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	<title>Comments on: Journalists&#8217; votes matter</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: When everyone is a reporter - even donors &#171; Bente Kalsnes&#8217; blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-374046</link>
		<dc:creator>When everyone is a reporter - even donors &#171; Bente Kalsnes&#8217; blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my blog&#8217;s disclosure page, including my vote for Hillary Clinton in the primaries. I&#8217;ve blogged my expectation to see similar behaviour from bloggers and journalists alike. I went so far as to ask my readers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my blog&#8217;s disclosure page, including my vote for Hillary Clinton in the primaries. I&#8217;ve blogged my expectation to see similar behaviour from bloggers and journalists alike. I went so far as to ask my readers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Redaktionsblog: www.berliner-journalisten.com &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; Brauchen BÃ¼rgerjournalisten Regeln?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-374010</link>
		<dc:creator>Redaktionsblog: www.berliner-journalisten.com &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; Brauchen BÃ¼rgerjournalisten Regeln?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my blog&#8217;s disclosure page, including my vote for Hillary Clinton in the primaries. I&#8217;ve blogged my expectation to see similar behaviour from bloggers and journalists alike. I went so far as to ask my readers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my blog&#8217;s disclosure page, including my vote for Hillary Clinton in the primaries. I&#8217;ve blogged my expectation to see similar behaviour from bloggers and journalists alike. I went so far as to ask my readers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LCaution</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369772</link>
		<dc:creator>LCaution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hardly think disclosure is necessary this season.  The TV network pundits (I'm not sure there are any TV journalists left) have made their preferences clear from the beginning, esp. in the Democratic race.  
They decided, day 1, that only 3 candidates mattered and didn't bother covering the rest of the field.  When the rest of the field failed to get votes, the media attitude was "we were right" rather than "we caused it".

The hatred for Hillary &#38; Bill (greater than anything directed at George W. Bush) is so venomous it could melt the video tube. I suspect the Media have never forgiven Bill for maintaining his popularity and not being kicked out of office in spite of all the effort they spent trying to bring him down. Everybody wants to be Woodward &#38; Bernstein, even Woodward &#38; Bernstein.

Similarly, the love affair with Obama.  There are not words enough of praise, even if, as it turns out, most of Obama's words come from others.

Hillary can barely open her mouth without generating criticism.  Nothing Obama says or does is bad; there is always an explanation. 

The only positive side to an Obama-McCain race in the GE is that, since the Media love both men, there is a chance that the coverage will be fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hardly think disclosure is necessary this season.  The TV network pundits (I&#8217;m not sure there are any TV journalists left) have made their preferences clear from the beginning, esp. in the Democratic race.<br />
They decided, day 1, that only 3 candidates mattered and didn&#8217;t bother covering the rest of the field.  When the rest of the field failed to get votes, the media attitude was &#8220;we were right&#8221; rather than &#8220;we caused it&#8221;.</p>
<p>The hatred for Hillary &amp; Bill (greater than anything directed at George W. Bush) is so venomous it could melt the video tube. I suspect the Media have never forgiven Bill for maintaining his popularity and not being kicked out of office in spite of all the effort they spent trying to bring him down. Everybody wants to be Woodward &amp; Bernstein, even Woodward &amp; Bernstein.</p>
<p>Similarly, the love affair with Obama.  There are not words enough of praise, even if, as it turns out, most of Obama&#8217;s words come from others.</p>
<p>Hillary can barely open her mouth without generating criticism.  Nothing Obama says or does is bad; there is always an explanation. </p>
<p>The only positive side to an Obama-McCain race in the GE is that, since the Media love both men, there is a chance that the coverage will be fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Love</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369439</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current media food fight between Obama and Hillary is very ironic as the press wrestles with being honest with itself.  Up until now it was easy for most members in the press to dismiss the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" complaining about the built-in dogmatic support for all things "Democrat" by most of the traditional media.  The current manufactured Obama effect seems to have awakened the Clinton supporters in the press to the group think that often becomes prevalent in the traditional media.  The Clintons actually seem stunned that the media is not rolling out the carpet for them as they did in the 90's, further adding to the irony.

Jeff does an excellent job of dissecting the subtle nuances of media bias that has driven conservatives nuts for years.  Has anyone noticed that recent Hillary pictures are often presented with exaggerated facial expressions while Obama is usually presented as very calm and collected?  What the public craves is honesty from the press, they have grown weary of these types of games and are savvy enough to ignore them.  This constant subtle manipulation to stage a story in a particular way defines the current traditional media and also helps to explain why they are losing market share to the more diverse internet blogosphere.  

The question I have is what percentage of this behavior is done consciously and/or subconsciously by the individuals who make up the traditional media?  Do they actually make decisions behind closed doors to submarine the Clintons?  Or does it just play out that way as the herd mentality takes over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current media food fight between Obama and Hillary is very ironic as the press wrestles with being honest with itself.  Up until now it was easy for most members in the press to dismiss the &#8220;Vast Right Wing Conspiracy&#8221; complaining about the built-in dogmatic support for all things &#8220;Democrat&#8221; by most of the traditional media.  The current manufactured Obama effect seems to have awakened the Clinton supporters in the press to the group think that often becomes prevalent in the traditional media.  The Clintons actually seem stunned that the media is not rolling out the carpet for them as they did in the 90&#8217;s, further adding to the irony.</p>
<p>Jeff does an excellent job of dissecting the subtle nuances of media bias that has driven conservatives nuts for years.  Has anyone noticed that recent Hillary pictures are often presented with exaggerated facial expressions while Obama is usually presented as very calm and collected?  What the public craves is honesty from the press, they have grown weary of these types of games and are savvy enough to ignore them.  This constant subtle manipulation to stage a story in a particular way defines the current traditional media and also helps to explain why they are losing market share to the more diverse internet blogosphere.  </p>
<p>The question I have is what percentage of this behavior is done consciously and/or subconsciously by the individuals who make up the traditional media?  Do they actually make decisions behind closed doors to submarine the Clintons?  Or does it just play out that way as the herd mentality takes over?</p>
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		<title>By: Alma Freedman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369436</link>
		<dc:creator>Alma Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, maybe it is time to go back to the old way. When  opinion is involved it is labeled
Commentary.  When straight facts are written or spoken it is called reporting and you can make up your own mind
I'm not sure if it's not too late. The media today seems to think no one has a mind and that they, the media, have the right to tell everyone how they should think. If not directly then by innuendo.   This of course is why the media have fallen below lawyers on the list of people least respected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, maybe it is time to go back to the old way. When  opinion is involved it is labeled<br />
Commentary.  When straight facts are written or spoken it is called reporting and you can make up your own mind<br />
I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s not too late. The media today seems to think no one has a mind and that they, the media, have the right to tell everyone how they should think. If not directly then by innuendo.   This of course is why the media have fallen below lawyers on the list of people least respected.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara LeBey</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369433</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara LeBey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
This article was long overdue.  The media bias has been so bothersome to me and to so many people I know who are sincerely supportive of Hillary Clinton and her message.  It is disheartening to see a vibrant, intelligent woman with a wonderful track record of experience insulted and demeaned by the media to a point where she is demonized--her campaign hurt, and, in turn, those of us who support her, also hurt.  We have a hard time maintaining trust and respect for the reporters who are doing this, and they do it with so much transparency, with impunity.  How can we have real honest democracy if our own press is now operating like the press does in countries ruled by dictators, that is putting forth a bias rather than objective coverage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
This article was long overdue.  The media bias has been so bothersome to me and to so many people I know who are sincerely supportive of Hillary Clinton and her message.  It is disheartening to see a vibrant, intelligent woman with a wonderful track record of experience insulted and demeaned by the media to a point where she is demonized&#8211;her campaign hurt, and, in turn, those of us who support her, also hurt.  We have a hard time maintaining trust and respect for the reporters who are doing this, and they do it with so much transparency, with impunity.  How can we have real honest democracy if our own press is now operating like the press does in countries ruled by dictators, that is putting forth a bias rather than objective coverage?</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Conour</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369432</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Conour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bigger issue here is that the Internet and the improved access to information means the public needs to understand journalism, be taught it in school as part of civics and government, and be motivated, and able, to ferret out the truth for themselves. Particularly online, professional journalists should be required to pass along links (whenever possible) to the sources they've used to write their reports, making the process more transparent. 

After all, I judge the merit of political books by how well they're footnoted. No footnotes? Then there's nothing to support your opinions and comments and you're wasting my time.

Of course, I'm assuming that people want the unvarnished truth rather than just believing what they want to believe. And that's a huge assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bigger issue here is that the Internet and the improved access to information means the public needs to understand journalism, be taught it in school as part of civics and government, and be motivated, and able, to ferret out the truth for themselves. Particularly online, professional journalists should be required to pass along links (whenever possible) to the sources they&#8217;ve used to write their reports, making the process more transparent. </p>
<p>After all, I judge the merit of political books by how well they&#8217;re footnoted. No footnotes? Then there&#8217;s nothing to support your opinions and comments and you&#8217;re wasting my time.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m assuming that people want the unvarnished truth rather than just believing what they want to believe. And that&#8217;s a huge assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369416</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you're going to disclose -- and I'm undecided on that question -- how much do you disclose? Party affiliation? How you voted in the last presidential election? How you voted in other elections? How much is enough?

Moreover, how much would it take to convince people predisposed to believe in bias that no such bias exists (if in fact it does not exist in a particular case)?

No answers, just questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re going to disclose &#8212; and I&#8217;m undecided on that question &#8212; how much do you disclose? Party affiliation? How you voted in the last presidential election? How you voted in other elections? How much is enough?</p>
<p>Moreover, how much would it take to convince people predisposed to believe in bias that no such bias exists (if in fact it does not exist in a particular case)?</p>
<p>No answers, just questions.</p>
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		<title>By: I fatti e le opinioni &#171; mastroblog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369402</link>
		<dc:creator>I fatti e le opinioni &#171; mastroblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] raffaele @ 9:35 am   E&#8217; davvero possibile tenere separati i fatti dalle opinioni? Non sempre, secondo Jeff Jarvis, soprattutto non in queste primarie Usa. Dove, dice (e dimostra) il giornalista, i media rivelano [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] raffaele @ 9:35 am   E&#8217; davvero possibile tenere separati i fatti dalle opinioni? Non sempre, secondo Jeff Jarvis, soprattutto non in queste primarie Usa. Dove, dice (e dimostra) il giornalista, i media rivelano [...]</p>
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		<title>By: I agree with Jeff Jarvis on bias &#124; Zac Echola</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369365</link>
		<dc:creator>I agree with Jeff Jarvis on bias &#124; Zac Echola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an open Clinton supporter has this to say about political bias: Media have an Obama problem theyâ€™re going to have to grapple with now or after the election: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369362</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff has been one of my favorite bloggers since day 1. Great writer and understands that we all have biases.

I have tried to point out that the media has an inherent bias to the left on this site over the years and Jeff has been honest and fair. 

The whole Democratic examination of the media from a conservative perspective does remind me of the kid who thought the bullies were having fun and it is not big deal when their ire was directed in another direction. 

But when the bullies aim at oneself then it takes on a whole different flavor. I agree that we all have our biases and Jeff has been a standup guy on that point, it is one of the reasons I appreciate his site. 

Now the Democrats have to recognize that these biases are there and that they either need to be recognized and on the record, or that the Republicans have had a point and that there needs to be more diversity in the newsroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff has been one of my favorite bloggers since day 1. Great writer and understands that we all have biases.</p>
<p>I have tried to point out that the media has an inherent bias to the left on this site over the years and Jeff has been honest and fair. </p>
<p>The whole Democratic examination of the media from a conservative perspective does remind me of the kid who thought the bullies were having fun and it is not big deal when their ire was directed in another direction. </p>
<p>But when the bullies aim at oneself then it takes on a whole different flavor. I agree that we all have our biases and Jeff has been a standup guy on that point, it is one of the reasons I appreciate his site. </p>
<p>Now the Democrats have to recognize that these biases are there and that they either need to be recognized and on the record, or that the Republicans have had a point and that there needs to be more diversity in the newsroom.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Mays</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369359</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Mays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are one of my blogger heros. Please don't whine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are one of my blogger heros. Please don&#8217;t whine.</p>
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		<title>By: Your Neighbor</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369356</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Neighbor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, how did you feel when the media was in love with BILL Clinton?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, how did you feel when the media was in love with BILL Clinton?</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369354</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, 

Let's face it, the biggest problem Hillary's got is this:

Bush, Clinton, Bush... Clinton?

That's not the media's fault.

Personally, I think voting intention is a private matter. It can be volunteered but there should be no rule or expectation that it be divulged. Journalists have views, but professionally they should keep that separate as much as possible and report in a fair manner. If that is not done, then flag it up, but I don't think its right for them to declare their voting intention, I think that is an invasion of privacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, the biggest problem Hillary&#8217;s got is this:</p>
<p>Bush, Clinton, Bush&#8230; Clinton?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the media&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>Personally, I think voting intention is a private matter. It can be volunteered but there should be no rule or expectation that it be divulged. Journalists have views, but professionally they should keep that separate as much as possible and report in a fair manner. If that is not done, then flag it up, but I don&#8217;t think its right for them to declare their voting intention, I think that is an invasion of privacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369353</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C'mon, Mr. Jarvis, isn't this all sour grapes on your part? Your preferred  candidate is losing - blame the media!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon, Mr. Jarvis, isn&#8217;t this all sour grapes on your part? Your preferred  candidate is losing - blame the media!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tyndall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369349</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Tyndall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Rodham Clinton is running as the practical, diligent candidate who has no truck with hi' falutin' phrases and airy-fairy idealism, it might be to her benefit that Obama gets portrayed as their darling by the liberal media elites. The phenomenon of "swoon," if it exists, may not redound to Obama's benefit. The primary calendar, heading through Wisconsin to Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania, does not seem to favor a candidate who induces swoon. On the contrary, it probably helps Rodham Clinton mobilize her demographic base of working class, older, less educated voters. Rodham Clinton's slogan -- "Speeches do not put food on the table" -- relies on practical common sense trumping glamor, just as Mondale trumped Hart -- "Where's the beef?" -- in 1984. Being beloved by the Gang of 500 can be a curse, not a blessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Rodham Clinton is running as the practical, diligent candidate who has no truck with hi&#8217; falutin&#8217; phrases and airy-fairy idealism, it might be to her benefit that Obama gets portrayed as their darling by the liberal media elites. The phenomenon of &#8220;swoon,&#8221; if it exists, may not redound to Obama&#8217;s benefit. The primary calendar, heading through Wisconsin to Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania, does not seem to favor a candidate who induces swoon. On the contrary, it probably helps Rodham Clinton mobilize her demographic base of working class, older, less educated voters. Rodham Clinton&#8217;s slogan &#8212; &#8220;Speeches do not put food on the table&#8221; &#8212; relies on practical common sense trumping glamor, just as Mondale trumped Hart &#8212; &#8220;Where&#8217;s the beef?&#8221; &#8212; in 1984. Being beloved by the Gang of 500 can be a curse, not a blessing.</p>
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		<title>By: PXLated</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369342</link>
		<dc:creator>PXLated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff...You should put a big red seal on this whiny post..."Hillary Supporter". Your gal is losing, get used to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff&#8230;You should put a big red seal on this whiny post&#8230;&#8221;Hillary Supporter&#8221;. Your gal is losing, get used to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Trust me, it sticks &#187; shelbinator.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trust me, it sticks &#187; shelbinator.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] only one thing the media loves to do more than tell The Great American Story &#8212; a passion that Jeff Jarvis has been accusing of creating a veritable MediObama lovefest for quite some time. And that thing is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] only one thing the media loves to do more than tell The Great American Story &#8212; a passion that Jeff Jarvis has been accusing of creating a veritable MediObama lovefest for quite some time. And that thing is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: chico haas</title>
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		<dc:creator>chico haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom and Greedo: Stop reading my mind.

Mr. Jarvis: Learn to live with it. Others have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom and Greedo: Stop reading my mind.</p>
<p>Mr. Jarvis: Learn to live with it. Others have.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith1965</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/18/journalists-votes-matter/#comment-369337</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith1965</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
Your claim about more positive treatment for Obama may be true. But I think the evidence in favor of that is tempered by some real world observations.

I live in Iowa. I saw all the candidates. And I caucused for John Edwards.

When I saw Hillary Clinton speak to 1200 people in my hometown, I thought the performance was "dry and tiresomely programmatic." Other Iowans I know detected in the campaign a "sense of entitlement."

When I saw Obama speak to a similar sized crowd, his speech was a little "mesmerizing," the crowd seemed "enraptured," and his charisma looked indeed "boundless." (using the words of Terrance Smith)

None of this was enough to move me off my support for Edwards. (For the record, when I saw him speak, he was very passionate. He pushed to remind me of the things which seem to be at the root of America's problems. I felt re-inspired that these problems can, in fact, be overcome.)

But... I did not have to cover these events as a journalist. If I did, I think I would have a hard time not weaving these impressions into the coverage. In fact, would you want me to ignore these things in my coverage?

If I were a reader in California, reading about the candidate appearances in small town Iowa, I could read the text of the speech for myself. I could read the candidate position statements on the Web. So what I would really like the reporter on the ground to give me is some flavor of the crowd, some sense of the candidate's demeanor, some indication of how the crowd responded. How can we accomplish that?

(To be fair, I know others who met Clinton in very small groups, 12-20, and they were impressed by her warmth. From seeing her on stage and on television, they were surprised to find such a real person in their living room. I tend to believe this disconnect between Clinton's abilities in small groups vs large groups to be something that is "real" to some degree and not a manufactured by the media. But other can disagree.)

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
Your claim about more positive treatment for Obama may be true. But I think the evidence in favor of that is tempered by some real world observations.</p>
<p>I live in Iowa. I saw all the candidates. And I caucused for John Edwards.</p>
<p>When I saw Hillary Clinton speak to 1200 people in my hometown, I thought the performance was &#8220;dry and tiresomely programmatic.&#8221; Other Iowans I know detected in the campaign a &#8220;sense of entitlement.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I saw Obama speak to a similar sized crowd, his speech was a little &#8220;mesmerizing,&#8221; the crowd seemed &#8220;enraptured,&#8221; and his charisma looked indeed &#8220;boundless.&#8221; (using the words of Terrance Smith)</p>
<p>None of this was enough to move me off my support for Edwards. (For the record, when I saw him speak, he was very passionate. He pushed to remind me of the things which seem to be at the root of America&#8217;s problems. I felt re-inspired that these problems can, in fact, be overcome.)</p>
<p>But&#8230; I did not have to cover these events as a journalist. If I did, I think I would have a hard time not weaving these impressions into the coverage. In fact, would you want me to ignore these things in my coverage?</p>
<p>If I were a reader in California, reading about the candidate appearances in small town Iowa, I could read the text of the speech for myself. I could read the candidate position statements on the Web. So what I would really like the reporter on the ground to give me is some flavor of the crowd, some sense of the candidate&#8217;s demeanor, some indication of how the crowd responded. How can we accomplish that?</p>
<p>(To be fair, I know others who met Clinton in very small groups, 12-20, and they were impressed by her warmth. From seeing her on stage and on television, they were surprised to find such a real person in their living room. I tend to believe this disconnect between Clinton&#8217;s abilities in small groups vs large groups to be something that is &#8220;real&#8221; to some degree and not a manufactured by the media. But other can disagree.)</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: shawnpetriw</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawnpetriw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should that disclosure be made on every story? If this was the first post I ever read from you I would not know you are a Hillary supporter because you didn't disclose it. (I could probably figure it out, however).

Furthermore, where would it end? Would a city reporter have to disclose his displeasure for potholes when reporting on the road resurfacing budget?

And to what degree does one have to disclose? Being a supporter of Hillary: does that mean that's who you're passively voting for, or does that mean you are passionately promoting her via blog posts, phone calls, coffee shop debate, financial contributions, etc. etc?

Would it be enough to know who Chris Matthews is voting for, or should you also know how much money he contributed, how much time he contributed, how many people he called and lobbied off the air?

This disclosure thing is a non-starter, Jeff. Life is too messy. This type of disclosure would create more problems than it would solve. We'd have to come up with a new label: Misinformation Disclosure - disclosure that is the truth, but not the whole truth.

It would simply be easier for us to eliminate the expectation of that myth called objectivity from journalism. Editorialize everything and let the reader do his own due diligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should that disclosure be made on every story? If this was the first post I ever read from you I would not know you are a Hillary supporter because you didn&#8217;t disclose it. (I could probably figure it out, however).</p>
<p>Furthermore, where would it end? Would a city reporter have to disclose his displeasure for potholes when reporting on the road resurfacing budget?</p>
<p>And to what degree does one have to disclose? Being a supporter of Hillary: does that mean that&#8217;s who you&#8217;re passively voting for, or does that mean you are passionately promoting her via blog posts, phone calls, coffee shop debate, financial contributions, etc. etc?</p>
<p>Would it be enough to know who Chris Matthews is voting for, or should you also know how much money he contributed, how much time he contributed, how many people he called and lobbied off the air?</p>
<p>This disclosure thing is a non-starter, Jeff. Life is too messy. This type of disclosure would create more problems than it would solve. We&#8217;d have to come up with a new label: Misinformation Disclosure - disclosure that is the truth, but not the whole truth.</p>
<p>It would simply be easier for us to eliminate the expectation of that myth called objectivity from journalism. Editorialize everything and let the reader do his own due diligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Journalists such as Cilizza and Downie choose not to vote for two reasons. First, they genuinely believe that it reflects their commitment to fairness.  Second, there is the pragmatic recognition that, in today's attack-environment for journalism, voting (and revealing their vote) would summon the howling pack.

The last thirty years have been a free-fire zone against the press--a conscious effort (largely by the conservatives) to gain political advantage and de-fang the watchdog. The left has done little to defend the institution upon which they--and all of us--depend for the information we need as citizens.

Like the fellow who kills his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan, conservatives today decry the lack of respect for authority and institutions--yet have been central in destroying the credibility of the press, government at all levels, higher education and public schools. I am not complaining about the legitimate criticism due here--I am pointing out that conservatives benefit politically by demonizing these flawed but vital institutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Journalists such as Cilizza and Downie choose not to vote for two reasons. First, they genuinely believe that it reflects their commitment to fairness.  Second, there is the pragmatic recognition that, in today&#8217;s attack-environment for journalism, voting (and revealing their vote) would summon the howling pack.</p>
<p>The last thirty years have been a free-fire zone against the press&#8211;a conscious effort (largely by the conservatives) to gain political advantage and de-fang the watchdog. The left has done little to defend the institution upon which they&#8211;and all of us&#8211;depend for the information we need as citizens.</p>
<p>Like the fellow who kills his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he&#8217;s an orphan, conservatives today decry the lack of respect for authority and institutions&#8211;yet have been central in destroying the credibility of the press, government at all levels, higher education and public schools. I am not complaining about the legitimate criticism due here&#8211;I am pointing out that conservatives benefit politically by demonizing these flawed but vital institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: LB's Rambles</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB's Rambles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Reporter, Reveal Thyself...&lt;/strong&gt;

Over at BuzzMachine, Jeff Jarvis, director of the interactive journalism program at City University of New York's Graduate School of Journalism, makes a cogent argument in this election season for making political journalists reveal their votes and th...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Reporter, Reveal Thyself&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Over at BuzzMachine, Jeff Jarvis, director of the interactive journalism program at City University of New York&#8217;s Graduate School of Journalism, makes a cogent argument in this election season for making political journalists reveal their votes and th&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: greedo</title>
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		<dc:creator>greedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No journalist is going to declare his/her vote, because nobody trusts a writer who at least doesn't "appear" objective.

For years the GOP has been railing about the media's subjectivity against them.  So why does it only becomes an "issue" when they turn against &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; candidate, Jarvis?

I'd like to wager that if Hillary gets the nomination, and the media bias is on her side during the general election, your request for transparency will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No journalist is going to declare his/her vote, because nobody trusts a writer who at least doesn&#8217;t &#8220;appear&#8221; objective.</p>
<p>For years the GOP has been railing about the media&#8217;s subjectivity against them.  So why does it only becomes an &#8220;issue&#8221; when they turn against <i>your</i> candidate, Jarvis?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to wager that if Hillary gets the nomination, and the media bias is on her side during the general election, your request for transparency will change.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This year, they are part of the story."

It is interesting that lifelong Democrats are seeing this as a new phenomenon while Republican's have been dealing with it for decades. 

It is tough to have the press against you when trying to support your candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This year, they are part of the story.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is interesting that lifelong Democrats are seeing this as a new phenomenon while Republican&#8217;s have been dealing with it for decades. </p>
<p>It is tough to have the press against you when trying to support your candidate.</p>
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