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	<title>Comments on: Newspapers v. Facebook</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Le contexte généré par utilisateur &#124; Window on the Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le contexte généré par utilisateur &#124; Window on the Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seul problème, la frontière entre contenu et contexte n&#8217;est pas définie. Par ailleurs, son analyse pousse Umair à affirmer que l&#8217;UGC est complémentaire des contenus pros. Alors que les réseaux sociaux, où la plupart du contenu amateur voit le jour, restent, de l&#8217;aveu même de certains de leurs dirigeants, le principal concurrent des journaux. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Seul problème, la frontière entre contenu et contexte n&#8217;est pas définie. Par ailleurs, son analyse pousse Umair à affirmer que l&#8217;UGC est complémentaire des contenus pros. Alors que les réseaux sociaux, où la plupart du contenu amateur voit le jour, restent, de l&#8217;aveu même de certains de leurs dirigeants, le principal concurrent des journaux. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Looking from the outside in : the x degree: taking new media to new heights</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-373946</link>
		<dc:creator>Looking from the outside in : the x degree: taking new media to new heights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] your site use Facebook, MySpace, YouTube and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Journalist 2.0 &#187; Blogarkiv &#187; Aftonbladet eller Facebook?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365411</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalist 2.0 &#187; Blogarkiv &#187; Aftonbladet eller Facebook?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] amerikanske mediekommentator Jeff Jarvis har ogsÃ¥ set omtalen af Aftonbladets fokusgruppeundersÃ¸gelse og gÃ¥r et skridt videre i sin [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] amerikanske mediekommentator Jeff Jarvis har ogsÃ¥ set omtalen af Aftonbladets fokusgruppeundersÃ¸gelse og gÃ¥r et skridt videre i sin [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Millikin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365334</link>
		<dc:creator>David Millikin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... I wouldnâ€™t be making quizzes and such fripperies.&quot;
   
   Jeff, As usual a thought-provoking post. But I don&#039;t think your dismissal of &#039;quizzes and such fripperies&#039; is necessarily fair. 
   We (Fuel by AFP, a SF-based subsidiary of Agence France-Presse) have recently put a news quiz app on Facebook called Deadline, which we see as a first step in just the process you say would be your approach: &quot;figuring out how to get news that matters to you in your news feed (and)... finding ways to tie you with other people who share your interest and know what you want to know....&quot;
   Deadline (still in a very early form) entices people to learn more about the news items they find interesting (via the quiz), and will allow them to bookmark, share, post to their news feed and comment on news stories related to the quiz questions.
   The data we gather through the app shows us which news areas people know well, or don&#039;t know at all, which topics they choose to read more about, and share, etc. We can adjust subsequent questions to both suit people&#039;s expressed interests and provide more information on areas they know less about. 
   The quiz is just a starting point, the spark for beginning conversations and debate around world events through features we will be adding in the weeks and months to come.   
   As you have long argued, people, and particularly younger people, have little interest or trust in &quot;The News&quot; as handed down by traditional media. And yet they clearly care about world events -- witness the big FB groups around the tragedy in Darfur, climate change, even the recent crisis in Myanmar.
   Our hope is that we can help bridge that disconnect by providing a way into the news that is both entertaining and engaging -- engaging in the social sense where news is active, part of a community of conversation and debate.
   If we can make headway in that direction, we think Deadline will be more than a frippery. Give it a try and let us know what you think.
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; I wouldnâ€™t be making quizzes and such fripperies.&#8221;</p>
<p>   Jeff, As usual a thought-provoking post. But I don&#8217;t think your dismissal of &#8216;quizzes and such fripperies&#8217; is necessarily fair.<br />
   We (Fuel by AFP, a SF-based subsidiary of Agence France-Presse) have recently put a news quiz app on Facebook called Deadline, which we see as a first step in just the process you say would be your approach: &#8220;figuring out how to get news that matters to you in your news feed (and)&#8230; finding ways to tie you with other people who share your interest and know what you want to know&#8230;.&#8221;<br />
   Deadline (still in a very early form) entices people to learn more about the news items they find interesting (via the quiz), and will allow them to bookmark, share, post to their news feed and comment on news stories related to the quiz questions.<br />
   The data we gather through the app shows us which news areas people know well, or don&#8217;t know at all, which topics they choose to read more about, and share, etc. We can adjust subsequent questions to both suit people&#8217;s expressed interests and provide more information on areas they know less about.<br />
   The quiz is just a starting point, the spark for beginning conversations and debate around world events through features we will be adding in the weeks and months to come.<br />
   As you have long argued, people, and particularly younger people, have little interest or trust in &#8220;The News&#8221; as handed down by traditional media. And yet they clearly care about world events &#8212; witness the big FB groups around the tragedy in Darfur, climate change, even the recent crisis in Myanmar.<br />
   Our hope is that we can help bridge that disconnect by providing a way into the news that is both entertaining and engaging &#8212; engaging in the social sense where news is active, part of a community of conversation and debate.<br />
   If we can make headway in that direction, we think Deadline will be more than a frippery. Give it a try and let us know what you think.<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Taricani</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365333</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Taricani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the web options are changing the way we all get news and communicate. One just has to be sure that what is read is credible. The availability of personal blogs and websites offer a whole new perspective on how we see other Americans. I think this will continue and evetually the daily newspaper will be replaced by some RSS feed device.
Mike
http://mtaricani.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the web options are changing the way we all get news and communicate. One just has to be sure that what is read is credible. The availability of personal blogs and websites offer a whole new perspective on how we see other Americans. I think this will continue and evetually the daily newspaper will be replaced by some RSS feed device.<br />
Mike<br />
<a href="http://mtaricani.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mtaricani.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365207</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey very true Facebook can&#039;t be newspaper cause in newspaper only whats happening around, only news around is given. But its definitely a good idea if Facebook comes with an application which has latest news &amp; all those stuff, it will a good added benefit for Facebook for sure. Well there&#039;s one concept i came across in 1 of the blog called buzzuka.blogspot. Which says you can access facebook on mobile through sms without internet, no GPRS, no EDGE. 
Check this: http://modazzle.com/cms/userLogin.html?channel=CM&amp;camp=Facebook</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey very true Facebook can&#8217;t be newspaper cause in newspaper only whats happening around, only news around is given. But its definitely a good idea if Facebook comes with an application which has latest news &amp; all those stuff, it will a good added benefit for Facebook for sure. Well there&#8217;s one concept i came across in 1 of the blog called buzzuka.blogspot. Which says you can access facebook on mobile through sms without internet, no GPRS, no EDGE.<br />
Check this: <a href="http://modazzle.com/cms/userLogin.html?channel=CM&amp;camp=Facebook" rel="nofollow">http://modazzle.com/cms/userLogin.html?channel=CM&amp;camp=Facebook</a></p>
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		<title>By: Is journalism news or is it community? Is the NYT competing with Facebook?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365187</link>
		<dc:creator>Is journalism news or is it community? Is the NYT competing with Facebook?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are two related&#8212;but different&#8212;questions. Jeff Jarvis today ponders the role of the news media in communities: But I argued that the real question is, what is the role [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365182</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about everyone else, but I&#039;ve grown to hate Facebook.  Beacon controversy aside, the profusion of tacky third-party apps has turned the site into a mess, and most of my so-called friends have become unpaid pains-in-the-butt.  No,  I don&#039;t want to send Mary a crantini or put a present under Marc&#039;s tree.  Uurgh.  Deleted my account, and now I feel freeeeeee.... =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about everyone else, but I&#8217;ve grown to hate Facebook.  Beacon controversy aside, the profusion of tacky third-party apps has turned the site into a mess, and most of my so-called friends have become unpaid pains-in-the-butt.  No,  I don&#8217;t want to send Mary a crantini or put a present under Marc&#8217;s tree.  Uurgh.  Deleted my account, and now I feel freeeeeee&#8230;. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Specht</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365176</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Specht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Des Moines Register also has a Product/Fan Page.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365175</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post, at the least, a newspaper should have a Fan Page on Facebook, by now.  Some (NYT, RoanokeTimes) do, more to follow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, at the least, a newspaper should have a Fan Page on Facebook, by now.  Some (NYT, RoanokeTimes) do, more to follow?</p>
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		<title>By: Newspapers Should Build Facebook Apps &#171; Screenwerk</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365169</link>
		<dc:creator>Newspapers Should Build Facebook Apps &#171; Screenwerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Should Build Facebook&#160;Apps  So says Jeff Jarvis, but not &#8220;frivolous&#8221; ones. He says get &#8220;news that matters&#8221; (perhaps with a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gruscheln als Alternative zum Nachrichtenkonsum? at viralmythen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365168</link>
		<dc:creator>Gruscheln als Alternative zum Nachrichtenkonsum? at viralmythen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis ist da etwas zur&#252;ckhaltender und sieht Facebook nicht als Konkurrenz f&#252;r Tageszeitungen, sondern vielmehr als [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Boriss</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365167</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Boriss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I think that French historian Alexis de Tocqueville got this right about 200 years ago in his book &lt;i&gt;Democracy in America&lt;/i&gt;.  He said that newspapers make associations (i.e. communities of the like-minded), and associations make newspapers.  That&#039;s what we lost with mass media offering us fewer and fewer choices of communities since then.  That&#039;s what we are getting back with the Internet. (Steve Boriss, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefutureofnews.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Future of News&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I think that French historian Alexis de Tocqueville got this right about 200 years ago in his book <i>Democracy in America</i>.  He said that newspapers make associations (i.e. communities of the like-minded), and associations make newspapers.  That&#8217;s what we lost with mass media offering us fewer and fewer choices of communities since then.  That&#8217;s what we are getting back with the Internet. (Steve Boriss, <a href="http://www.thefutureofnews.com" rel="nofollow">The Future of News</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Clancy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365150</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Clancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s a huge potential for newspapers to leverage the Facebook to build communities. Besides the &quot;share&quot; feature that has been integrated on a ton of sites, I think newspapers should look at ways to integrate their content into Facebook apps. I believe there may be some technical limits on what Facebook allows you to do right now, but wouldn&#039;t it be great to opt-in to receive local newspaper alerts in your &quot;News Feed&quot;. For newspapers that don&#039;t already have comments, they could probably fairly easily build a &quot;wall&quot; for every story. Suffice to say there is a lot of potential for newspaper Facebook apps than news quizzes and political compasses. I hope someone will take the time to build these innovations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a huge potential for newspapers to leverage the Facebook to build communities. Besides the &#8220;share&#8221; feature that has been integrated on a ton of sites, I think newspapers should look at ways to integrate their content into Facebook apps. I believe there may be some technical limits on what Facebook allows you to do right now, but wouldn&#8217;t it be great to opt-in to receive local newspaper alerts in your &#8220;News Feed&#8221;. For newspapers that don&#8217;t already have comments, they could probably fairly easily build a &#8220;wall&#8221; for every story. Suffice to say there is a lot of potential for newspaper Facebook apps than news quizzes and political compasses. I hope someone will take the time to build these innovations.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tyndall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365148</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Tyndall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...is it merely to inform or is it also to organize...a social service that helps local sports players organize...to help its community organize itself...social applications...how to help the community where it is, doing what it does...ways to tie you with other people who share your interest...&quot;

Jarvis, get a hold of yourself. These are delusions of grandeur, civic journalism turned megalomaniacal.

Isn&#039;t providing &lt;i&gt;news&lt;/i&gt; difficult enough for journalists to do? Now you suggest that journalists also take on community organizing too?

Surely the advantage of the networks that the Internet offers is that it allows each of us to specialize in what we do best, secure in the knowledge that there are political organizers and dating services and youth clubs and community outreach and sports leagues and organized religion and tax-funded municipalities trying to do all that other stuff.

Journalists should be reporting on how well all those institutions perform their tasks and the innovations and controversies that arise from those efforts -- not trying to muscle in and take over their worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;is it merely to inform or is it also to organize&#8230;a social service that helps local sports players organize&#8230;to help its community organize itself&#8230;social applications&#8230;how to help the community where it is, doing what it does&#8230;ways to tie you with other people who share your interest&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Jarvis, get a hold of yourself. These are delusions of grandeur, civic journalism turned megalomaniacal.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t providing <i>news</i> difficult enough for journalists to do? Now you suggest that journalists also take on community organizing too?</p>
<p>Surely the advantage of the networks that the Internet offers is that it allows each of us to specialize in what we do best, secure in the knowledge that there are political organizers and dating services and youth clubs and community outreach and sports leagues and organized religion and tax-funded municipalities trying to do all that other stuff.</p>
<p>Journalists should be reporting on how well all those institutions perform their tasks and the innovations and controversies that arise from those efforts &#8212; not trying to muscle in and take over their worlds.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Kerr</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365147</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newspapers are commercial enterprises and if they don&#039;t make money they close.

Sometimes this happens even with community support because of bad management, rising costs, economic downturns.

This means that a lot of very good newspaper journalists are unemployed or underemployed.

They may not want to go to Facebook but is it possible for journalists who write to get an income and not just for fun  (full-time or freelance) to get a regular income online?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newspapers are commercial enterprises and if they don&#8217;t make money they close.</p>
<p>Sometimes this happens even with community support because of bad management, rising costs, economic downturns.</p>
<p>This means that a lot of very good newspaper journalists are unemployed or underemployed.</p>
<p>They may not want to go to Facebook but is it possible for journalists who write to get an income and not just for fun  (full-time or freelance) to get a regular income online?</p>
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		<title>By: Various Things from the Past Few Weeks &#171; A Fuller View</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365146</link>
		<dc:creator>Various Things from the Past Few Weeks &#171; A Fuller View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Greg Sterling has a summary from GYM, Ask and AOL&#8230; Also on GS a guest piece from UK based We Love Local guy. The power or power searchers at JB&#8217;s searchblog. Facebook v. Newspapers. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: everybuddy.org &#187; Jarvis on NPR: WSJ,Facebook,</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/12/13/newspapers-v-facebook/#comment-365144</link>
		<dc:creator>everybuddy.org &#187; Jarvis on NPR: WSJ,Facebook,</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] was nice little surprise to hear Jeff Jarvis on NPR during my morning commute. Jeff was being asked about WSJ and commented how becoming more [...]</description>
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