Comments on: The internet is the social network http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/ by Jeff Jarvis Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:33:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Leslie K http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-373348 Leslie K Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:47:12 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-373348 Yes, the internet is a social network filled with synchronous and asunchronous communication. Some social networks focus on personal lives, music and media exchange, while others focus on a main theme or content. While this article focuses on businesses making or not making a profit on social networks, I believe more designers and businesses should focus on education as the main priority when creating new social networks. While the dollar is what motivates everyone, even on the internet, as an educator I tend to think creating communication tools such as social networks intergrated with k-12 curriculum is a better reason to spend time designing better technologies. Yes, the internet is a social network filled with synchronous and asunchronous communication. Some social networks focus on personal lives, music and media exchange, while others focus on a main theme or content. While this article focuses on businesses making or not making a profit on social networks, I believe more designers and businesses should focus on education as the main priority when creating new social networks. While the dollar is what motivates everyone, even on the internet, as an educator I tend to think creating communication tools such as social networks intergrated with k-12 curriculum is a better reason to spend time designing better technologies.

]]> By: Technology Babe » Teleworkers Feel Safe, Threaten Network Security http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368582 Technology Babe » Teleworkers Feel Safe, Threaten Network Security Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:02:11 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368582 [...] Theinternetis the social network [...] [...] Theinternetis the social network [...]

]]> By: Technology In Life » InternetTerrorism is Real?? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368580 Technology In Life » InternetTerrorism is Real?? Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:57:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368580 [...] Theinternetis the social network [...] [...] Theinternetis the social network [...]

]]> By: Betting On Tech » Why Any Online Presence IS A Business! http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368579 Betting On Tech » Why Any Online Presence IS A Business! Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:53:04 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368579 [...] Theinternetis the social network [...] [...] Theinternetis the social network [...]

]]> By: Tom Witkin http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368569 Tom Witkin Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:59:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368569 Great post and education for me. But, as I sit in the world of enterprise collaboration, I have to wonder about the implications for the Internet as the Social Network in an environment -- both intranet and extranet -- where most people are defined in a singular way (their profile inside one software app) and relationships exist primarily between those people as they are characterized by that software. Great post and education for me. But, as I sit in the world of enterprise collaboration, I have to wonder about the implications for the Internet as the Social Network in an environment — both intranet and extranet — where most people are defined in a singular way (their profile inside one software app) and relationships exist primarily between those people as they are characterized by that software.

]]> By: Goodness Gracious, Great Blogs of Fire! » The Buzz Bin http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368494 Goodness Gracious, Great Blogs of Fire! » The Buzz Bin Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:44:50 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368494 [...] The internet is a social graph, says Jeff Jarvis at the Buzz Machine. According to Jeff, the internet itself is a social network, holding our identities, reputations, relationships, interests, information and lives. [...] [...] The internet is a social graph, says Jeff Jarvis at the Buzz Machine. According to Jeff, the internet itself is a social network, holding our identities, reputations, relationships, interests, information and lives. [...]

]]> By: links for 2008-02-05 « Technobabble 2.0 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368485 links for 2008-02-05 « Technobabble 2.0 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:21:10 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368485 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The internet is the social network Jeff Jarvis - continues his thinking from social media roundtable about the importance of networks within the Internet. Great analysis on social graph (tags: socialnetworking socialgraph) [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The internet is the social network Jeff Jarvis - continues his thinking from social media roundtable about the importance of networks within the Internet. Great analysis on social graph (tags: socialnetworking socialgraph) [...]

]]> By: links for 2008-02-04 | Ed Tech Hacks http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368456 links for 2008-02-04 | Ed Tech Hacks Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:37:24 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368456 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The internet is the social network The internet doesn’t need more social networks. The internet is the social network. We have our identities, interests, reputations, relationships, information, and lives here, and we’re adding more every day. (tags: social_networking) [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The internet is the social network The internet doesn’t need more social networks. The internet is the social network. We have our identities, interests, reputations, relationships, information, and lives here, and we’re adding more every day. (tags: social_networking) [...]

]]> By: Facebook is the Most Accurate Social Graph - The Unofficial Facebook Blog http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368395 Facebook is the Most Accurate Social Graph - The Unofficial Facebook Blog Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:30:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368395 [...] new API brings us one step closer to “the Internet Operating System.” Others such as Jeff Jarvis, Dare Obasanjo and myself believe that this is good in theory but not very practical. Some could [...] [...] new API brings us one step closer to “the Internet Operating System.” Others such as Jeff Jarvis, Dare Obasanjo and myself believe that this is good in theory but not very practical. Some could [...]

]]> By: links for 2008-02-04 | Stephan Miller http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368386 links for 2008-02-04 | Stephan Miller Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:23:50 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368386 [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The internet is the social network This is what that Link Relationship(XFN) section is all about when you add a link to your blogroll in Wordpress. I know. i ignored it also. (tags: socialgraph social-graph xfn linkrelationship google) [...] [...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The internet is the social network This is what that Link Relationship(XFN) section is all about when you add a link to your blogroll in Wordpress. I know. i ignored it also. (tags: socialgraph social-graph xfn linkrelationship google) [...]

]]> By: links for 2008-02-04 « David Black http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368362 links for 2008-02-04 « David Black Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:21:07 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368362 [...] The internet is the social network - BuzzMachine “I believe the killer social graph app will be the one that sniffs and understands our relationships without our having to take explicit action or by exploiting the actions we take for different reasons.” (tags: internet socialmedia socialnetworking webservices api semanticweb foaf google) [...] [...] The internet is the social network - BuzzMachine “I believe the killer social graph app will be the one that sniffs and understands our relationships without our having to take explicit action or by exploiting the actions we take for different reasons.” (tags: internet socialmedia socialnetworking webservices api semanticweb foaf google) [...]

]]> By: Realizing the Social Graph (and world peace) : The Messaging Times http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368325 Realizing the Social Graph (and world peace) : The Messaging Times Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:08:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368325 [...] hate to be the one who throws cold water over the warm and fuzzy dreams that some, like Jeff Jarvis, have about structuring online relationships. I regularly have lofty dreams too. One recurring [...] [...] hate to be the one who throws cold water over the warm and fuzzy dreams that some, like Jeff Jarvis, have about structuring online relationships. I regularly have lofty dreams too. One recurring [...]

]]> By: Plaxo maakt als eerste gebruik van Google’s openSocial API | MartinKloos.nl http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368324 Plaxo maakt als eerste gebruik van Google’s openSocial API | MartinKloos.nl Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:59:23 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368324 [...] van metadata en dat is iets wat vaak handmatig moet worden toegevoegd aan URL’s. Of zoals Jeff Jarvis het zegt: dat zou wel eens hét grootste struikelblok kunnen zijn voor een volledig semantisch, [...] [...] van metadata en dat is iets wat vaak handmatig moet worden toegevoegd aan URL’s. Of zoals Jeff Jarvis het zegt: dat zou wel eens hét grootste struikelblok kunnen zijn voor een volledig semantisch, [...]

]]> By: william http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368313 william Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:07:23 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368313 .If Microsoft would have done this we would up in arms…. Google does not control the relationships or the api……Just like they dont control any of the content that they spider that does not belong to them…..and turn this content that they dont own into billons of dollars for Google and very little for the original creators of the content….If goog is so good….why don’t they open source the entire project and create a non profit to run “Open” Social….They will not do this because they want to corner the market on the indexing of relationships that should be owned and controlled by the end users and not Google…Will Google ask me for permission to crawl my relationships ? Can I delete my relationships from the Google servers…The data is on Google’s servers….and they are a company…so they do own the data… I can believe that you are saying it is not a walled garden…..It certainly is….Once the our friendship data is on the google server we can only reach it from an api that Google controls…That is a walled garden….How is this better than facebook ? Did Google contact any of the other companies that have social networks to ask them for their input ? No…. Will there be a standards committee that allows end users and companies other than Google to have some input into “Open” Social..Dont hold your breath….its not going to happen… Any initiative to deal with a “Social” Graph should not be run by anyone company…Google is a company and we should stop fooling ourselves that they are in business for the public “Good”. Google is in Business to make money and this means that by their nature they will try to dominate with little to no regard to any notion of an open standard that would even the playing field for their competitors. .If Microsoft would have done this we would up in arms….
Google does not control the relationships or the api……Just like they dont control any of the content that they spider that does not belong to them…..and turn this content that they dont own into billons of dollars for Google and very little for the original creators of the content….If goog is so good….why don’t they open source the entire project and create a non profit to run “Open” Social….They will not do this because they want to corner the market on the indexing of relationships that should be owned and controlled by the end users and not Google…Will Google ask me for permission to crawl my relationships ?

Can I delete my relationships from the Google servers…The data is on Google’s servers….and they are a company…so they do own the data…

I can believe that you are saying it is not a walled garden…..It certainly is….Once the our friendship data is on the google server we can only reach it from an api that Google controls…That is a walled garden….How is this better than facebook ?

Did Google contact any of the other companies that have social networks to ask them for their input ?
No….

Will there be a standards committee that allows end users and companies other than Google to have some input into “Open” Social..Dont hold your breath….its not going to happen…

Any initiative to deal with a “Social” Graph should not be run by anyone company…Google is a company and we should stop fooling ourselves that they are in business for the public “Good”.
Google is in Business to make money and this means that by their nature they will try to dominate with little to no regard to any notion of an open standard that would even the playing field for their competitors.

]]> By: ottergroup.com » Blog Archive » Google’s Social Graph API http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368293 ottergroup.com » Blog Archive » Google’s Social Graph API Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:17:01 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368293 [...] Jeff Jarvis sees it as an a means to organize the public web into its own social network: The internet doesn’t need more social networks. The internet is the social network. We have our identities, interests, reputations, relationships, information, and lives here, and we’re adding more every day. The network enabler that manages to help us tie these together to find not just connections or email addresses or information or songs but people — friends, colleagues, teachers, students, partners, lovers — across this open world, that will be the owner of the biggest network of them all: The Google of people. [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis sees it as an a means to organize the public web into its own social network: The internet doesn’t need more social networks. The internet is the social network. We have our identities, interests, reputations, relationships, information, and lives here, and we’re adding more every day. The network enabler that manages to help us tie these together to find not just connections or email addresses or information or songs but people — friends, colleagues, teachers, students, partners, lovers — across this open world, that will be the owner of the biggest network of them all: The Google of people. [...]

]]> By: Why I’m excited about the Google Social Graph API - Bokardo http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368292 Why I’m excited about the Google Social Graph API - Bokardo Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:43:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368292 [...] Jeff Jarvis says: “The internet is the social network“. Walled gardens are not. Facebook is a great [...] [...] Jeff Jarvis says: “The internet is the social network“. Walled gardens are not. Facebook is a great [...]

]]> By: Gray http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368291 Gray Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:29:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368291 Computerman, there's a lot you can do, but this isn't the right blog here for answering all those questions. Better google for websites deliberately covering privacy/spam/spyware/malware issues, pls! Computerman, there’s a lot you can do, but this isn’t the right blog here for answering all those questions. Better google for websites deliberately covering privacy/spam/spyware/malware issues, pls!

]]> By: Gray http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368290 Gray Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:27:23 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368290 Btw, this might be interesting for other readers here, too: "Fish" did find the plagiarism by using http://www.copyscape.com. Works great! Insert http://www.buzzmachine.com at the prompt there, for instance, and you'll find other sites, where the stories are mirrored (legitimate, I guess). Btw, this might be interesting for other readers here, too: “Fish” did find the plagiarism by using http://www.copyscape.com. Works great! Insert http://www.buzzmachine.com at the prompt there, for instance, and you’ll find other sites, where the stories are mirrored (legitimate, I guess).

]]> By: computerman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368289 computerman Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:20:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368289 some time in the future when ever i have my own website how do i stop other people from stealing and copying and taking pictures and videos and audio and posts from the website and posting it on other websites ? #2: how do i erase my email how do i destroy my email so i dont delete it on to the internet ? #3: how do i stop the computer from stealing information and sending it out all over the internet ? how can i stop people from stealing and using pictures video and information from my website ? can i stop people from copying and stealing and using my pictures and my posts and my information from my pages ? some time in the future when ever i have my own website how do i stop other people from stealing and copying and taking pictures and videos and audio and posts from the website and posting it on other websites ?
#2: how do i erase my email how do i destroy my email so i dont delete it on to the internet ?
#3: how do i stop the computer from stealing information and sending it out all over the internet ? how can i stop people from stealing and using pictures video and information from my website ? can i stop people from copying and stealing and using my pictures and my posts and my information from my pages ?

]]> By: Gray http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368288 Gray Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:17:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368288 Hmm, OT again, but I'm only answering to computerman: Plagiarism has happened to other boggers, too, and is not really a new development. I remember a prominent case of content stolen from the somewhat popular blog "This fish needs a bicycle" in 2004. http://thisfish.com/Archives/000767.html Check this archive, especially the comments. The plagiariser build her whole blog on stolen content! Hmm, OT again, but I’m only answering to computerman:

Plagiarism has happened to other boggers, too, and is not really a new development. I remember a prominent case of content stolen from the somewhat popular blog “This fish needs a bicycle” in 2004.
http://thisfish.com/Archives/000767.html
Check this archive, especially the comments. The plagiariser build her whole blog on stolen content!

]]> By: Gray http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368287 Gray Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:09:13 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368287 OT, sry: Jeff, have you seen this article on the decline of the newspaper corps (via Atrios)? http://roguecolumnist.typepad.com/rogue_columnist/2008/01/whats-really-wr.html The author raises some points you made repeatedly, too, especially the call for decentralized, local online"papers". Well worth a read, imho. OT, sry:

Jeff, have you seen this article on the decline of the newspaper corps (via Atrios)?
http://roguecolumnist.typepad.com/rogue_columnist/2008/01/whats-really-wr.html

The author raises some points you made repeatedly, too, especially the call for decentralized, local online”papers”. Well worth a read, imho.

]]> By: computerman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368286 computerman Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:02:49 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368286 from: computerman: sunday febuary 3rd 2008 7:57 am: computerman_1@hotmail.com why dont people use their real name and real information on the computer ? how do i stop people from stealing my comments and posting my comments and my posts on to other websites behind my back ? from: computerman:
sunday febuary 3rd 2008 7:57 am:
computerman_1@hotmail.com

why dont people use their real name
and real information on the computer ?

how do i stop people from stealing my comments and posting my comments and my posts on to other websites behind my back ?

]]> By: Tom Nixon http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368279 Tom Nixon Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:20:57 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368279 Hi Jeff, thanks for linking to the video. Like Danny, I'm a bit confused though. From what I can see, the API isn't relying on average users to put in rel= links (which I agree just wouldn't happen), it just requires that the builders of web apps use these links in their dynamically generated pages, which as Danny points out is already happening. The new Google service just spiders the links and presents the data to developers in a way that's easy to build on. Are we missing something? Hi Jeff, thanks for linking to the video. Like Danny, I’m a bit confused though. From what I can see, the API isn’t relying on average users to put in rel= links (which I agree just wouldn’t happen), it just requires that the builders of web apps use these links in their dynamically generated pages, which as Danny points out is already happening. The new Google service just spiders the links and presents the data to developers in a way that’s easy to build on.
Are we missing something?

]]> By: Danny http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368273 Danny Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:59:06 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368273 You lost me a little in two direction here. For one, how does Google's provision of an index of some social networking data on the Web contradict "the internet is the social network"? The other point I can't follow is that while the internet may describe, enable and expose social networks, social networks are relationships between people - irrespective of the medium. re. "I believe the killer social graph app will be the one that sniffs and understands our relationships without our having to take explicit action or by exploiting the actions we take for different reasons." - I'll leave the killer app angle for another day, but if you want to see this kind of thing in practice, create a blogroll. WordPress includes microformat data in blogrolls automatically. If you check your HTML source you'll see XFN is already supported. You lost me a little in two direction here. For one, how does Google’s provision of an index of some social networking data on the Web contradict “the internet is the social network”?

The other point I can’t follow is that while the internet may describe, enable and expose social networks, social networks are relationships between people - irrespective of the medium.

re. “I believe the killer social graph app will be the one that sniffs and understands our relationships without our having to take explicit action or by exploiting the actions we take for different reasons.” - I’ll leave the killer app angle for another day, but if you want to see this kind of thing in practice, create a blogroll.

WordPress includes microformat data in blogrolls automatically. If you check your HTML source you’ll see XFN is already supported.

]]> By: One More Idea » Microsoft/Yahoo deal is all about Email http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368272 One More Idea » Microsoft/Yahoo deal is all about Email Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:57:02 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/02/the-internet-is-the-social-network/#comment-368272 [...] initiatives they undertake. That’s another reason why smart money will stay away from concept-of-the-week (read Google Social Graph API - I am keeping it next to Google Base API, Search API and Open Social [...] [...] initiatives they undertake. That’s another reason why smart money will stay away from concept-of-the-week (read Google Social Graph API - I am keeping it next to Google Base API, Search API and Open Social [...]

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