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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: they might be giants &#171; the stories of our lives</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-377526</link>
		<dc:creator>they might be giants &#171; the stories of our lives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] disputed, there is an obvious weakness in this kind of campaigning—and this kind of candidate—as Jeff Jarvis points out: It’s all rhetoric. To me, this only underscores the notion that Obama’s campaign is the most rhetorical of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: they might be giants &#171; the infotainment follies</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-377360</link>
		<dc:creator>they might be giants &#171; the infotainment follies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] disputed, there is an obvious weakness in this kind of campaigning—and this kind of candidate—as Jeff Jarvis points out: It’s all rhetoric. To me, this only underscores the notion that Obama’s campaign is the most rhetorical of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nice to be with you</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-376530</link>
		<dc:creator>nice to be with you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Beat. But can you lead to it???? You??re missing the whole point - we don??t WANT a leader. ...http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/eHarmony About You Advice - Want to be More Attractive? Be Nice!Want to be More Attractive? Be Nice! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Beat. But can you lead to it???? You??re missing the whole point - we don??t WANT a leader. &#8230;http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/eHarmony About You Advice - Want to be More Attractive? Be Nice!Want to be More Attractive? Be Nice! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mzoeomew</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368559</link>
		<dc:creator>mzoeomew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CoolerHead, It's not the method or the manner in the delivery.  It's the fact that these "celebrities" are turning this election and Obama's campaign of critical issues into a lame high school popularity contest.  It's actually insulting to me that will.i.am, et. al. thinks my age group is so easily influenced that we'll just follow the Piper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CoolerHead, It&#8217;s not the method or the manner in the delivery.  It&#8217;s the fact that these &#8220;celebrities&#8221; are turning this election and Obama&#8217;s campaign of critical issues into a lame high school popularity contest.  It&#8217;s actually insulting to me that will.i.am, et. al. thinks my age group is so easily influenced that we&#8217;ll just follow the Piper.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama video offers valuable lesson &#124; editor on the verge</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368492</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama video offers valuable lesson &#124; editor on the verge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have written posts about the will.i.am/Jesse Dylan produced Barack Obama music video. Bloggers from Jeff Jarvis to J.D. Lasica and Wendy Withers have posted the video and many cases written about it, mostly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have written posts about the will.i.am/Jesse Dylan produced Barack Obama music video. Bloggers from Jeff Jarvis to J.D. Lasica and Wendy Withers have posted the video and many cases written about it, mostly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368486</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Obama's plans are clearly described on his website.  I've read his, Clinton's and Edwards'.   Also McCain's and Romney's.   Policy papers shouldn't be your only measure, but from what I've read, all three candidates propose change in the form of tighter scrutiny of the way profit enticements are dangled or shoved in front of our representatives.  Once some control is achieved, all propose reasonable policies to provide relief to 99% of wage earning Americans by rebalancing power over basic support systems (health, education, transportation, etc.) so those who demand services are not treated unfairly by those who supply them.  In principal, Clinton, Obama and Edwards were very similar on policy.

You might parse the details.  But for me, what makes them different is philosphical.  Obama grace is not just rhetorical, he harnesses the force of the electorate.  (A real version of Bush' political capitol.)  Hillary wants you to know that she will use her network of friends to fight on our behalf. (That's less graceful, since they're not your friends.)  Once president, I think Obama will have many new friends, so his potential seems much greater. 

I don't like David Brooks much, but his Super Tuesday OpEd in the NYTimes isn't empty criticism.  Have a look.

Regarding someone's invocation of Carter's failure, Hess suggested that he failed because he placed "greater emphasis on methods, procedures and instruments for making policy than on the content of policy itself."  In comparison, Obama is not light on content, in fact, he has imaginative policy ideas, and seems to have a clear governmental philosophy.  Carter's administration was demoralized by his blandness.  Is Obama bland to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Obama&#8217;s plans are clearly described on his website.  I&#8217;ve read his, Clinton&#8217;s and Edwards&#8217;.   Also McCain&#8217;s and Romney&#8217;s.   Policy papers shouldn&#8217;t be your only measure, but from what I&#8217;ve read, all three candidates propose change in the form of tighter scrutiny of the way profit enticements are dangled or shoved in front of our representatives.  Once some control is achieved, all propose reasonable policies to provide relief to 99% of wage earning Americans by rebalancing power over basic support systems (health, education, transportation, etc.) so those who demand services are not treated unfairly by those who supply them.  In principal, Clinton, Obama and Edwards were very similar on policy.</p>
<p>You might parse the details.  But for me, what makes them different is philosphical.  Obama grace is not just rhetorical, he harnesses the force of the electorate.  (A real version of Bush&#8217; political capitol.)  Hillary wants you to know that she will use her network of friends to fight on our behalf. (That&#8217;s less graceful, since they&#8217;re not your friends.)  Once president, I think Obama will have many new friends, so his potential seems much greater. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like David Brooks much, but his Super Tuesday OpEd in the NYTimes isn&#8217;t empty criticism.  Have a look.</p>
<p>Regarding someone&#8217;s invocation of Carter&#8217;s failure, Hess suggested that he failed because he placed &#8220;greater emphasis on methods, procedures and instruments for making policy than on the content of policy itself.&#8221;  In comparison, Obama is not light on content, in fact, he has imaginative policy ideas, and seems to have a clear governmental philosophy.  Carter&#8217;s administration was demoralized by his blandness.  Is Obama bland to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom O'Leary</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368452</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the video by the way. I've forwarded it on - because I can. You can too!</description>
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		<title>By: kamershah</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368432</link>
		<dc:creator>kamershah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is pure sophistry for this much "critique" to be applied to a music video. It is simply time for the oppression of the baby boomers to end. If younger generations like a bit of music and beauty with their political messages, so be it.
If you are not moved and/or inspired by it,  who wants you? 
Will we dance on your graves? Yes we will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pure sophistry for this much &#8220;critique&#8221; to be applied to a music video. It is simply time for the oppression of the baby boomers to end. If younger generations like a bit of music and beauty with their political messages, so be it.<br />
If you are not moved and/or inspired by it,  who wants you?<br />
Will we dance on your graves? Yes we will.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom O'Leary</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368425</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose that our recent 8-year stint with an inarticulate and beat-less conductor who failed to lead us; we might be led to believe that a good conductor requires some rhythm, whether that rhythm comes in the form of a 3 beat or a 4 beat. Nothing gets a dead party moving better than throwing some beats on. It makes people start moving in a coordinated manner. I think that we'll see the results of that on Tuesday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose that our recent 8-year stint with an inarticulate and beat-less conductor who failed to lead us; we might be led to believe that a good conductor requires some rhythm, whether that rhythm comes in the form of a 3 beat or a 4 beat. Nothing gets a dead party moving better than throwing some beats on. It makes people start moving in a coordinated manner. I think that we&#8217;ll see the results of that on Tuesday.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368405</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How amusing that Mr. Big, Old Media has turned into Mr. Big, Old Politics.</description>
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		<title>By: Yes We Can &#171; UPEI - BUS442.0</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368394</link>
		<dc:creator>Yes We Can &#171; UPEI - BUS442.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We&#160;Can  Jump to Comments I was flipping through my google reader when I came across aÂ Post by Jeff JarvisÂ talking about a music video by will.i.am. Â I don&#8217;t follow US politics AT ALL, however if I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We&nbsp;Can  Jump to Comments I was flipping through my google reader when I came across aÂ Post by Jeff JarvisÂ talking about a music video by will.i.am. Â I don&#8217;t follow US politics AT ALL, however if I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368363</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the Obama movement is about: and what you're missing:

I just checked in with your blog after a break.  I'm shocked to see how you just aren't 'getting it' when it comes to the Obama campaign.

We've raised a whole generation of young people to participate via commerce.  They only identify with something if it is a product they can buy into.  The only way to engage them in politics is to create that product and offer them a chance to buy in.  That's the brilliance of the Obama campaign.

Now, if it were only a product, it would be meaningless - but it's also a totally participatory and transparent campaign.  It is grassroots, built entirely from the ground up, and the course of the campaign is determined by the people.  This campaign, in all of it's manifestations is democratic, it's democratic in a way that politics hasn't been before.  The product that you are seeing, and dismissing, is only the packaging - it's the doorway that gets young people involved.  Once they are, they are let loose.

Signing up and participating with Obama's campaign allows you to email anyone involved in the effort, nothing is filtered, no one is babysat.  The campaign staffers are completely accessible, the campaign itself is in the hands of the people, the volunteers, the believers.  This is a movement - and the passion is not about sound bites, but the sound bites do accurately represent the passion.

You're missing the whole thing - you're blind to the excitement, the engagement, the groundswell of interest in politics and issues that is bringing in a whole new generation of previously apathetic voters.  If Democrats don't recognize what this movement means and what it could mean - they risk loosing the white house this November.

We don't want an executive to lead us - we want someone who will amplify our voices and give us the ability to reach into government.  We don't want someone who voted for the war and can't admit it was a mistake, we want someone who was right about the war from the beginning and isn't afraid to say it.

This campaign has nothing to do with Obama himself, it's about us.  I worked FOR Kerry/Edwards, I loved the Clintons - but for the first time in my life, I AM the campaign and I'm working for MY voice, MY vision, MY hopes.

You titled your response to the music video "Nice Beat.  But can you lead to it?"  You're missing the whole point - we don't WANT a leader.  We're done with leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the Obama movement is about: and what you&#8217;re missing:</p>
<p>I just checked in with your blog after a break.  I&#8217;m shocked to see how you just aren&#8217;t &#8216;getting it&#8217; when it comes to the Obama campaign.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve raised a whole generation of young people to participate via commerce.  They only identify with something if it is a product they can buy into.  The only way to engage them in politics is to create that product and offer them a chance to buy in.  That&#8217;s the brilliance of the Obama campaign.</p>
<p>Now, if it were only a product, it would be meaningless - but it&#8217;s also a totally participatory and transparent campaign.  It is grassroots, built entirely from the ground up, and the course of the campaign is determined by the people.  This campaign, in all of it&#8217;s manifestations is democratic, it&#8217;s democratic in a way that politics hasn&#8217;t been before.  The product that you are seeing, and dismissing, is only the packaging - it&#8217;s the doorway that gets young people involved.  Once they are, they are let loose.</p>
<p>Signing up and participating with Obama&#8217;s campaign allows you to email anyone involved in the effort, nothing is filtered, no one is babysat.  The campaign staffers are completely accessible, the campaign itself is in the hands of the people, the volunteers, the believers.  This is a movement - and the passion is not about sound bites, but the sound bites do accurately represent the passion.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re missing the whole thing - you&#8217;re blind to the excitement, the engagement, the groundswell of interest in politics and issues that is bringing in a whole new generation of previously apathetic voters.  If Democrats don&#8217;t recognize what this movement means and what it could mean - they risk loosing the white house this November.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t want an executive to lead us - we want someone who will amplify our voices and give us the ability to reach into government.  We don&#8217;t want someone who voted for the war and can&#8217;t admit it was a mistake, we want someone who was right about the war from the beginning and isn&#8217;t afraid to say it.</p>
<p>This campaign has nothing to do with Obama himself, it&#8217;s about us.  I worked FOR Kerry/Edwards, I loved the Clintons - but for the first time in my life, I AM the campaign and I&#8217;m working for MY voice, MY vision, MY hopes.</p>
<p>You titled your response to the music video &#8220;Nice Beat.  But can you lead to it?&#8221;  You&#8217;re missing the whole point - we don&#8217;t WANT a leader.  We&#8217;re done with leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368359</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Change: Not having someone named Bush or Clinton in the White House."
That's lame. There wasn't anything wrong with the first Clinton presidency, quite to the contrary, best times the US had in some decades, so why fear a reprisal?

And change could also mean, not another phony pretender in the WH! Think about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Change: Not having someone named Bush or Clinton in the White House.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s lame. There wasn&#8217;t anything wrong with the first Clinton presidency, quite to the contrary, best times the US had in some decades, so why fear a reprisal?</p>
<p>And change could also mean, not another phony pretender in the WH! Think about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368358</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"With regard to â€œbipartisanshipâ€ and â€œreasonable bills,â€ there are competing interests."

You have a point here, Eric. So, what do you want? And then, what's so great about Obama's constant stomping for bipartisanship?

However, 100% ack about the Dems needing a supermajority, that would have a much higher impact on pushing Dem bills through than a president Obama may ever have. Amidst all that brouhaha about the presidential candidates, I fear that the important battles about Congress seats become all but forgotten...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With regard to â€œbipartisanshipâ€ and â€œreasonable bills,â€ there are competing interests.&#8221;</p>
<p>You have a point here, Eric. So, what do you want? And then, what&#8217;s so great about Obama&#8217;s constant stomping for bipartisanship?</p>
<p>However, 100% ack about the Dems needing a supermajority, that would have a much higher impact on pushing Dem bills through than a president Obama may ever have. Amidst all that brouhaha about the presidential candidates, I fear that the important battles about Congress seats become all but forgotten&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: they might be giants &#8212; infotainment rules</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368355</link>
		<dc:creator>they might be giants &#8212; infotainment rules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] there is an obvious weakness in this kind of campaigning&#8212;and this kind of candidate&#8212;as Jeff Jarvis points out: It&#8217;s all rhetoric. To me, this only underscores the notion that Obamaâ€™s campaign is the most rhetorical of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] there is an obvious weakness in this kind of campaigning&#8212;and this kind of candidate&#8212;as Jeff Jarvis points out: It&#8217;s all rhetoric. To me, this only underscores the notion that Obamaâ€™s campaign is the most rhetorical of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368352</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of lyrical "change" rhetoric....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEaS-K3j3M8
It may be empty and meaningless, but it's obviously (maybe unfortunately) catching on with all the candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of lyrical &#8220;change&#8221; rhetoric&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEaS-K3j3M8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEaS-K3j3M8</a><br />
It may be empty and meaningless, but it&#8217;s obviously (maybe unfortunately) catching on with all the candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Look after the kids and the youtube will look after itself&#160;:&#160;freedompictures</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Look after the kids and the youtube will look after itself&#160;:&#160;freedompictures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] undercurrent of resentment towards Barack Obamaâ€™s facility for oratory. Even the estimable Jeff Jarvis (and I may be misreading him) seems to suggest heâ€™s all hat and no cattle (â€œâ€¦speeches and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] undercurrent of resentment towards Barack Obamaâ€™s facility for oratory. Even the estimable Jeff Jarvis (and I may be misreading him) seems to suggest heâ€™s all hat and no cattle (â€œâ€¦speeches and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Hammock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Hammock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Change:  Not having someone named Bush or Clinton in the White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change:  Not having someone named Bush or Clinton in the White House.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Jaffa</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368349</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Jaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gray -

With regard to "bipartisanship" and "reasonable bills," there are competing interests.

It would be good for consumers and website owners for Congress to pass a Net Neutrality bill, which Obama supports.

It would be bad for the biggest ISPs for Congress to pass a Net Neutrality bill.  That is why Republicans are blocking it.

Until we get more Democrats in the Senate, the Senate won't pass such a bill.  The good news is that there will be more Democrats in the Senate in 2009 than there are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gray -</p>
<p>With regard to &#8220;bipartisanship&#8221; and &#8220;reasonable bills,&#8221; there are competing interests.</p>
<p>It would be good for consumers and website owners for Congress to pass a Net Neutrality bill, which Obama supports.</p>
<p>It would be bad for the biggest ISPs for Congress to pass a Net Neutrality bill.  That is why Republicans are blocking it.</p>
<p>Until we get more Democrats in the Senate, the Senate won&#8217;t pass such a bill.  The good news is that there will be more Democrats in the Senate in 2009 than there are now.</p>
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		<title>By: bob carlton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368346</link>
		<dc:creator>bob carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you asked:
*****Please tell me, each of you, precisely what â€œchangeâ€ means to you 

Change to me means:

 A different mindset on Iraq:  compare Obama's POV on Oct. 2, 2002 with Hillary's on Oct. 10, 2002 - he saw that we were being duped, distracted from the real war and the struggle to address root causes.  In her inability to admit a mistake, Hillary shows a stubborn-ness that not just Carter-esque - it is positively Bush-like.

A viable healthcare reform:  rather than stick with the status quo or Hillary-care II, Obama lays out a plan that will supports those in greatest need (chronically ill, children) and works at reducing cost &#38; offering coverage for all who want it.  Look at his record in the Illinois house for a sense of how he delivered here.

A foreign policy that is both muscular &#38; one we can be proud of:  Obama was early to point out the risks still inherent in Pakistan and Afghanistan, arguing that the U.S. policy of non-recognition is a non-starter.    Obama has worked on nuclear acountability around the globe since he entered the Senate.

Tech policy:  He is staunchly in favor of net neutrality, and has promised to make it a priority to reinstate it in his first year in office. He has proposed intelligent programs for increasing technology education and access to children. He doesnâ€™t believe the FCC went far enough in their proposed rules for opening up the 700MHz spectrum auctions. He wants to see increases in the number of H1-B visas given out each year. He strongly supports research into renewable energy sources and he has a realistic, market based approach to capping carbon emissions.

******how Obama will execute that vision
With transparency: he has consistently worked to make gov't more transparent &#38; accountable, he has accepted no campaign funds from PACs or lobbyists.

With broad support: look at how Obama has funded his campaign - more, smaller donations - compared to the Terry McAuliffe corp. gravy train.

With the support of new voices:  spend a day with the young people who make up the Obama movement - our country sorely needs their optimism, their energy, their efforts 

And I must add:

he will execute that vision WITHOUT BILL CLINTON in the White House
nominating the Clintons after the drama they put this country - and the Dem party - thru is reckless in my mind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you asked:<br />
*****Please tell me, each of you, precisely what â€œchangeâ€ means to you </p>
<p>Change to me means:</p>
<p> A different mindset on Iraq:  compare Obama&#8217;s POV on Oct. 2, 2002 with Hillary&#8217;s on Oct. 10, 2002 - he saw that we were being duped, distracted from the real war and the struggle to address root causes.  In her inability to admit a mistake, Hillary shows a stubborn-ness that not just Carter-esque - it is positively Bush-like.</p>
<p>A viable healthcare reform:  rather than stick with the status quo or Hillary-care II, Obama lays out a plan that will supports those in greatest need (chronically ill, children) and works at reducing cost &amp; offering coverage for all who want it.  Look at his record in the Illinois house for a sense of how he delivered here.</p>
<p>A foreign policy that is both muscular &amp; one we can be proud of:  Obama was early to point out the risks still inherent in Pakistan and Afghanistan, arguing that the U.S. policy of non-recognition is a non-starter.    Obama has worked on nuclear acountability around the globe since he entered the Senate.</p>
<p>Tech policy:  He is staunchly in favor of net neutrality, and has promised to make it a priority to reinstate it in his first year in office. He has proposed intelligent programs for increasing technology education and access to children. He doesnâ€™t believe the FCC went far enough in their proposed rules for opening up the 700MHz spectrum auctions. He wants to see increases in the number of H1-B visas given out each year. He strongly supports research into renewable energy sources and he has a realistic, market based approach to capping carbon emissions.</p>
<p>******how Obama will execute that vision<br />
With transparency: he has consistently worked to make gov&#8217;t more transparent &amp; accountable, he has accepted no campaign funds from PACs or lobbyists.</p>
<p>With broad support: look at how Obama has funded his campaign - more, smaller donations - compared to the Terry McAuliffe corp. gravy train.</p>
<p>With the support of new voices:  spend a day with the young people who make up the Obama movement - our country sorely needs their optimism, their energy, their efforts </p>
<p>And I must add:</p>
<p>he will execute that vision WITHOUT BILL CLINTON in the White House<br />
nominating the Clintons after the drama they put this country - and the Dem party - thru is reckless in my mind</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Please tell me, each of you, precisely what â€œchangeâ€ means to you and how Obama will execute that vision. With citations, please."

Good point, Jeff! Yeah, really: Change what? Change, how? 
Don't y'all think it a bit strange that Obama never answered these questions?
Not to speak of that his Senate carreer isn't really a glaring example of working for changes..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Please tell me, each of you, precisely what â€œchangeâ€ means to you and how Obama will execute that vision. With citations, please.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point, Jeff! Yeah, really: Change what? Change, how?<br />
Don&#8217;t y&#8217;all think it a bit strange that Obama never answered these questions?<br />
Not to speak of that his Senate carreer isn&#8217;t really a glaring example of working for changes..</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The US Senate is divided 51-49, with the Republican minority filibustering over disagreements great-and-small."

Eric, thx for reminding me, but, honestly,  I was well aware of this. Actually, I know more about US politics than about what's going on in my own country. 

However, your argument describes a situation that's perfect for bipartisanship. Obama, with all his charm, would only need to persuade about a dozen or so collegues to get any bill he endorses to become law. Well, now where are those examples of successful bipartisanship? Is Obama a lazy Senator who is not interested in pushing reasonable bills through, or is all his chatter of reaching across the aisle just empty brouhaha with no connection to reality? Either way, this is looking as though Obama isn't quite like he pretends to be, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The US Senate is divided 51-49, with the Republican minority filibustering over disagreements great-and-small.&#8221;</p>
<p>Eric, thx for reminding me, but, honestly,  I was well aware of this. Actually, I know more about US politics than about what&#8217;s going on in my own country. </p>
<p>However, your argument describes a situation that&#8217;s perfect for bipartisanship. Obama, with all his charm, would only need to persuade about a dozen or so collegues to get any bill he endorses to become law. Well, now where are those examples of successful bipartisanship? Is Obama a lazy Senator who is not interested in pushing reasonable bills through, or is all his chatter of reaching across the aisle just empty brouhaha with no connection to reality? Either way, this is looking as though Obama isn&#8217;t quite like he pretends to be, right?</p>
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		<title>By: rexblog.com: Rex Hammock&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The best advertising you&#8217;ll see this Super Bowl day is this one for Barack Obama</title>
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		<dc:creator>rexblog.com: Rex Hammock&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The best advertising you&#8217;ll see this Super Bowl day is this one for Barack Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can understand why a Clinton-supporter like my friend, Jeff Jarvis would want to dismiss this video as &#8220;only (underscoring) the notion that Obama&#8217;s campaign is the most [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] can understand why a Clinton-supporter like my friend, Jeff Jarvis would want to dismiss this video as &#8220;only (underscoring) the notion that Obama&#8217;s campaign is the most [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bob carlton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368340</link>
		<dc:creator>bob carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, can you describe how, in the two more years Hillary has been in the Senate than Obama has, she has managed to provide you with more confidence.

Fear is a powerful motivator - we have seen that over the last 7 years with Bush.  I must say, watching Bill Clinton play fear in this race, as well as Hillary in New Hampshire, sealed the deal for me.

It is patronizing to refer to a candidate as naive - Hillary is not naive when she argues that universal health care is now a core Democratic principle, McCain is not naive when he says we will be in Iraq for 100 years, Huckabee....ok, maybe there is an exception to every rule.

The way Hillary approached health care as the co=president in Clinton I is a primary reason I can not support her.  She was a combo of Cheney-esque secrecy, Rovian manipulation and the worst of the "we know better" that smugs Dems like me have practiced for far too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, can you describe how, in the two more years Hillary has been in the Senate than Obama has, she has managed to provide you with more confidence.</p>
<p>Fear is a powerful motivator - we have seen that over the last 7 years with Bush.  I must say, watching Bill Clinton play fear in this race, as well as Hillary in New Hampshire, sealed the deal for me.</p>
<p>It is patronizing to refer to a candidate as naive - Hillary is not naive when she argues that universal health care is now a core Democratic principle, McCain is not naive when he says we will be in Iraq for 100 years, Huckabee&#8230;.ok, maybe there is an exception to every rule.</p>
<p>The way Hillary approached health care as the co=president in Clinton I is a primary reason I can not support her.  She was a combo of Cheney-esque secrecy, Rovian manipulation and the worst of the &#8220;we know better&#8221; that smugs Dems like me have practiced for far too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/03/nice-beat-but-can-you-lead-to-it/#comment-368338</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the health care is a huge crisis and I have more confidence in Clinton's policies. I have more confidence in her experience dealing with the economy, foreign affairs, and getting what she wants out of Washington. In Obama, I fear Jimmy Carter. Hope I'm wrong. But that's my fear. Naive goodwill and polished rhetoric but a disaster at managing the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the health care is a huge crisis and I have more confidence in Clinton&#8217;s policies. I have more confidence in her experience dealing with the economy, foreign affairs, and getting what she wants out of Washington. In Obama, I fear Jimmy Carter. Hope I&#8217;m wrong. But that&#8217;s my fear. Naive goodwill and polished rhetoric but a disaster at managing the country.</p>
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