Comments on: The angry journalist http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/ by Jeff Jarvis Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:02:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Evil Pundit http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-370004 Evil Pundit Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:15:34 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-370004 Andy Freeman and Penny have it right. The industry is in a well-deserved decline because of arrogant journalists like #588, who feed the public their personal opinions instead of the information the public wants. I don't want to know which candidate #588 thinks I should vote for. I want to know the policies and records of all the candidates, and #588 refuses to supply that information. So I'll find someone who does. Andy Freeman and Penny have it right.

The industry is in a well-deserved decline because of arrogant journalists like #588, who feed the public their personal opinions instead of the information the public wants.

I don’t want to know which candidate #588 thinks I should vote for. I want to know the policies and records of all the candidates, and #588 refuses to supply that information. So I’ll find someone who does.

]]> By: Penny http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-369764 Penny Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:50:40 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-369764 "Making a difference it what it is supposed to be about." No, it's not. It's about reporting the news. If you want to make a difference become a politician or a social worker. “Making a difference it what it is supposed to be about.”

No, it’s not. It’s about reporting the news. If you want to make a difference become a politician or a social worker.

]]> By: Andy Freeman http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-369568 Andy Freeman Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:03:25 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-369568 > I’m angry because 25-year-old shit heads like Angry Journalist #470 can ignore what he is hearing from seasoned professionals about corporate journalism, the demise of the fourth estate and how it endangers our democracy As a reader, I'll point out that "Mr Angry" should be ranting at a mirror. The so-called "fourth estate" hasn't been worth a crap for quite a while, and that's the fault of professional journalists. The only thing that has changed is that readers are now noticing the huge difference between the potential and the reality. > I’m angry because 25-year-old shit heads like Angry Journalist #470 can ignore what he is hearing from seasoned professionals about corporate journalism, the demise of the fourth estate and how it endangers our democracy

As a reader, I’ll point out that “Mr Angry” should be ranting at a mirror.

The so-called “fourth estate” hasn’t been worth a crap for quite a while, and that’s the fault of professional journalists. The only thing that has changed is that readers are now noticing the huge difference between the potential and the reality.

]]> By: Putting psychologist out of work « Pazynicl’s Weblog http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-369529 Putting psychologist out of work « Pazynicl’s Weblog Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:59:58 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-369529 [...] the best of all these worlds–journalism jobs & bitching and moaning has come together here. A website where journalist can vent about their job. Ironically enough they post anonymously (lord [...] [...] the best of all these worlds–journalism jobs & bitching and moaning has come together here. A website where journalist can vent about their job. Ironically enough they post anonymously (lord [...]

]]> By: Kiyoshi Martinez http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-369521 Kiyoshi Martinez Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:57:27 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-369521 Thanks for mentioning the site, Jeff. I was a bit shocked at the reaction to #470 as well. I think I have to agree with parts of what he/she said, but I also think that many of the commenters are too angry to care about his/her valid points. I agree that there's a lot to be done to improve the industry and there's people working damned hard to do that. I think the main issue that a lot of people are coming up against is the leadership above them and poor decision making from those who won't push back against stockholders. Of course, the flipside includes the dinosaurs resistant to change. After having read every comment on the site, I still don't know what the solution is to fix all of this. While I'm excited that I've managed to come up with a popular idea for a Web site, I've grown more depressed about the industry than I was before I left it last week. And about the lack of permalinks, I'll have to look into that sometime this weekend. Thanks for mentioning the site, Jeff.

I was a bit shocked at the reaction to #470 as well. I think I have to agree with parts of what he/she said, but I also think that many of the commenters are too angry to care about his/her valid points.

I agree that there’s a lot to be done to improve the industry and there’s people working damned hard to do that. I think the main issue that a lot of people are coming up against is the leadership above them and poor decision making from those who won’t push back against stockholders. Of course, the flipside includes the dinosaurs resistant to change.

After having read every comment on the site, I still don’t know what the solution is to fix all of this. While I’m excited that I’ve managed to come up with a popular idea for a Web site, I’ve grown more depressed about the industry than I was before I left it last week.

And about the lack of permalinks, I’ll have to look into that sometime this weekend.

]]> By: peter http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-369520 peter Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:08:53 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/20/the-angry-journalist/#comment-369520 Whoa, whoa, whoa is me. Yup, it isn't too difficult to get tired of all the kevetching. Right Jeff? Solutions? As much as I don't like USAToda, I must say that hidden in their design just might be some of the solutions. I read the Oregonian. This paper is anchored in 1966. It is dying in one of the most wired of cities. If their newsroom is worried, and anyone over 57 should be, then what the heck are they doing about it? Where are the change agents in this business? Whoa, whoa, whoa is me. Yup, it isn’t too difficult to get tired of all the kevetching. Right Jeff?

Solutions?

As much as I don’t like USAToda, I must say that hidden in their design just might be some of the solutions. I read the Oregonian. This paper is anchored in 1966. It is dying in one of the most wired of cities.

If their newsroom is worried, and anyone over 57 should be, then what the heck are they doing about it?

Where are the change agents in this business?

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