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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: info@odote.com</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-369330</link>
		<dc:creator>info@odote.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3rd party apps linked into Facebook through the iframe option are now running very slow.</description>
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		<title>By: Elvira Jones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scoble Scrapes Friends&#8217; Trust</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-369230</link>
		<dc:creator>Elvira Jones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scoble Scrapes Friends&#8217; Trust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hurley King &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scoble Scrapes Friends' Trust</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-367395</link>
		<dc:creator>Hurley King &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scoble Scrapes Friends' Trust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Claud Rodriguez &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scoble Scrapes Friends' Trust</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-367393</link>
		<dc:creator>Claud Rodriguez &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scoble Scrapes Friends' Trust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bridget Lee &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scoble Scrapes Friends&#8217; Trust</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-367344</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget Lee &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Scoble Scrapes Friends&#8217; Trust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: localHero</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-367048</link>
		<dc:creator>localHero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jersey Exile is right FB are the ultimate walled garden. 

I agree with Jeff re the effectiveness of Facebooks just do it/fix it approach. But despite their success I doubt they are (and hope they are not) the are the way of the future (unless they change their approach). 

They try to keep everything on their platform and hopefully the combined expertise of the rest of us will be able to create something more compelling. I believe the future will be separate, loosely coupled, linked web apps. I am working on one and trying to make it as open as I can:

http://localhero.biz/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jersey Exile is right FB are the ultimate walled garden. </p>
<p>I agree with Jeff re the effectiveness of Facebooks just do it/fix it approach. But despite their success I doubt they are (and hope they are not) the are the way of the future (unless they change their approach). </p>
<p>They try to keep everything on their platform and hopefully the combined expertise of the rest of us will be able to create something more compelling. I believe the future will be separate, loosely coupled, linked web apps. I am working on one and trying to make it as open as I can:</p>
<p><a href="http://localhero.biz/" rel="nofollow">http://localhero.biz/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Matthews</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366495</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mostly agree with what you're saying Jeff, but also think that Josh Klein has an improtant point - Facebook isn't redefining how to make a mistake, but merely how to recognise, react and respond when a mistake is made.

Communicating why the mistakes were made, how they are going to fix them, and, as you said, responding quickly to those mistakes, is as important as learning from those mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly agree with what you&#8217;re saying Jeff, but also think that Josh Klein has an improtant point - Facebook isn&#8217;t redefining how to make a mistake, but merely how to recognise, react and respond when a mistake is made.</p>
<p>Communicating why the mistakes were made, how they are going to fix them, and, as you said, responding quickly to those mistakes, is as important as learning from those mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Social Shopping &#171; Dorai&#8217;s LearnLog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366479</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Shopping &#171; Dorai&#8217;s LearnLog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] facebook, facebook apps, recommendations, social shopping, social software  This is a fragment from In defense of Facebook Thatâ€™s what Facebookâ€™s ad strategy will work to deliver: social shopping. And I want that. Just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: In Defense of Making (Smart) Mistakes &#171; Public Relations Rogue</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366413</link>
		<dc:creator>In Defense of Making (Smart) Mistakes &#171; Public Relations Rogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6, 2008 in Corporations, Social networks, Strategy, Web 2.0   Read an interesting post by social media guru Jeff Jarvis in which he makes a valid claim that folks are piling on Facebook [...]</description>
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		<title>By: George Lenker</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366397</link>
		<dc:creator>George Lenker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff: 

It seems like Facebook (and I'm fan  as well) is simply being guided by a maxim employed for ages by savvy teenagers, maverick military men and a fair number of intrepid reporters. Called by some "Stuart's Law of Retroaction," this principle states: 

"It is easier to ask forgiveness than to get permission." (Also stated, maybe a bit more succinctly--and accurately?-- as "It is easier to GET forgiveness than permission."

Cheers,
George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff: </p>
<p>It seems like Facebook (and I&#8217;m fan  as well) is simply being guided by a maxim employed for ages by savvy teenagers, maverick military men and a fair number of intrepid reporters. Called by some &#8220;Stuart&#8217;s Law of Retroaction,&#8221; this principle states: </p>
<p>&#8220;It is easier to ask forgiveness than to get permission.&#8221; (Also stated, maybe a bit more succinctly&#8211;and accurately?&#8211; as &#8220;It is easier to GET forgiveness than permission.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
George</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey Exile</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366382</link>
		<dc:creator>Jersey Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

Yes, it was a violation of Facebook's uber-restrictive ToS, and Plaxo isn't exactly Mother Teresa, but doesn't it disturb you that Facebook only wants its "openness" to flow in one direction (i.e., into Facebook)?  FB will bend over backwards to help me scrape out all of my contact information from my Gmail, Yahoo, AOL, and countless other accounts, but they get mighty unhelpful when you want to get all of that social networky goodness back out again from theirs.

Facebook reminds me of the old Sands casino in Atlantic City - they had this moving walkway that whisked you away from the Boardwalk and onto their gaming floor, but as many a hapless tourist learned the hard way, it was a one-way trip (God, I hated that place!)...

I might also remind you that what you refer to as "your" data is actually what you've already chosen to share on your FB profile.  What exactly is the difference between running a script like Plaxo does and keying all of those email addresses into a contact manager by hand?  I get your email address either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>Yes, it was a violation of Facebook&#8217;s uber-restrictive ToS, and Plaxo isn&#8217;t exactly Mother Teresa, but doesn&#8217;t it disturb you that Facebook only wants its &#8220;openness&#8221; to flow in one direction (i.e., into Facebook)?  FB will bend over backwards to help me scrape out all of my contact information from my Gmail, Yahoo, AOL, and countless other accounts, but they get mighty unhelpful when you want to get all of that social networky goodness back out again from theirs.</p>
<p>Facebook reminds me of the old Sands casino in Atlantic City - they had this moving walkway that whisked you away from the Boardwalk and onto their gaming floor, but as many a hapless tourist learned the hard way, it was a one-way trip (God, I hated that place!)&#8230;</p>
<p>I might also remind you that what you refer to as &#8220;your&#8221; data is actually what you&#8217;ve already chosen to share on your FB profile.  What exactly is the difference between running a script like Plaxo does and keying all of those email addresses into a contact manager by hand?  I get your email address either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366380</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's what he did with it, Jersey. He went around the rules that do exist at FB-- and upon which many decide to join -- and handed my data without my permission -- and without apology yet -- to the dreaded and much-hated Plaxo. that's different from sending me a Christmas card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s what he did with it, Jersey. He went around the rules that do exist at FB&#8211; and upon which many decide to join &#8212; and handed my data without my permission &#8212; and without apology yet &#8212; to the dreaded and much-hated Plaxo. that&#8217;s different from sending me a Christmas card.</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey Exile</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jersey Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't understand you, Jeff - you endlessly slag on AOL and other Web 1.0 wannabe portals for being "walled gardens", but when Scoble gets banned (albeit temporarily) for daring to scrape his own contact data out of his Facebook account you give FB two enthusiastic thumbs up.  Facebook is looking more and more like a Web 2.0 version of AOL.  Resisting Data Portability is pretty much the polar opposite of everything you claim to be in favor of when it comes to social networking, so why does the almighty Facebook get a pass in this regard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand you, Jeff - you endlessly slag on AOL and other Web 1.0 wannabe portals for being &#8220;walled gardens&#8221;, but when Scoble gets banned (albeit temporarily) for daring to scrape his own contact data out of his Facebook account you give FB two enthusiastic thumbs up.  Facebook is looking more and more like a Web 2.0 version of AOL.  Resisting Data Portability is pretty much the polar opposite of everything you claim to be in favor of when it comes to social networking, so why does the almighty Facebook get a pass in this regard?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366339</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and fix them quickly, they did.</description>
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		<title>By: Sandra Azzollini</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366334</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Azzollini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Jeff.  In order to be innovative, companies need the freedom to make some mistakes, but they must also be responsible to fix them quickly.</description>
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		<title>By: Josh Klein</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366326</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my eyes, it's not how you mess up, but how you fix it. 

It's tough to reach people, and companies spend a lot of money trying to reach us. When they screw up, we all want to hear what they have to say. More often than not, Facebook has gone on to say the right thing (to their benefit).

It's not a very coherent strategy, but it seems to be working :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my eyes, it&#8217;s not how you mess up, but how you fix it. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough to reach people, and companies spend a lot of money trying to reach us. When they screw up, we all want to hear what they have to say. More often than not, Facebook has gone on to say the right thing (to their benefit).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a very coherent strategy, but it seems to be working <img src='http://www.buzzmachine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Altman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366325</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Altman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy Facebook.  It really has a way of growing on you.

It will be interesting   to see what happens when/if companies embrace Google's OpenSocial - and if a collective group will penetrate Facebook's armor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy Facebook.  It really has a way of growing on you.</p>
<p>It will be interesting   to see what happens when/if companies embrace Google&#8217;s OpenSocial - and if a collective group will penetrate Facebook&#8217;s armor.</p>
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		<title>By: Faceweek, Facebook and social networking blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jeff Jarvis on Defending Facebook</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366293</link>
		<dc:creator>Faceweek, Facebook and social networking blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jeff Jarvis on Defending Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/Â  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/" rel="nofollow">http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/</a>Â  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AnnB</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366284</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems like the latest Facebook advertising screw-up

http://www.praized.com/blog/social-networks/i-am-now-a-blockbuster-spokesperson/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems like the latest Facebook advertising screw-up</p>
<p><a href="http://www.praized.com/blog/social-networks/i-am-now-a-blockbuster-spokesperson/" rel="nofollow">http://www.praized.com/blog/social-networks/i-am-now-a-blockbuster-spokesperson/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Faceweek.com</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/03/in-defense-of-facebook/#comment-366279</link>
		<dc:creator>Faceweek.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do somewhat agree, I think it is important for people to understand that Facebook is a new company and yes it made a mistake and things need to be corrected, but it doesn't mean the entire company is horrible. There's still something unique brewing up here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do somewhat agree, I think it is important for people to understand that Facebook is a new company and yes it made a mistake and things need to be corrected, but it doesn&#8217;t mean the entire company is horrible. There&#8217;s still something unique brewing up here.</p>
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