, the broadcast networks have tried a couple of time to do "clip" shows of YouTube stuff (albeit it really badly). But I guess what my first reaction is to this is that arguing the networks can break a strike by using web talent seems to a misguided arguement. Having seen some of the clips WGA writers are putting together during the strike, it's clear that at least some of them understand how to entertain online as much as anyone else. And I certainly agree that there are a lot of people working online who deserve some distribution through "traditional" channels. I'm just not convinced that arguing "hey, these people write without a union" is the best arguement right now. It's not a matter of networks only thinking they can make TV their way. It's a matter of respecting someone's union. I know that's an almost quaint arguement nowdays. But I think it's the right one in this situation. Well, the broadcast networks have tried a couple of time to do “clip” shows of YouTube stuff (albeit it really badly).

But I guess what my first reaction is to this is that arguing the networks can break a strike by using web talent seems to a misguided arguement.

Having seen some of the clips WGA writers are putting together during the strike, it’s clear that at least some of them understand how to entertain online as much as anyone else.

And I certainly agree that there are a lot of people working online who deserve some distribution through “traditional” channels.

I’m just not convinced that arguing “hey, these people write without a union” is the best arguement right now.

It’s not a matter of networks only thinking they can make TV their way. It’s a matter of respecting someone’s union. I know that’s an almost quaint arguement nowdays. But I think it’s the right one in this situation.

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