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	<title>Comments on: On the Media: Open up</title>
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	<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/26/on-the-media-open-up/</link>
	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: andy carvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/26/on-the-media-open-up/#comment-364738</link>
		<dc:creator>andy carvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several of our shows have started to open up their production activities pretty aggressively, including &lt;a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark" rel="nofollow"&gt;Bryant Park Project&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk" rel="nofollow"&gt;Talk of the Nation&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/newsandviews" rel="nofollow"&gt;News and Notes&lt;/a&gt;. All three of them are embracing user input, particularly through their blogs. They've used the blogs to solicit story ideas, identify interview subjects, take questions and critique our content. And it's not just shows; reporter Ketzel Levine has a &lt;a&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/ketzel/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Flickr group&lt;/a&gt;, which she uses in part to mine for story ideas and content. In all of these cases, sometimes a story begins as a user comment on a blog, perhaps escalates to a full blog post, then becomes an on-air piece, which in turn gets mentioned on the blog for more user comment, going full circle.

Part of the challenge has been the process of simply updating our online infrastructure to allow for greater public participation, but we're beginning to make some progress. In the meantime, some of the shows have begun launching &lt;a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5099834099" rel="nofollow"&gt;Facebook presences&lt;/a&gt; to give users another venue to offer input and discuss things among themselves. These activities, of course, just scratch the surface of what we're planning on doing, so as far as I'm concerned, we're just warming up. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several of our shows have started to open up their production activities pretty aggressively, including <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark" rel="nofollow">Bryant Park Project</a>, <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk" rel="nofollow">Talk of the Nation</a> and <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/newsandviews" rel="nofollow">News and Notes</a>. All three of them are embracing user input, particularly through their blogs. They&#8217;ve used the blogs to solicit story ideas, identify interview subjects, take questions and critique our content. And it&#8217;s not just shows; reporter Ketzel Levine has a <a>blog</a> and <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/ketzel/" rel="nofollow">Flickr group</a>, which she uses in part to mine for story ideas and content. In all of these cases, sometimes a story begins as a user comment on a blog, perhaps escalates to a full blog post, then becomes an on-air piece, which in turn gets mentioned on the blog for more user comment, going full circle.</p>
<p>Part of the challenge has been the process of simply updating our online infrastructure to allow for greater public participation, but we&#8217;re beginning to make some progress. In the meantime, some of the shows have begun launching <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5099834099" rel="nofollow">Facebook presences</a> to give users another venue to offer input and discuss things among themselves. These activities, of course, just scratch the surface of what we&#8217;re planning on doing, so as far as I&#8217;m concerned, we&#8217;re just warming up. <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Chase</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/26/on-the-media-open-up/#comment-364082</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrific to see John Keefe is listening. OtM is my favorite podcast. My NPR stations (in Seattle, then Idaho) don't pick it up so I'd never heard of it and it's a great show I started listening to in the last year or so. If John, Brooke and Bob haven't read "Wisdom of Crowds", it's worth their time as it gives some guidelines for how to take in the collective intelligence of the crowd. 

As Jeff has said on numerous occasions, the power of magazines that they've squandered is their community. OtM could be much more than a 1-hour program if it wanted to be. It could be a franchise that expanded upon its foundation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrific to see John Keefe is listening. OtM is my favorite podcast. My NPR stations (in Seattle, then Idaho) don&#8217;t pick it up so I&#8217;d never heard of it and it&#8217;s a great show I started listening to in the last year or so. If John, Brooke and Bob haven&#8217;t read &#8220;Wisdom of Crowds&#8221;, it&#8217;s worth their time as it gives some guidelines for how to take in the collective intelligence of the crowd. </p>
<p>As Jeff has said on numerous occasions, the power of magazines that they&#8217;ve squandered is their community. OtM could be much more than a 1-hour program if it wanted to be. It could be a franchise that expanded upon its foundation.</p>
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		<title>By: John Keefe</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/26/on-the-media-open-up/#comment-364003</link>
		<dc:creator>John Keefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff --
 
Point definitely taken. Getting listeners involved, and taking that involvement to entirely new levels, is key to On The Media's mission. In fact, we are already at work developing deep projects that tap the power of our audience -- and you will see the fruits of these efforts in the coming months.  

I was happy you mentioned the Brian Lehrer teamâ€™s early crowdsourcing efforts, which we are continuing to prototype and expand on -- not only within the BL show, but also our new national morning show, our newsroom, and of course, OTM. 

It makes sense for OTM to peel away layers of the media-making onion even with our own show ... and it's good to remember that to get people involved, sometimes all we have to do is ask.

John Keefe

Executive Producer, On The Media

and Senior Executive Producer for News, WNYC Radio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211;</p>
<p>Point definitely taken. Getting listeners involved, and taking that involvement to entirely new levels, is key to On The Media&#8217;s mission. In fact, we are already at work developing deep projects that tap the power of our audience &#8212; and you will see the fruits of these efforts in the coming months.  </p>
<p>I was happy you mentioned the Brian Lehrer teamâ€™s early crowdsourcing efforts, which we are continuing to prototype and expand on &#8212; not only within the BL show, but also our new national morning show, our newsroom, and of course, OTM. </p>
<p>It makes sense for OTM to peel away layers of the media-making onion even with our own show &#8230; and it&#8217;s good to remember that to get people involved, sometimes all we have to do is ask.</p>
<p>John Keefe</p>
<p>Executive Producer, On The Media</p>
<p>and Senior Executive Producer for News, WNYC Radio</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/26/on-the-media-open-up/#comment-364000</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tuned into this episode of OTM. I was listing via streaming video via &lt;a href="http://wglt.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;WGLT&lt;/a&gt;, by the way.

I was struck by one one of the guests said, namely that if ever single newspaper and book printing on dead trees were suddenly available only online, the result would be an vastly improved environment. 

Thank about it. Not only would much of the logging end, so would the environmentally hazardous process of milling and pulping trees. There would be no need to transport all that lumber and paper by truck and train. Think of all the landfill space that would open up all of the sudden.

And consider how it would democratize the publishing world. Suddenly owning a printing press would NOT make one a gatekeeper. Everyone would be able to be a publisher.

The only thing stopping it would be the sentiment I heard expressed over and over on OTM: "Doggone it. I like to turn pages."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tuned into this episode of OTM. I was listing via streaming video via <a href="http://wglt.org" rel="nofollow">WGLT</a>, by the way.</p>
<p>I was struck by one one of the guests said, namely that if ever single newspaper and book printing on dead trees were suddenly available only online, the result would be an vastly improved environment. </p>
<p>Thank about it. Not only would much of the logging end, so would the environmentally hazardous process of milling and pulping trees. There would be no need to transport all that lumber and paper by truck and train. Think of all the landfill space that would open up all of the sudden.</p>
<p>And consider how it would democratize the publishing world. Suddenly owning a printing press would NOT make one a gatekeeper. Everyone would be able to be a publisher.</p>
<p>The only thing stopping it would be the sentiment I heard expressed over and over on OTM: &#8220;Doggone it. I like to turn pages.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jonny goldstein</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/26/on-the-media-open-up/#comment-363995</link>
		<dc:creator>jonny goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a big fan of OTM as well.

I think they can keep their point of view, and at the same time open it up a little bit. They could benefit from learning stuff viewers send their way they don't even know about that will support their point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of OTM as well.</p>
<p>I think they can keep their point of view, and at the same time open it up a little bit. They could benefit from learning stuff viewers send their way they don&#8217;t even know about that will support their point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSgt</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/26/on-the-media-open-up/#comment-363962</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveSgt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes, Jeff, too many cooks can and do spoil the soup. Often, you're better off to have those two different soups at two different meals, and let the cooks express themselves uniquely in each instance.

I think OtM does what they do well BECAUSE it's a tight-knit group of relatively like-minded people putting it together. If hundreds or thousands of people started having their say into how each and every interview gets edited, each and every story is researched, each and every story is selected for the show, I think it would loose the focus that makes it so informative and engaging now.

As a media producer myself, I certainly would love to get a lot more feedback than I do.  But I think my job would be unwieldy if I opened every step of the process up to a committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes, Jeff, too many cooks can and do spoil the soup. Often, you&#8217;re better off to have those two different soups at two different meals, and let the cooks express themselves uniquely in each instance.</p>
<p>I think OtM does what they do well BECAUSE it&#8217;s a tight-knit group of relatively like-minded people putting it together. If hundreds or thousands of people started having their say into how each and every interview gets edited, each and every story is researched, each and every story is selected for the show, I think it would loose the focus that makes it so informative and engaging now.</p>
<p>As a media producer myself, I certainly would love to get a lot more feedback than I do.  But I think my job would be unwieldy if I opened every step of the process up to a committee.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Walters</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/26/on-the-media-open-up/#comment-363922</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Walters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like Chris Lydon's (for a moment defunct and now reborn) radio show, Open Source (http://www.radioopensource.org). Great post, Jeff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like Chris Lydon&#8217;s (for a moment defunct and now reborn) radio show, Open Source (http://www.radioopensource.org). Great post, Jeff.</p>
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		<title>By: Badger Gravling</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/26/on-the-media-open-up/#comment-363881</link>
		<dc:creator>Badger Gravling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Institute for the Future of the Book is interesting...but I should probably point out your hyperlink to it is broken... How's that for input....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Institute for the Future of the Book is interesting&#8230;but I should probably point out your hyperlink to it is broken&#8230; How&#8217;s that for input&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: robertdfeinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/26/on-the-media-open-up/#comment-363877</link>
		<dc:creator>robertdfeinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you are making the unwarranted assumption that a program like this is trying to cover an aspect of society rather than trying to illustrate a point of view that they have already adopted.

OtM is better than most of the media it covers because they take a jaundiced view of much of what passes for "objective" reporting. This is their basic theme: the media could do better.

It would dilute their message to give illustrations that are counter examples. Furthermore the threats (in this case to book publishing) are much greater than the successes of new initiatives and they may feel that, given the limited amount of time they have, the dangers need to be covered exclusively.

This isn't to say that you aren't right that the press should be soliciting more input from its audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you are making the unwarranted assumption that a program like this is trying to cover an aspect of society rather than trying to illustrate a point of view that they have already adopted.</p>
<p>OtM is better than most of the media it covers because they take a jaundiced view of much of what passes for &#8220;objective&#8221; reporting. This is their basic theme: the media could do better.</p>
<p>It would dilute their message to give illustrations that are counter examples. Furthermore the threats (in this case to book publishing) are much greater than the successes of new initiatives and they may feel that, given the limited amount of time they have, the dangers need to be covered exclusively.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that you aren&#8217;t right that the press should be soliciting more input from its audience.</p>
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