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	<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/</link>
	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael GS</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-370796</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael GS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, 
"its name" not "it's name"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry,<br />
&#8220;its name&#8221; not &#8220;it&#8217;s name&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael GS</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-370794</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael GS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting conversation. 
I"d like to be able to check out the company David Brain mentions. 
Any way to find it's nome out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting conversation.<br />
I&#8221;d like to be able to check out the company David Brain mentions.<br />
Any way to find it&#8217;s nome out?</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369594</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of ideas more:

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=45&#38;aid=138089" rel="nofollow"&gt;OC Register publisher reveals his three-pronged strategy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
It involves publishing free community newspapers, expanding Web offerings and putting out a smaller Register print paper. â€œThe Register has to become a 21st century business,â€ Terry Horne says in his first interview since being named Orange County Register publisher last September. â€œWe canâ€™t have the same model that worked 10 years ago.â€ 

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=45&#38;aid=137882" rel="nofollow"&gt;How to free journalism from an advertising dependency&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
â€œModern computing offers unparalleled capacities to track and calculate,â€ writes Edward Wasserman. â€œImagine a vast menu of news and commentary offered to you ad-free for pennies per item, the charges micro-billed, added up and presented like a utility bill at monthâ€™s end. The money that journalism providers got would depend on their audience. Plus, if you uploaded comment or video in response, to the degree it was downloaded by others youâ€™d get credited for it â€” compensated like any other provider.â€

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of ideas more:</p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=45&amp;aid=138089" rel="nofollow">OC Register publisher reveals his three-pronged strategy</a></b><br />
It involves publishing free community newspapers, expanding Web offerings and putting out a smaller Register print paper. â€œThe Register has to become a 21st century business,â€ Terry Horne says in his first interview since being named Orange County Register publisher last September. â€œWe canâ€™t have the same model that worked 10 years ago.â€ </p>
<p><b><a href="http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=45&amp;aid=137882" rel="nofollow">How to free journalism from an advertising dependency</a></b><br />
â€œModern computing offers unparalleled capacities to track and calculate,â€ writes Edward Wasserman. â€œImagine a vast menu of news and commentary offered to you ad-free for pennies per item, the charges micro-billed, added up and presented like a utility bill at monthâ€™s end. The money that journalism providers got would depend on their audience. Plus, if you uploaded comment or video in response, to the degree it was downloaded by others youâ€™d get credited for it â€” compensated like any other provider.â€</p>
<p>Carolyn Kay<br />
MakeThemAccountable.com</p>
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		<title>By: Build the Echo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-02-22</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369559</link>
		<dc:creator>Build the Echo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-02-22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» New business models for news (tags: buidtheecho csm business_models) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Keep Faking It &#187; Networked Fast Company</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369539</link>
		<dc:creator>Keep Faking It &#187; Networked Fast Company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis weighs in with his ever definitive thoughts on FC and co here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-02-20 &#124; stuart henshall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369469</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-02-20 &#124; stuart henshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» New business models for news How do we get rid of the &#8220;echo chamber&#8221;? Part of the problem is &#8220;news&#8221; is no longer credible, warped, or balanced. New tools provide the opportunity for improved transparency. (tags: jeffjarvis journalism blogging newspapers media internet) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» New business models for news How do we get rid of the &#8220;echo chamber&#8221;? Part of the problem is &#8220;news&#8221; is no longer credible, warped, or balanced. New tools provide the opportunity for improved transparency. (tags: jeffjarvis journalism blogging newspapers media internet) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Newspaper circulation in decline! &#171; UPEI - BUS442.0</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369270</link>
		<dc:creator>Newspaper circulation in decline! &#171; UPEI - BUS442.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Jump to Comments I was reading a post by Jeff Jarvis (BuzzMachine), when this article about the business model for news caught my eye.Â  This article undertsands that the the newspaper readership is in decline and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Jump to Comments I was reading a post by Jeff Jarvis (BuzzMachine), when this article about the business model for news caught my eye.Â  This article undertsands that the the newspaper readership is in decline and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PIerre Little</title>
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		<dc:creator>PIerre Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have a solution to bring and its called Silverwyn.  I would be prepared to share it if liked minded persons would join me in classic mastermind group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have a solution to bring and its called Silverwyn.  I would be prepared to share it if liked minded persons would join me in classic mastermind group.</p>
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		<title>By: Build the Echo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-02-16</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369216</link>
		<dc:creator>Build the Echo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-02-16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» New business models for news A must read. Many of the business models and cutting edge journalism production/distribution/sharing ideas that Jarvis writes about, are areas that The MC is experimenting with or strategizing around. I can&#8217;t wait to dive more into this meta discussion. (tags: buildtheecho business_models) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BuzzMachine Â» Blog Archive Â» New business models for news A must read. Many of the business models and cutting edge journalism production/distribution/sharing ideas that Jarvis writes about, are areas that The MC is experimenting with or strategizing around. I can&#8217;t wait to dive more into this meta discussion. (tags: buildtheecho business_models) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369215</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NYT-Gannett-Trib-Hearst Combine Form Local Online Ad Sales Company quadrantONE (Paid Content):
http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-nyt-gannet-trib-hearst-combine-form-online-ad-sales-company-quadrantone/

"This has been in works for a while as an alternative to the Yahoo newspaper consortium, as well as the Google-newspapers ad effort, and now it is finally launching: Tribune, Gannett, Hearst and the New York Times Company are forming a joint new company called quadrantONE, and transferring some of their open online inventory to the firm to sellâ€¦ The four companies are also investing in the new company."

It seems to me that smaller newspapers ought to be looking for a strategic partnership with Google, which has said over and over again that it doesnâ€™t want to be a content provider.  Todayâ€™s local newspapers could work with Google to develop a platform for hyper-local content and ads where they share the revenue.
 
Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYT-Gannett-Trib-Hearst Combine Form Local Online Ad Sales Company quadrantONE (Paid Content):<br />
<a href="http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-nyt-gannet-trib-hearst-combine-form-online-ad-sales-company-quadrantone/" rel="nofollow">http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-nyt-gannet-trib-hearst-combine-form-online-ad-sales-company-quadrantone/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;This has been in works for a while as an alternative to the Yahoo newspaper consortium, as well as the Google-newspapers ad effort, and now it is finally launching: Tribune, Gannett, Hearst and the New York Times Company are forming a joint new company called quadrantONE, and transferring some of their open online inventory to the firm to sellâ€¦ The four companies are also investing in the new company.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me that smaller newspapers ought to be looking for a strategic partnership with Google, which has said over and over again that it doesnâ€™t want to be a content provider.  Todayâ€™s local newspapers could work with Google to develop a platform for hyper-local content and ads where they share the revenue.</p>
<p>Carolyn Kay<br />
MakeThemAccountable.com</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369214</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear the day when news media are not only owned by big corporations, but are also funded only by advertising paid for by other big corporations.  Who will rock the boat then?

There may be a chance for  a subscription model for part of the funding, but it would have to be a subscription for many outlets, similar to cable television and monthly fees for downloading music and/or movies.  People don't want to have to have individual subscriptions for 20 to 30 different outlets.

Some creative thinking would be needed to figure out what should be the premium content that people would want to pay for, since so much is already available for free, but right now little thought if any is going into this.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear the day when news media are not only owned by big corporations, but are also funded only by advertising paid for by other big corporations.  Who will rock the boat then?</p>
<p>There may be a chance for  a subscription model for part of the funding, but it would have to be a subscription for many outlets, similar to cable television and monthly fees for downloading music and/or movies.  People don&#8217;t want to have to have individual subscriptions for 20 to 30 different outlets.</p>
<p>Some creative thinking would be needed to figure out what should be the premium content that people would want to pay for, since so much is already available for free, but right now little thought if any is going into this.</p>
<p>Carolyn Kay<br />
MakeThemAccountable.com</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Yelvington</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369158</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Yelvington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the question of new revenue: 

There's lots of marketing money in local markets that is not going to newspapers. Asking whether it's advertising or some other form of service is less important, I think, than getting newspapers to discover the numbers of small businesses that today simply aren't on the account list, and then discover what those businesses need to succeed. 

In most cases there's not even a conversation with potential and non-customers.

When presented with a new product idea -- say, for instance, search engine optimized profiles (as sales consultant Mike Blinder is advocating) -- the ad force tends to peddle the product to the same comfortable set of clients. 

That's not going to solve the underlying economic problem, which I think is as much about the narrowing ad customer base of daily newspapers as it is about the broadening choices available to readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the question of new revenue: </p>
<p>There&#8217;s lots of marketing money in local markets that is not going to newspapers. Asking whether it&#8217;s advertising or some other form of service is less important, I think, than getting newspapers to discover the numbers of small businesses that today simply aren&#8217;t on the account list, and then discover what those businesses need to succeed. </p>
<p>In most cases there&#8217;s not even a conversation with potential and non-customers.</p>
<p>When presented with a new product idea &#8212; say, for instance, search engine optimized profiles (as sales consultant Mike Blinder is advocating) &#8212; the ad force tends to peddle the product to the same comfortable set of clients. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not going to solve the underlying economic problem, which I think is as much about the narrowing ad customer base of daily newspapers as it is about the broadening choices available to readers.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cutting up the newsroom</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369146</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cutting up the newsroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an exercise for the upcoming New Business Models for News conference at CUNY, I want to take Dave Morgan&#8217;s suggestion about cutting up newspapers into [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369122</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very concerned about the coming day when the vast majority of media outlets are owned by big corporations, and are further restrained by having the only source of income from advertising paid for by big corporations.  Not exactly the climate for fair and balanced reporting.

There might be a way to do some funding through subscriptions, but only if one subscription covers content from many sources, as does a cable TV subscription or a monthly subscription to a music website.  Because so much is free right now, those participating would have to be clever about how they rewarded those who subscribe vs. those who don't, but isn't it worth considering?

I get booed and hissed at every time I mention this, but we won't know whether it might be viable unless we give it serious thought and maybe even some kind of trial run.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very concerned about the coming day when the vast majority of media outlets are owned by big corporations, and are further restrained by having the only source of income from advertising paid for by big corporations.  Not exactly the climate for fair and balanced reporting.</p>
<p>There might be a way to do some funding through subscriptions, but only if one subscription covers content from many sources, as does a cable TV subscription or a monthly subscription to a music website.  Because so much is free right now, those participating would have to be clever about how they rewarded those who subscribe vs. those who don&#8217;t, but isn&#8217;t it worth considering?</p>
<p>I get booed and hissed at every time I mention this, but we won&#8217;t know whether it might be viable unless we give it serious thought and maybe even some kind of trial run.</p>
<p>Carolyn Kay<br />
MakeThemAccountable.com</p>
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		<title>By: Make Them Accountable / Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make Them Accountable / Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] New business models for news (by Jeff Jarvis) No doubt to the frustration of my fellow organizers, Iâ€™m still thinking through the format and agenda for the New Business Models for News conference weâ€™re holding at CUNY in May and want your advice. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: pluto-online editor&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links 13-02-2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>pluto-online editor&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links 13-02-2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] New business models for news   The challenges facing news organisations in trying to make money from the news business in the modern age [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Rudowski</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369053</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Rudowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

It's good to see you more open-minded in this post than you usually are concerning the potential for revenue models other than advertising to fund news/content. "Iâ€™ve long thought that subscription models wonâ€™t work. Prove me wrong." is much better than some of your past pronouncements stating that content already is free and that, effectively, the horse is already out of the barn. 

"Prove me wrong." So then, what would you count as proof? How about the many content websites that have been successful pursuing the paid subscription model? At SubHub we have a list of more than 200 such sites. I am happy to send you the list.

Many of these are niche sites that were not started by major news publishers. But nevertheless many were started by journalists outside the traditional media framework. Some were started by individuals with no prior journalism background. They are doing exactly what you advocate, Jeff. Citizen journalism. And making money at it.

There is no reason why a major newspaper cannot start a microsite targeted at a well-defined niche, and featuring content valuable enough to pay for. The reason some of the big newspaper sites have not succeeded at the subscription game is that the content they've offered is too generalized and commoditized on the web. It was not unique, actionable and valuable enough. But these individual failures of execution do not disprove the model -- as the many other success stories demonstrate.

Your seemingly strident past rejection of the subscription model, based on the anecdotal evidence of a few aborted projects (and some successes unfairly categorized as failures, such as WSJ.com and its $50 million in annual subscription revenues), has long been dismaying. It is good to see you now allowing for the possibility that you could be proven wrong. Shall I email you that list?

Best wishes,
Evan Rudowski</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to see you more open-minded in this post than you usually are concerning the potential for revenue models other than advertising to fund news/content. &#8220;Iâ€™ve long thought that subscription models wonâ€™t work. Prove me wrong.&#8221; is much better than some of your past pronouncements stating that content already is free and that, effectively, the horse is already out of the barn. </p>
<p>&#8220;Prove me wrong.&#8221; So then, what would you count as proof? How about the many content websites that have been successful pursuing the paid subscription model? At SubHub we have a list of more than 200 such sites. I am happy to send you the list.</p>
<p>Many of these are niche sites that were not started by major news publishers. But nevertheless many were started by journalists outside the traditional media framework. Some were started by individuals with no prior journalism background. They are doing exactly what you advocate, Jeff. Citizen journalism. And making money at it.</p>
<p>There is no reason why a major newspaper cannot start a microsite targeted at a well-defined niche, and featuring content valuable enough to pay for. The reason some of the big newspaper sites have not succeeded at the subscription game is that the content they&#8217;ve offered is too generalized and commoditized on the web. It was not unique, actionable and valuable enough. But these individual failures of execution do not disprove the model &#8212; as the many other success stories demonstrate.</p>
<p>Your seemingly strident past rejection of the subscription model, based on the anecdotal evidence of a few aborted projects (and some successes unfairly categorized as failures, such as WSJ.com and its $50 million in annual subscription revenues), has long been dismaying. It is good to see you now allowing for the possibility that you could be proven wrong. Shall I email you that list?</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Evan Rudowski</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I worked in radio, the big stations spent a fortune on audience research and their answers would always come back the same.  
"More music less talk," would always win by huge margins.  Time and Temperature were distant seconds. You can even hear, to this day, that exact phrase used to advertise certain stations.  And all this expensive research couldn't have been more wrong.  
At the time the audience claimed they wanted "more music, less talk" the top five morning shows in New York were:

Howard Stern
WCBS all news
WINS all news
Don Imus 
WABC all hate

 Most of the people who said "Time" was very important to them used a clock radio alarm to wake up. If they've got a clock, why is time very important to them?  Because it was a question on the survey.

In short I'm saying the newspaper audience won't know what they want until you give it to them, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I worked in radio, the big stations spent a fortune on audience research and their answers would always come back the same.<br />
&#8220;More music less talk,&#8221; would always win by huge margins.  Time and Temperature were distant seconds. You can even hear, to this day, that exact phrase used to advertise certain stations.  And all this expensive research couldn&#8217;t have been more wrong.<br />
At the time the audience claimed they wanted &#8220;more music, less talk&#8221; the top five morning shows in New York were:</p>
<p>Howard Stern<br />
WCBS all news<br />
WINS all news<br />
Don Imus<br />
WABC all hate</p>
<p> Most of the people who said &#8220;Time&#8221; was very important to them used a clock radio alarm to wake up. If they&#8217;ve got a clock, why is time very important to them?  Because it was a question on the survey.</p>
<p>In short I&#8217;m saying the newspaper audience won&#8217;t know what they want until you give it to them, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: All News is Not Created Equal &#187; The Buzz Bin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369007</link>
		<dc:creator>All News is Not Created Equal &#187; The Buzz Bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis had a thought provoking post about the future of the news industry, problems and solutions and steps that needed to be taken to ensure local and national news was reaching out to the right audience. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis had a thought provoking post about the future of the news industry, problems and solutions and steps that needed to be taken to ensure local and national news was reaching out to the right audience. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JohnofScribbleSheet</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369006</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnofScribbleSheet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a challenge the whole industry faces.

1. Subscription will not work
2. The current situation seems unsustainable especially if CPM's drop

So new models need to be conjured up from somewhere. Where exactly? Everyone wants to know that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a challenge the whole industry faces.</p>
<p>1. Subscription will not work<br />
2. The current situation seems unsustainable especially if CPM&#8217;s drop</p>
<p>So new models need to be conjured up from somewhere. Where exactly? Everyone wants to know that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Your Neighbor</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-369004</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Neighbor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem: Newspapers are trying to be all things to all people. 
Problem: newspaper websites are doing the same thing. 

The horribly junky and unreadable NJ.com is a perfect case. Screaming type, screen crammed full of tiny words about sports, biz, news, schools, traffic, blogs, restaurants, contests, plus ads. WTF?

I want to go to this site once, select out the sections I will NEVER read (contests, blogs, traffic, biz) and then never see these things again when I go there. The best thing I like my paper is that I can pull out the two sections I want and toss the rest. 

Also, I don't want cheesy video from barely capable reporters, unless it is absolutely stunning. So skip the lame, youtube quality video reports from a local traffic accident or something. 

There is an exception to the cheesy video rule, though. I AM interested if it is hyperlocal. My street, my school, my corner bodega, my neighbor's house. Then I want to see every detail.

I might be interested in reporters blogs. If they say something. Most are horrible. Actually, the blogs at Politico are pretty good, as an example. Actually, Politico is a pretty good news site, if you care about Politics. Why can't something from an NJ paper look like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem: Newspapers are trying to be all things to all people.<br />
Problem: newspaper websites are doing the same thing. </p>
<p>The horribly junky and unreadable NJ.com is a perfect case. Screaming type, screen crammed full of tiny words about sports, biz, news, schools, traffic, blogs, restaurants, contests, plus ads. WTF?</p>
<p>I want to go to this site once, select out the sections I will NEVER read (contests, blogs, traffic, biz) and then never see these things again when I go there. The best thing I like my paper is that I can pull out the two sections I want and toss the rest. </p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t want cheesy video from barely capable reporters, unless it is absolutely stunning. So skip the lame, youtube quality video reports from a local traffic accident or something. </p>
<p>There is an exception to the cheesy video rule, though. I AM interested if it is hyperlocal. My street, my school, my corner bodega, my neighbor&#8217;s house. Then I want to see every detail.</p>
<p>I might be interested in reporters blogs. If they say something. Most are horrible. Actually, the blogs at Politico are pretty good, as an example. Actually, Politico is a pretty good news site, if you care about Politics. Why can&#8217;t something from an NJ paper look like that?</p>
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		<title>By: David Brain</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-368999</link>
		<dc:creator>David Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
check out this company (i bumped into the CEO at Davos, and he said he had met you).  They have a really cool set of app's that help companies drive innovation, but on a networked and crowdsourcing basis.  This could be the corporate back-end to the new consumer power that companies are faced with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
check out this company (i bumped into the CEO at Davos, and he said he had met you).  They have a really cool set of app&#8217;s that help companies drive innovation, but on a networked and crowdsourcing basis.  This could be the corporate back-end to the new consumer power that companies are faced with.</p>
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		<title>By: vivien morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-368995</link>
		<dc:creator>vivien morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you're right to be concerned about what are universities going to do about churning out thousands of journalism and media graduates who haven't learned about 'convergent journalism', who have been taught conventiuonally separating writing for print,broadcast and online.
Wake up!!! I teach and have written 'Practising Videojournalism'(Routledge 07) that addresses some of these challenges and that argues for multi-skilled journalists- without them- how do you begin your revolution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you&#8217;re right to be concerned about what are universities going to do about churning out thousands of journalism and media graduates who haven&#8217;t learned about &#8216;convergent journalism&#8217;, who have been taught conventiuonally separating writing for print,broadcast and online.<br />
Wake up!!! I teach and have written &#8216;Practising Videojournalism&#8217;(Routledge 07) that addresses some of these challenges and that argues for multi-skilled journalists- without them- how do you begin your revolution?</p>
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		<title>By: John Furrier</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-368988</link>
		<dc:creator>John Furrier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you nailed it.  these are problems and new solutions will fill the gaps.  

i've been tackling this problems since starting podtech three years ago.. now i'm working on networked content and networked advertising - microcontent for micronetworks..

you're right an algorithm will come from this...possibly the next pagerank like algorithm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you nailed it.  these are problems and new solutions will fill the gaps.  </p>
<p>i&#8217;ve been tackling this problems since starting podtech three years ago.. now i&#8217;m working on networked content and networked advertising - microcontent for micronetworks..</p>
<p>you&#8217;re right an algorithm will come from this&#8230;possibly the next pagerank like algorithm</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brogan...</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/12/new-business-models-for-news/#comment-368987</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brogan...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I was influenced watching the Google team at Davos and by a session on innovation there: I saw that engineers donâ€™t start with neat ideas. They start with problems and then seek solutions." 

That's a great way to build a conference of interest. Or an unconference. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was influenced watching the Google team at Davos and by a session on innovation there: I saw that engineers donâ€™t start with neat ideas. They start with problems and then seek solutions.&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great way to build a conference of interest. Or an unconference. : )</p>
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