Hmm, did you stand up for us old Europeans, too, when Cheney ranted about us being irrelvant? I can’t find in your Archives (seems like they don’t go back long enough. Hmm, when was the buzzmachine started?)

Generally, me thinks many of you Americans are surprisingly thin skinned, considering they don’t care when they arrogantly put other nations down. But if someone dares to criticize the US, not matter how factually correct and rightly, boohoohoo! Call the Wahahaaambulance! Discrimination!
:-/

As for the hypothetical of spying on a company that dumps toxic waste, well the company didn’t invite you there off the record to watch them dump toxic waste so that is not really a valid arguement or comparison.

Geez, this isn’t that tough.

As for the hypothetical of spying on a company that dumps toxic waste, well the company didn’t invite you there off the record to watch them dump toxic waste so that is not really a valid arguement or comparison.

Geez, guys this isn’t that tough.

I think the story here is the question of the fate of off-the-record and that’s the discussion I was hoping to bring out and succeeded.

The moment itself was pretty much just silliness, not of great import. At worst, it was boggling. At best, amusing So, yes, I made that judgment. And because it was OTR, you are forced to trust me with that judgment or not.

I’m sure you have made that judgment many times as well. Even at a personal level of family members or neighbors telling us things, we as journalists and brothers and neighbors decide not to violate a confidence or we decide we should. Nothing terribly new and earthshattering there. Beat reporters deal with this all the time. They sure as hell do it when they use anonymous sources.

What interests me about this is not the odd performance but the nature of OTR in a world of instant communication and networks.

By the way, long ago in my career, when I interviewed with you at the Times, you ended it telling me that I should not tell my friends that I had the opportunity to talk with you. I violated that confidence.I confess.

Mr. Jarvis considered the consequences and decided not to write his story. He says it was the honorable thing to do. This needs a larger discussion.
Did Jarvis base his decision by examining the weight of the story and concluding it wasn’t important enough to break the Davos event’s off-the-record rule? Then perhaps he shouldn’t have teased his readers with the revelation that the story was about an “anti-American meltdown” by “a government official” who was apparently not from the United States. He invites us to applaud his nobility by telling us he stood up as an aggrieved American and berated the speaker — but he clearly wants someone else to write the story. I’ve been in such predicaments and my experiences tell me that you can’t have it both ways. You have to decide on which side honor lies — for you.

Question: What does Mr. Jarvis advise his jourmalism students to do in such situations? .

Another Question: Could I be wrong in thinking his description of the incident carries hints of an apology for his decision not to write the story?

Syd Schanberg

I wonder if you should technically even post what you did if you were at an off-the-record event. OTR to me means what’s said in the room stays in the room, not if you want to talk about something in the room, don’t attach a name to it. If you don’t want to particpate don’t, but if you do, respect what I’m guessing was intended by your friends at WEF.

- Off-the-record at Davos is a farce. Powerful people affect the world, but don’t want to tie to themselves the responsibility and stand up for their actions and deals. It also furthers the notion that the well heeled can affect the madding crowd’s lives without having to mix with them. It also reveals the irony at the heart of power: people who shape public policy are misanthropes. Sweet!

- Jeff does not have it both ways by bringing up the issue without revealing the nature. To not write about the absurdity is to perpetuate its lifespan.

- Stuffy theorizing aside, I am dying to know what on earth was the nature of the rant!

But this kind of half-and-half stuff is really disingenuous and self-serving. If you claim to be someone demanding transparency, calling for a more public life, saying that it’s time for gatekeepers to let the citizens have their say, then do it and be it.

How about transparency at Davos? Or do the world’s rich and powerful get a free pass on that?

Cooler Heads - Davos is not glittery - just check into the piano bar at the Hotel Europe and have your illusions shattered.

No matter what journalism schools and textbooks say, there is no hard and fast rule here other than “you must keep your word at all costs.”

The “off the record” rule I use is to tell sources that I will never disclose their name or affiliation, but that I don’t want information where the mention of the information itself blows their cover.

The other rule I try to stick to is the one Jeff talks about here. In my opinion, off the record doesn’t apply to debates in front of rooms full of people. Philosophically it’s oxymoronic. And practically it’s a disaster. If somebody says something newsworthy, attendees always talk. That means a journalist who didn’t attend can report that which you witnessed and cannot report.

But information is currency, and at Davos the rules of engagement are clear. So journalists are left choosing whether they want half a loaf - OTR with an audience - or no loaf at all.

I know what I would have done. I learn as much watching body language, seeing who is in the audience, and what isn’t said at these things as I do from the actual debate itself. So I would have accepted the restrictions, gone to the panel and put myself in exactly the same position Jeff is in now.

Without revealing what this was about, what do you include as “anti-American”? Is it ok to raise an issue about George Bush? sometimes this seems easier for US citizens than in the UK. The Official Secrets Act appears to prevent UK reporting of recent court cases and al Jazeera in the same story though this is ok in the USA.

So is there some range of comment that you would not want to challenge? Sometimes this term “ani0-American” seems a bit sweeping.

I know many journalists who make it a policy not to participate in off the record sessions for these very reasons.

Possibly. I think it can go one of two ways. Living our lives in public might persuade people to be more careful, more polite, more considerate…just nicer because everything we do and say will be On The Record. Alternatively, the constant evidence of how deplorably people behave in public might persuade everyone that the bar for acceptable behaviour is really that low and let everyone off the hook. To take for a moment the pessimistic view, reality TV and Hello Magazine seem to indicate that people don’t especially improve their behaviour because they’re on camera. We take our cues as to what’s acceptable or normal behaviour from the people around us. I’m not sure a society with everything On The Record is going to be a better place to live.

You can’t have it both ways. Either report what you know, or don’t.

And you buy into it. Jeff, I expected better from you. But now you’re just like them–protecting your pass into the glittery world of Davos by keeping the secret and enjoying your better-than-the-rest-of-us sense of self.

And you call yourself a journalist. You should be ashamed.

For example when a whistleblower is trying to influence the media into digging into a story which is not being reported. Keeping the source confidential aids in uncovering the rest of the story.

The background meetings held by government officials are the other side of the coin. They want to influence coverage (or forestall lines of investigation) by making reporters feel special or privileged or by hampering their investigation which would require using information obtained “on background”.

If the press, which has no special security clearance, can be told things, then why shouldn’t the public at large hear it as well?

Why do reporters allow themselves to become pawns in partisan political maneuvering anyway?

Did Novak spill the beans on Valerie Plame because he wanted to show of his insider connections? Or because he was doing the bidding of friends of his within the administration? Perhaps he doesn’t quite know his motivation himself.