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		<title>By: Are Traditional Magazines Unbiased? &#124; Blog World Expo Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-375107</link>
		<dc:creator>Are Traditional Magazines Unbiased? &#124; Blog World Expo Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the issue at hand. Traditional media outlets for at least as long as I can remember have charged that their biggest advantage over blogs is that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Press Gazette Blogs - Media Money &#187; Crossing the void &#8212; with the New York Times</title>
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		<dc:creator>Press Gazette Blogs - Media Money &#187; Crossing the void &#8212; with the New York Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis seems irritated by the speech New York Times editor Bill Keller gave in London this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: giornalismi possibili : Il Citizen Journalism Ã¨ morto, il futuro Ã¨ il Giornalismo degli esperti</title>
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		<dc:creator>giornalismi possibili : Il Citizen Journalism Ã¨ morto, il futuro Ã¨ il Giornalismo degli esperti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] diversamente da Jeff Jarvis nella sua autodifesa, io vorrei difendere la veritÃ  soltanto con due argomenti apparentemente [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A blog, after all, is just a content management system&#8230; &#124; WordPress Consulting, Development and SEO - Lucas Sawyer Consulting</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-365562</link>
		<dc:creator>A blog, after all, is just a content management system&#8230; &#124; WordPress Consulting, Development and SEO - Lucas Sawyer Consulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] many news organizations are too busy focusing on the us vs. them polemic with blogs, it makes sense that someone like Nick Denton would have to step into the vacuum â€” which [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Can Blogs Do Journalism? - Publishing 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-365414</link>
		<dc:creator>Can Blogs Do Journalism? - Publishing 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] many news organizations are too busy focusing on the us vs. them polemic with blogs, it makes sense that someone like Nick Denton would have to step into the vacuum &#8212; which [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NewsCred Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bill Keller and the Defense of Journalism</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewsCred Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bill Keller and the Defense of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] replaced by a self-regulating democracy of voices, the wisdom of the crowd. &#8221; (note: Jarvis retorts that this is an inaccurate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ABC Digital Futures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Peace breaks out in the journalism wars</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364863</link>
		<dc:creator>ABC Digital Futures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Peace breaks out in the journalism wars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] journalism champion, Jeff Jarvis, was miffed by comments made last week by Bill Keller, the executive editor of the The New York Times, to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ABC Digital Futures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Not dead yet: the newspaper in the days of digital anarchy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364670</link>
		<dc:creator>ABC Digital Futures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Not dead yet: the newspaper in the days of digital anarchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis takes issue. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Fisk</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364461</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Fisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... Eh, Thomas Paine of course, not Payne. But I&#039;m sure the copy desk will catch that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; Eh, Thomas Paine of course, not Payne. But I&#8217;m sure the copy desk will catch that.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Fisk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Fisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(If past performance is any guide, this is the point where the &quot;citizen journalism&quot; zealots resort to their regular fall-back strategy of full-blown Scientology-style ad hominem attacks. Ho-hum.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(If past performance is any guide, this is the point where the &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; zealots resort to their regular fall-back strategy of full-blown Scientology-style ad hominem attacks. Ho-hum.)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Fisk</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364455</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Fisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, &quot;citizen journalism&quot; is probably not a threat to real journalism. It&#039;s little more than an annoying distraction from any genuine discussion about how professional journalism will navigate the rapids of technological evolution.  (Just look at the pathetic results of the Assignment Zero debacle for a real-world indicator of citizen journalism&#039;s lack of potential. )

The &quot;citizen journalism&quot; movement constitutes an ill-fated attempt to take a huge step backward for a civilization that already has a well-established free and professional press. It would constitute a step forward in, say, Burma -- that&#039;s an instance where the hackneyed Thomas Payne comparison might actually apply.

As a consumer of news, I absolutely insist that it be accurate, reliable, fair, credible, relevant and useful. &quot;Citizen journalism&quot; does not provide that, and I don&#039;t see even the slimmest prospect that it ever could.  

Sure, I take part in &quot;crowdsourcing.&quot; It works great for some things, like when I buy a new model of Pocket PC and exchange information with peers in an online forum about the ins and outs of the device, which hacks and tweaks to try, etc.  It works because the information is readily testable and verifiable. That&#039;s also why the open-source model works for software development.   But journalism is clearly not the same.  I can&#039;t verify every bit of news that I consume, so in large part I have to be able to rely on the credibility, reputation and professionalism of the news outlet that is conveying that information. If some &quot;citizen&quot; &quot;reports&quot; something, I have no reason to believe it until professional journalists have interviewed that &quot;citizen&quot; and investigated the &quot;report.&quot;  If self-styled amateur journalists want to submit photos and eyewitness accounts, fine, but this stuff still needs to be investigated, filtered, verified and edited in accordance with established journalistic standards.  The amateur should be viewed as a source, not as a journalist. 

Anyway, bravo to Bill Keller as always. A great many of us appreciate his efforts.  The mindset that Bill was alluding to, even if he was mistaken in directly linking Jeff to that mindset,  is all too real.  Whatever the case, this was a small point in Bill&#039;s speech and should not be allowed to distract from the rest of his message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; is probably not a threat to real journalism. It&#8217;s little more than an annoying distraction from any genuine discussion about how professional journalism will navigate the rapids of technological evolution.  (Just look at the pathetic results of the Assignment Zero debacle for a real-world indicator of citizen journalism&#8217;s lack of potential. )</p>
<p>The &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; movement constitutes an ill-fated attempt to take a huge step backward for a civilization that already has a well-established free and professional press. It would constitute a step forward in, say, Burma &#8212; that&#8217;s an instance where the hackneyed Thomas Payne comparison might actually apply.</p>
<p>As a consumer of news, I absolutely insist that it be accurate, reliable, fair, credible, relevant and useful. &#8220;Citizen journalism&#8221; does not provide that, and I don&#8217;t see even the slimmest prospect that it ever could.  </p>
<p>Sure, I take part in &#8220;crowdsourcing.&#8221; It works great for some things, like when I buy a new model of Pocket PC and exchange information with peers in an online forum about the ins and outs of the device, which hacks and tweaks to try, etc.  It works because the information is readily testable and verifiable. That&#8217;s also why the open-source model works for software development.   But journalism is clearly not the same.  I can&#8217;t verify every bit of news that I consume, so in large part I have to be able to rely on the credibility, reputation and professionalism of the news outlet that is conveying that information. If some &#8220;citizen&#8221; &#8220;reports&#8221; something, I have no reason to believe it until professional journalists have interviewed that &#8220;citizen&#8221; and investigated the &#8220;report.&#8221;  If self-styled amateur journalists want to submit photos and eyewitness accounts, fine, but this stuff still needs to be investigated, filtered, verified and edited in accordance with established journalistic standards.  The amateur should be viewed as a source, not as a journalist. </p>
<p>Anyway, bravo to Bill Keller as always. A great many of us appreciate his efforts.  The mindset that Bill was alluding to, even if he was mistaken in directly linking Jeff to that mindset,  is all too real.  Whatever the case, this was a small point in Bill&#8217;s speech and should not be allowed to distract from the rest of his message.</p>
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		<title>By: robb montgomery</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364452</link>
		<dc:creator>robb montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Participatory journalism,&quot; perhaps. I chaired Jimmy Wales session at the World Editors Forum in Moscow and to say he was facing a hostile crows of editors and publishers would be an understatement. It was a bit testy to convene a dialogue between executive editors who manage million dollar editorial payrolls and a man who &#039;employs&#039; amateur editors for free.
 They really are two polar opposites and, the irony, is of course that that to give any Wiki entry a dose of authenticity these editors must cite &#039;reliable sources&#039; in their markups. Reliable sources being news organizations, off course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Participatory journalism,&#8221; perhaps. I chaired Jimmy Wales session at the World Editors Forum in Moscow and to say he was facing a hostile crows of editors and publishers would be an understatement. It was a bit testy to convene a dialogue between executive editors who manage million dollar editorial payrolls and a man who &#8216;employs&#8217; amateur editors for free.<br />
 They really are two polar opposites and, the irony, is of course that that to give any Wiki entry a dose of authenticity these editors must cite &#8216;reliable sources&#8217; in their markups. Reliable sources being news organizations, off course.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...maybe not a war cry, but you seem to enthusiastically predict the imminent death of the MSM, consistently referring to it as dinosaurs nearing extinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;maybe not a war cry, but you seem to enthusiastically predict the imminent death of the MSM, consistently referring to it as dinosaurs nearing extinction.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364450</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think Jarvis should be able to provide a clear and concise definition of exactly what he means by &quot;networked journalism&quot; if it&#039;s so completely &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to characterize it as &quot;citizen journalism.&quot; By switching the name from &quot;citizen journalism&quot; to &quot;networked journalism,&quot; one would naturally be led to believe they are either the same thing or very similar. From the fragments I&#039;ve picked up from this thread, I personally think &quot;citizen journalism&quot; sounds more accurate and already has a lot more momentum. In the very least, &quot;networked journalism&quot; seems to be a subset of &quot;citizen journalism&quot; (maybe someone should update the wikipedia entry for &quot;citizen journalism&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think Jarvis should be able to provide a clear and concise definition of exactly what he means by &#8220;networked journalism&#8221; if it&#8217;s so completely <b><i>wrong</i></b> to characterize it as &#8220;citizen journalism.&#8221; By switching the name from &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; to &#8220;networked journalism,&#8221; one would naturally be led to believe they are either the same thing or very similar. From the fragments I&#8217;ve picked up from this thread, I personally think &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; sounds more accurate and already has a lot more momentum. In the very least, &#8220;networked journalism&#8221; seems to be a subset of &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; (maybe someone should update the wikipedia entry for &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364449</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, in any case, I&#039;m certainly not calling for the death of mainstream media and journalism. Call it what you will, I&#039;m asking for collaboration. That means professionals and citizens arm in arm, working together. Doesn&#039;t sound like a war cry to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, in any case, I&#8217;m certainly not calling for the death of mainstream media and journalism. Call it what you will, I&#8217;m asking for collaboration. That means professionals and citizens arm in arm, working together. Doesn&#8217;t sound like a war cry to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364448</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I meant whatever terms you see as the absolutely correctamunroe and flatly descriptive terms, the right and true terms, the question is not any of that, but whether those hybrid practices--you name em, smart guy!--can work, do work, will work, can be made to work...

Open question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I meant whatever terms you see as the absolutely correctamunroe and flatly descriptive terms, the right and true terms, the question is not any of that, but whether those hybrid practices&#8211;you name em, smart guy!&#8211;can work, do work, will work, can be made to work&#8230;</p>
<p>Open question.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364446</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I asked...</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364444</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

That seems more like your definition of pro-am journalism.

I still don&#039;t think Jarvis can say that his rather broad and untested ideas about some kind of journalism involving blogs have been grossly mischaracterized. To me, what he vehemently insists must be called &quot;networked journalism&quot; is in spirit pretty much the same as what one could describe as &quot;citizen journalism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>That seems more like your definition of pro-am journalism.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t think Jarvis can say that his rather broad and untested ideas about some kind of journalism involving blogs have been grossly mischaracterized. To me, what he vehemently insists must be called &#8220;networked journalism&#8221; is in spirit pretty much the same as what one could describe as &#8220;citizen journalism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364442</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-rosen22aug22,0,4771551.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What&#039;s the point?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-rosen22aug22,0,4771551.story" rel="nofollow">What&#8217;s the point?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops... I entered Tom&#039;s name instead of mine by mistake, above -- sorry! D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8230; I entered Tom&#8217;s name instead of mine by mistake, above &#8212; sorry! D.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;At a certain point surely we just have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that a large proportion of these people arenâ€™t interested in engaging with this debate.&quot;

Tom,

As I was saying, the opposing side isn&#039;t backing up their claims either (Kara is a good example) so they appear to be guilty of the same sin... and are thus equally responsible for the lack of actual debate.  

Delia

P.S. It seems to be a silly game of lets see who can yell louder and can get more of  &quot;their friends&quot; to yell along with them...   D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;At a certain point surely we just have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that a large proportion of these people arenâ€™t interested in engaging with this debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tom,</p>
<p>As I was saying, the opposing side isn&#8217;t backing up their claims either (Kara is a good example) so they appear to be guilty of the same sin&#8230; and are thus equally responsible for the lack of actual debate.  </p>
<p>Delia</p>
<p>P.S. It seems to be a silly game of lets see who can yell louder and can get more of  &#8220;their friends&#8221; to yell along with them&#8230;   D.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364438</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Networked journalism: pros centered on the story and amateurs from the edges of the network work together to provide a fuller picture than either could manage without the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Networked journalism: pros centered on the story and amateurs from the edges of the network work together to provide a fuller picture than either could manage without the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/11/30/updating-bill-keller/#comment-364436</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What  I find annoying about blogs is how information is scattered all over. Can you please provide a concise definition of &quot;networked journalism?&quot; This is what I dug up (IMHO, calling it &quot;citizen journalism&quot; would seem fairly accurate to most people).

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In networked journalism, the public can get involved in a story before it is reported, contributing facts, questions, and suggestions. The journalists can rely on the public to help report the story; weâ€™ll see more and more of that, I trust. The journalists can and should link to other work on the same story, to source material, and perhaps blog posts from the sources (see: Mark Cuban). After the story is published â€” online, in print, wherever â€” the public can continue to contribute corrections, questions, facts, and perspective â€¦ not to mention promotion via links. I hope this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as journalists realize that they are less the manufacturers of news than the moderators of conversations that get to the news.
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journalists can rely on the public to help report the story
the public can continue to contribute corrections, questions, facts, and perspective
(journalists are) moderators of conversations that get to the news
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What  I find annoying about blogs is how information is scattered all over. Can you please provide a concise definition of &#8220;networked journalism?&#8221; This is what I dug up (IMHO, calling it &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; would seem fairly accurate to most people).</p>
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In networked journalism, the public can get involved in a story before it is reported, contributing facts, questions, and suggestions. The journalists can rely on the public to help report the story; weâ€™ll see more and more of that, I trust. The journalists can and should link to other work on the same story, to source material, and perhaps blog posts from the sources (see: Mark Cuban). After the story is published â€” online, in print, wherever â€” the public can continue to contribute corrections, questions, facts, and perspective â€¦ not to mention promotion via links. I hope this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as journalists realize that they are less the manufacturers of news than the moderators of conversations that get to the news.
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<p>journalists can rely on the public to help report the story<br />
the public can continue to contribute corrections, questions, facts, and perspective<br />
(journalists are) moderators of conversations that get to the news</p>
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		<title>By: The Networked Journalist &#124; Starclouds</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Networked Journalist &#124; Starclouds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on BuzzMachine, Jeff Jarvis has written an eloquent rebuttal to the notion that bloggers are somehow in competition with professional journalists, or that they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on BuzzMachine, Jeff Jarvis has written an eloquent rebuttal to the notion that bloggers are somehow in competition with professional journalists, or that they [...]</p>
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