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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Tahoe Journalism &#187; Further reflection</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-364100</link>
		<dc:creator>Tahoe Journalism &#187; Further reflection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thinking some more about my previous post on Jeff Jarvis&#8217;s comments on Beatblogging, I think there are a few problems with this construct of journalism. It makes several [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tahoe Journalism &#187; Learning to listen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-363842</link>
		<dc:creator>Tahoe Journalism &#187; Learning to listen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and makes connections between them. Jeff Jarvis describes this beautifully in a recent post on Rosen&#8217;s beatblogging experiment: I return to the wisdom of Facebookâ€™s Mark Zuckerberg when he advised media moguls at Davos not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and makes connections between them. Jeff Jarvis describes this beautifully in a recent post on Rosen&#8217;s beatblogging experiment: I return to the wisdom of Facebookâ€™s Mark Zuckerberg when he advised media moguls at Davos not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tyndall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-363815</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Tyndall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarvis --

Your vision of journalism seems to share a similar blind spot to Rosen's: see the &lt;a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2007/10/18/site_coordinates.html#comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;comments&lt;/a&gt; in his post &lt;i&gt;My Coordinates for a Successful News Site&lt;/i&gt;.

In the world before the Internet, the job of journalism was encumbered by the task of delivering all sorts of non-news-related material just because reporters happened to be working in a medium that was efficient at disseminating that information. Newspapers contain the comics and the baseball box scores and stock market closing prices. Local TV news includes traffic data and weather forecasts. Network morning TV news includes fashion shows, cooking demonstrations and rock concerts. Political TV news can consist of the mere carriage of an event -- a Presidential press conference, a Congressional hearing, a candidates' debate -- documenting a proceeding rather than reporting on it.

The expanded media universe that the Internet offers allows journalists to shuck off that extraneous baggage and to concentrate on their core job: to find what is newsworthy, informing citizens of developments and controversies in their community, in the body politic, and in the world at large, so they need not act like civic illiterates.

The key term here is &lt;i&gt;news&lt;/i&gt;. Journalists have a specialized way of looking at the world. It involves isolating, selecting and emphasizing those aspects of daily life that are unusual, controversial, innovative, counterintuitive, salient; events that change the status quo or require the status quo to change in response. There are plenty of other people examining the real world and producing non-fictional information -- librarians, encyclopedians, essayists, commentators, academics, polemicists, activists -- whose priority is not to find the newsworthy elements in the day's events and create headlinegrabbing narratives out of them.

To me, BuzzMachine's speculations on Beatblogging refer to the entire universe of producing non-fiction information -- not to what journalists should do. Using BuzzMachine's examples, I fail to see why it is the special job of journalists to act as as intermediary between experts, or to facilitate wiki-histories, or to educate, or to gather information. In fact, all of those roles are probably better accomplished by those who are not looking for what is newsworthy -- because emphasizing the newsworthy over the mundane is, inevitably, a distorting process.

To repeat myself, this is how I commented on Rosen's thread: "The current phase of fragmentation and atomization of the media offers an opportunity to shuck off the baggage of non-news, safe in the knowledge that those important functions are being taken care of elsewhere. Thus journalists can concentrate on the task at hand." The same criticism applies to the idea of Beatblogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarvis &#8211;</p>
<p>Your vision of journalism seems to share a similar blind spot to Rosen&#8217;s: see the <a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2007/10/18/site_coordinates.html#comments" rel="nofollow">comments</a> in his post <i>My Coordinates for a Successful News Site</i>.</p>
<p>In the world before the Internet, the job of journalism was encumbered by the task of delivering all sorts of non-news-related material just because reporters happened to be working in a medium that was efficient at disseminating that information. Newspapers contain the comics and the baseball box scores and stock market closing prices. Local TV news includes traffic data and weather forecasts. Network morning TV news includes fashion shows, cooking demonstrations and rock concerts. Political TV news can consist of the mere carriage of an event &#8212; a Presidential press conference, a Congressional hearing, a candidates&#8217; debate &#8212; documenting a proceeding rather than reporting on it.</p>
<p>The expanded media universe that the Internet offers allows journalists to shuck off that extraneous baggage and to concentrate on their core job: to find what is newsworthy, informing citizens of developments and controversies in their community, in the body politic, and in the world at large, so they need not act like civic illiterates.</p>
<p>The key term here is <i>news</i>. Journalists have a specialized way of looking at the world. It involves isolating, selecting and emphasizing those aspects of daily life that are unusual, controversial, innovative, counterintuitive, salient; events that change the status quo or require the status quo to change in response. There are plenty of other people examining the real world and producing non-fictional information &#8212; librarians, encyclopedians, essayists, commentators, academics, polemicists, activists &#8212; whose priority is not to find the newsworthy elements in the day&#8217;s events and create headlinegrabbing narratives out of them.</p>
<p>To me, BuzzMachine&#8217;s speculations on Beatblogging refer to the entire universe of producing non-fiction information &#8212; not to what journalists should do. Using BuzzMachine&#8217;s examples, I fail to see why it is the special job of journalists to act as as intermediary between experts, or to facilitate wiki-histories, or to educate, or to gather information. In fact, all of those roles are probably better accomplished by those who are not looking for what is newsworthy &#8212; because emphasizing the newsworthy over the mundane is, inevitably, a distorting process.</p>
<p>To repeat myself, this is how I commented on Rosen&#8217;s thread: &#8220;The current phase of fragmentation and atomization of the media offers an opportunity to shuck off the baggage of non-news, safe in the knowledge that those important functions are being taken care of elsewhere. Thus journalists can concentrate on the task at hand.&#8221; The same criticism applies to the idea of Beatblogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Scovell&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; journalists on your sphincter</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-363683</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Scovell&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; journalists on your sphincter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» Beatblogging Last spring, Alan Rusbridger, editor of the Guardian, sat down and drew one of his famous charts for me: a funnel through which news flowed. The journalist stood at the narrow bottom, the sphincter (my word) controlling the flow. But Alan envisioned moving the journalist up to the wider top where the job changed, encouraging more information â€” and the right information â€” to flow into the funnel and to loop around and gather more information in turn (additions, corrections, etc.) in a continuous cycle. Thatâ€™s what beatblogging is about: figuring out where the reporter stands and what he does. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» Beatblogging Last spring, Alan Rusbridger, editor of the Guardian, sat down and drew one of his famous charts for me: a funnel through which news flowed. The journalist stood at the narrow bottom, the sphincter (my word) controlling the flow. But Alan envisioned moving the journalist up to the wider top where the job changed, encouraging more information â€” and the right information â€” to flow into the funnel and to loop around and gather more information in turn (additions, corrections, etc.) in a continuous cycle. Thatâ€™s what beatblogging is about: figuring out where the reporter stands and what he does. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: everybuddy.org &#187; Newspapers are creating the right product for the wrong market</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-363664</link>
		<dc:creator>everybuddy.org &#187; Newspapers are creating the right product for the wrong market</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of classifieds, we have ebay. Instead of traditional journalism, we have a host of other things e.g. . Instead of advertising, we have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-363572</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O-shift,
I think you raise interesting points, which I hope to address later. But I'll take a moment now to make clear that there's nothing wrong with the word "sphincter." You have them in your stomach, too. Surely we can make mature use of the language without getting into schoolyard interpretations of "dehumanizing propaganda." Come now. 
More later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O-shift,<br />
I think you raise interesting points, which I hope to address later. But I&#8217;ll take a moment now to make clear that there&#8217;s nothing wrong with the word &#8220;sphincter.&#8221; You have them in your stomach, too. Surely we can make mature use of the language without getting into schoolyard interpretations of &#8220;dehumanizing propaganda.&#8221; Come now.<br />
More later.</p>
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		<title>By: O-Shift</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-363568</link>
		<dc:creator>O-Shift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of the word "sphincters" to describe news media/journalist belies contempt. I get the sense that the only way you can effectively argue for a new paradigm is to belittle and marginalize reporters.  It's a dehumanizing propaganda you are selling. 

In your world, a reporter is an informed grocery clerk, telling readers what aisle they can go do to check out the chicken special: a â€œmoderator, vetter, enabler, encourager." 

But I can see your point about networks, informed networks, which have developed the practiced skills and tools needed to effectively pull out information from primary sources, or as we use to call it news gathering. I just don't buy it. 

A journalist is a disruptive agent. They don't buy into networks. Most barely buy into their employer. That's a character trait that was in place before he/she took their first job. 

I think that's what beginning to trouble me about the direction of your analysis. It supposes that new systems emerging will get at the old problems in a better way. Where have I read this before -- this belief that a new man emerges from new systems? 

In the big picture truth the journalists is like the artist, motivated by a need to explore mystery and emerge with a story.  Only a few in our time will ever produce that essential truth, but whoever does it will be do so because of their inner life and not because of their networked one. Your analysis doesnâ€™t grasp any of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of the word &#8220;sphincters&#8221; to describe news media/journalist belies contempt. I get the sense that the only way you can effectively argue for a new paradigm is to belittle and marginalize reporters.  It&#8217;s a dehumanizing propaganda you are selling. </p>
<p>In your world, a reporter is an informed grocery clerk, telling readers what aisle they can go do to check out the chicken special: a â€œmoderator, vetter, enabler, encourager.&#8221; </p>
<p>But I can see your point about networks, informed networks, which have developed the practiced skills and tools needed to effectively pull out information from primary sources, or as we use to call it news gathering. I just don&#8217;t buy it. </p>
<p>A journalist is a disruptive agent. They don&#8217;t buy into networks. Most barely buy into their employer. That&#8217;s a character trait that was in place before he/she took their first job. </p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s what beginning to trouble me about the direction of your analysis. It supposes that new systems emerging will get at the old problems in a better way. Where have I read this before &#8212; this belief that a new man emerges from new systems? </p>
<p>In the big picture truth the journalists is like the artist, motivated by a need to explore mystery and emerge with a story.  Only a few in our time will ever produce that essential truth, but whoever does it will be do so because of their inner life and not because of their networked one. Your analysis doesnâ€™t grasp any of this.</p>
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		<title>By: knackeredhack</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-363555</link>
		<dc:creator>knackeredhack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Christopher.  As of now, there is a proliferation of journalism going on by people who have information and the ability and time to communicate it, and no barrier to publish.  Pareto distributions will create new winners, and that won't always depend strictly on merit.  How those winners choose to spend their cashflows might well determine what sorts of jobs exist for people with narrow journalism skills.  

It's a process of creative destruction and at the moment it favours those who can combine hard science/tech skills and can connect with audiences.  I do have a hard time seeing the average journalist arbitrating specialist conversations that are already taking place anyway. 

There is perhaps some higher polymath style function that is needed in a more complex society, but I doubt journalism schools are preparing their students for such roles.  All of this, as usual, ignores the cinderella profession of trade journalism, which I'm assuming is in rude health happily helping drive the economy forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Christopher.  As of now, there is a proliferation of journalism going on by people who have information and the ability and time to communicate it, and no barrier to publish.  Pareto distributions will create new winners, and that won&#8217;t always depend strictly on merit.  How those winners choose to spend their cashflows might well determine what sorts of jobs exist for people with narrow journalism skills.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a process of creative destruction and at the moment it favours those who can combine hard science/tech skills and can connect with audiences.  I do have a hard time seeing the average journalist arbitrating specialist conversations that are already taking place anyway. </p>
<p>There is perhaps some higher polymath style function that is needed in a more complex society, but I doubt journalism schools are preparing their students for such roles.  All of this, as usual, ignores the cinderella profession of trade journalism, which I&#8217;m assuming is in rude health happily helping drive the economy forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-363516</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalism today works on the premise that journalist skills are primary.  Are they in beatblogging, or are they secondary?

&#62; A reporter should make connections: Well, expert A, you say this but expert B says that, why donâ€™t you read each othersâ€™ blog posts and push your ideas toward consensus or clear disagreement? Or expert B needs a fact that expert A might have and the reporter makes that connection.

What are the odds that an outsider knows about A and B but A and B don't know about each other?  (Hint - low.)

An expert, by definition, knows more of what's relevant in a given field than outsiders.

&#62; When you think about it, that has always been the mission of journalism: organizing information so communities can organize their activities.

Bollocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalism today works on the premise that journalist skills are primary.  Are they in beatblogging, or are they secondary?</p>
<p>&gt; A reporter should make connections: Well, expert A, you say this but expert B says that, why donâ€™t you read each othersâ€™ blog posts and push your ideas toward consensus or clear disagreement? Or expert B needs a fact that expert A might have and the reporter makes that connection.</p>
<p>What are the odds that an outsider knows about A and B but A and B don&#8217;t know about each other?  (Hint - low.)</p>
<p>An expert, by definition, knows more of what&#8217;s relevant in a given field than outsiders.</p>
<p>&gt; When you think about it, that has always been the mission of journalism: organizing information so communities can organize their activities.</p>
<p>Bollocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-363504</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which, I would add, rather cynically, means that as the number of citizen-reporters balloons, the number of professional reporters will diminish.

Scienceblogs is run by maybe 1.5 "journalists" - the other 60+ folk, the bloggers, are folks who blog there as a hobby or in support of their other projects... and I can virtually guarantee none are making a living wage from the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which, I would add, rather cynically, means that as the number of citizen-reporters balloons, the number of professional reporters will diminish.</p>
<p>Scienceblogs is run by maybe 1.5 &#8220;journalists&#8221; - the other 60+ folk, the bloggers, are folks who blog there as a hobby or in support of their other projects&#8230; and I can virtually guarantee none are making a living wage from the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure that your metaphor really applies to Glam and Scienceblogs. In as much as there is any curating going on there, it's done primarily by the bloggers themselves. Which would make them reporters, right?

The only real curators out there are Slashdot, BoingBoing, etc. Which makes Mark and Xeni and Cmdr. Taco the curators there - the sphincters of large funnels of user suggestions.

I'm not sure anyone's yet put together what you're describing. In fact, I'm not convinced that the old model is so different from the new one, except that now the market has fragmented so thoroughly that I no longer have to rely on a few thousand journalist / sphincters to get my information -- I can rely on tens of thousands of them or more, each catering to the narrowest slivers of my particular spectrum of interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that your metaphor really applies to Glam and Scienceblogs. In as much as there is any curating going on there, it&#8217;s done primarily by the bloggers themselves. Which would make them reporters, right?</p>
<p>The only real curators out there are Slashdot, BoingBoing, etc. Which makes Mark and Xeni and Cmdr. Taco the curators there - the sphincters of large funnels of user suggestions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure anyone&#8217;s yet put together what you&#8217;re describing. In fact, I&#8217;m not convinced that the old model is so different from the new one, except that now the market has fragmented so thoroughly that I no longer have to rely on a few thousand journalist / sphincters to get my information &#8212; I can rely on tens of thousands of them or more, each catering to the narrowest slivers of my particular spectrum of interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Blank: Publishing, Innovation &#38; the Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Shifting Role of Journalists: From Center to Edge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Blank: Publishing, Innovation &#38; the Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Shifting Role of Journalists: From Center to Edge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Cohn</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/18/beatblogging/#comment-363492</link>
		<dc:creator>David Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm also happy that Jay was able to get together this coalition of the daring at the Networked Journalism Summit.

Also proud to be a part of it. It's not that this is anything "new." But we hope it will be a methodical approach - really trying to figure out how this all works. 

Funn you say "What if the reporter does such a good job organizing such a good network that it runs on its own....so that the reporter isnâ€™t needed anymore? Could happen, no? But I donâ€™t think it will â€” if reporters learn to redefine themselves."

I had that exact conversation last night. There seems to be this fear that if the reporter isn't out on the street "reporting," then they have nothing to do. What we need to remember is that this is a changing job description. Community management is a part of web 2.0 -- and it's slowly becoming a part of journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also happy that Jay was able to get together this coalition of the daring at the Networked Journalism Summit.</p>
<p>Also proud to be a part of it. It&#8217;s not that this is anything &#8220;new.&#8221; But we hope it will be a methodical approach - really trying to figure out how this all works. </p>
<p>Funn you say &#8220;What if the reporter does such a good job organizing such a good network that it runs on its own&#8230;.so that the reporter isnâ€™t needed anymore? Could happen, no? But I donâ€™t think it will â€” if reporters learn to redefine themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>I had that exact conversation last night. There seems to be this fear that if the reporter isn&#8217;t out on the street &#8220;reporting,&#8221; then they have nothing to do. What we need to remember is that this is a changing job description. Community management is a part of web 2.0 &#8212; and it&#8217;s slowly becoming a part of journalism.</p>
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