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	<title>Comments on: What is the Times thinking?</title>
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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: blink and you missed it &#171; the stories of our lives</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-377518</link>
		<dc:creator>blink and you missed it &#171; the stories of our lives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] explanation still doesn’t address how the NYT managed to do something that reflected so badly on the newspaper and missed its target (by insinuating that there was a sex angle to the story) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: blink and you missed it &#171; the infotainment follies</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-377364</link>
		<dc:creator>blink and you missed it &#171; the infotainment follies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] explanation still doesn’t address how the NYT managed to do something that reflected so badly on the newspaper and missed its target (by insinuating that there was a sex angle to the story) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Column &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A History of Sex and Journalism</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-373567</link>
		<dc:creator>The Column &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A History of Sex and Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] . . . Buzz Machine&#8217;s Jeff Jarvis goes off on Bill Keller&#8217;s insistence that the McCain story was far broader than a piece about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] . . . Buzz Machine&#8217;s Jeff Jarvis goes off on Bill Keller&#8217;s insistence that the McCain story was far broader than a piece about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Journalism Iconoclast &#187; Credibility is all journalism has</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-370312</link>
		<dc:creator>The Journalism Iconoclast &#187; Credibility is all journalism has</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all comes on the heels of the horribly reported and factually challenged story by The New York Times about John [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369891</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't that great? Your president -- the one who lied his way into a trillion-dollar war -- wears a flag in his lapel, and that's how you judge "patriotism." What a joke. In any case, your Republican surrogate Jarvis is too much of a coward to answer a simple question. Like I say, he's angling for a slot on Faux News or in some other Murdoch outlet. At this rate, he'll get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that great? Your president &#8212; the one who lied his way into a trillion-dollar war &#8212; wears a flag in his lapel, and that&#8217;s how you judge &#8220;patriotism.&#8221; What a joke. In any case, your Republican surrogate Jarvis is too much of a coward to answer a simple question. Like I say, he&#8217;s angling for a slot on Faux News or in some other Murdoch outlet. At this rate, he&#8217;ll get it.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369860</link>
		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Lou Dobbs just loves Bush and company--what the hell are you smoking when you watch CNN.  Give it a rest and clear your head and the hallucinations may pass.
Well, why won't Obama wear a lapel pin or hold his hand over his heart during the anthem?  He has no problem wearing muslim garb so what's wrong with the US flag or its anthem?  CNN can't run fast enough to try dispell the story Obama attended a madrasa or run a poll they hope leftist viewers will answer with "yes, Obama is patriotic" .  Their propaganda doesn't work with me.  I am not a Hillary fan, but CNN is a lot tougher on her and handles Obama with velvet gloves--it's sickening to watch them swoon over him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Lou Dobbs just loves Bush and company&#8211;what the hell are you smoking when you watch CNN.  Give it a rest and clear your head and the hallucinations may pass.<br />
Well, why won&#8217;t Obama wear a lapel pin or hold his hand over his heart during the anthem?  He has no problem wearing muslim garb so what&#8217;s wrong with the US flag or its anthem?  CNN can&#8217;t run fast enough to try dispell the story Obama attended a madrasa or run a poll they hope leftist viewers will answer with &#8220;yes, Obama is patriotic&#8221; .  Their propaganda doesn&#8217;t work with me.  I am not a Hillary fan, but CNN is a lot tougher on her and handles Obama with velvet gloves&#8211;it&#8217;s sickening to watch them swoon over him.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369855</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's "nuttier than a fruitcake" to think that CNN is pro-Republican? They run a push-poll asking whether Obama is unpatriotic; they have Glenn Beck on every night; Wolf Blitzer might have well have "Likud/Mossad" stamped on his forehead; Lou Dobbs makes William Jenning Bryan look like a liberal. 

Yeah, I'd say CNN is in bed with the wingnuts and the neocons in a major way. Whatever the White House or the Israelis tell them to say, CNN says it. Nary a peep out of Jarvis, who slams the NYT and sucks up to Murdock, and too cowardly to answer a simple question about the standard of "proof" needed for the media to report a sex scandal.

Look for Jarvis to be a Fox News regular soon enough. Or, who knows, maybe CNN, which isn't a whole lot different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;nuttier than a fruitcake&#8221; to think that CNN is pro-Republican? They run a push-poll asking whether Obama is unpatriotic; they have Glenn Beck on every night; Wolf Blitzer might have well have &#8220;Likud/Mossad&#8221; stamped on his forehead; Lou Dobbs makes William Jenning Bryan look like a liberal. </p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;d say CNN is in bed with the wingnuts and the neocons in a major way. Whatever the White House or the Israelis tell them to say, CNN says it. Nary a peep out of Jarvis, who slams the NYT and sucks up to Murdock, and too cowardly to answer a simple question about the standard of &#8220;proof&#8221; needed for the media to report a sex scandal.</p>
<p>Look for Jarvis to be a Fox News regular soon enough. Or, who knows, maybe CNN, which isn&#8217;t a whole lot different.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Fox</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369854</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this theory: In today's sensation-driven media, an important, but wonky, story about McCain's hypocritical service to lobbyists would have passed virtually without notice in one news cycle if not spiced up with the attention-grabbing sex angle.

The accusation of the affair, which is ultimately no more than media candy, is the vector on which the bulk of the story hopes to piggyback and prompt future media investigations of his unethical behavior via a via lobbyists. Media candy is now the freight journalists must pay to deliver otherwise dry payloads of important stuff to a brain-dead media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this theory: In today&#8217;s sensation-driven media, an important, but wonky, story about McCain&#8217;s hypocritical service to lobbyists would have passed virtually without notice in one news cycle if not spiced up with the attention-grabbing sex angle.</p>
<p>The accusation of the affair, which is ultimately no more than media candy, is the vector on which the bulk of the story hopes to piggyback and prompt future media investigations of his unethical behavior via a via lobbyists. Media candy is now the freight journalists must pay to deliver otherwise dry payloads of important stuff to a brain-dead media.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369850</link>
		<dc:creator>kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charley, if your head wasn't so far up some democrat's ass, you'd know Jeff is a Clinton supporter and is only saying what is very damned obvious to anyone who doesn't choose to be blinded by burying his head.  If you think CNN is pro Republican you are nuttier than a fruitcake. 
There can't be proof to a lie--you can't prove a lie is truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charley, if your head wasn&#8217;t so far up some democrat&#8217;s ass, you&#8217;d know Jeff is a Clinton supporter and is only saying what is very damned obvious to anyone who doesn&#8217;t choose to be blinded by burying his head.  If you think CNN is pro Republican you are nuttier than a fruitcake.<br />
There can&#8217;t be proof to a lie&#8211;you can&#8217;t prove a lie is truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogs, blogs and more blogs &#171; Angelswords Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369836</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogs, blogs and more blogs &#171; Angelswords Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the necessity to monitor what is being said about a company on the internet.Â  For instance, buzzmachineâ€™s less than flattering remarks regarding the New York Times and their coverage of McCain [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the necessity to monitor what is being said about a company on the internet.Â  For instance, buzzmachineâ€™s less than flattering remarks regarding the New York Times and their coverage of McCain [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369819</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarvis is obviously auditioning for a slot on Fox News. Notice that, like other wingnuts, he's all over the New York Times, but says nothing about CNN's slander against Obama's patriotism, or its and other media republication (if the pun fits, wear it) of Drudge's charges against both Obama and Clinton.

Nope, he won't say anything about that, because none of it fits his right-wing agenda. Nor will he bother to specify the "proof" required to report the McCain story. Jeff Jarvis is above questions. Yeah, I'm sure we'll be seeing him on Murdoch TV any day now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarvis is obviously auditioning for a slot on Fox News. Notice that, like other wingnuts, he&#8217;s all over the New York Times, but says nothing about CNN&#8217;s slander against Obama&#8217;s patriotism, or its and other media republication (if the pun fits, wear it) of Drudge&#8217;s charges against both Obama and Clinton.</p>
<p>Nope, he won&#8217;t say anything about that, because none of it fits his right-wing agenda. Nor will he bother to specify the &#8220;proof&#8221; required to report the McCain story. Jeff Jarvis is above questions. Yeah, I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll be seeing him on Murdoch TV any day now.</p>
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		<title>By: LB's Rambles</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369810</link>
		<dc:creator>LB's Rambles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Times Are Changing...&lt;/strong&gt;

To follow up on my last post about the woes of the New York Times, I want to take a closer look at what I think is happening there, particularly in terms of the huge negative reaction to their article...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Times Are Changing&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>To follow up on my last post about the woes of the New York Times, I want to take a closer look at what I think is happening there, particularly in terms of the huge negative reaction to their article&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369778</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarvis's silence is deafening. He must be all tuckered out from carrying all that water for the Republicans. Like them, he must be afraid to answer a simple question until he gets a phone call from Karl Rove telling him what to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarvis&#8217;s silence is deafening. He must be all tuckered out from carrying all that water for the Republicans. Like them, he must be afraid to answer a simple question until he gets a phone call from Karl Rove telling him what to say.</p>
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		<title>By: LCaution</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369770</link>
		<dc:creator>LCaution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the editor doesn't understand.  This is the paper that produced and justified a novella-sized report on the Clinton marriage in 2006...to relatively little criticism, as I recall.

And, if proof were needed that the editors are incapable of learning from experience, they went right along with Bush's "Iran is about to nuke us" in spite of their being burned, to put it mildly, on Iraq.

I fear that the NYT, like CNN, believes its own publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the editor doesn&#8217;t understand.  This is the paper that produced and justified a novella-sized report on the Clinton marriage in 2006&#8230;to relatively little criticism, as I recall.</p>
<p>And, if proof were needed that the editors are incapable of learning from experience, they went right along with Bush&#8217;s &#8220;Iran is about to nuke us&#8221; in spite of their being burned, to put it mildly, on Iraq.</p>
<p>I fear that the NYT, like CNN, believes its own publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Thornton</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369755</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charley,

You are so off the reservation you have no idea what you are talking about. I hope to God you are not a journalist. What the Times did is not acceptable journalism.

Jeff -- and every other sane American -- would have at least liked the Times to use sources on the record. Anyone can imply anything off the record. The sources for this story weren't willing to even go on the record about something rather minor. It's not like they were leaking the Pentagon Papers.

So, we have no evidence other then some disgruntled former McCain staffers saying they "feared" his relationship might have turned romantic.

That's not journalism. That's why the super market tabloids do.

And if you knew Jeff better, you'd know he is a big Hillary Clinton supporter. But I guess everyone who has problems with the Times must be a republican. Right?

Of course even The New York Times public editor finds the article troubling: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24pubed.html?_r=1&#38;oref=slogin

If you're going to criticize someone, "Charley" at least leave your e-mail like a real man or woman would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charley,</p>
<p>You are so off the reservation you have no idea what you are talking about. I hope to God you are not a journalist. What the Times did is not acceptable journalism.</p>
<p>Jeff &#8212; and every other sane American &#8212; would have at least liked the Times to use sources on the record. Anyone can imply anything off the record. The sources for this story weren&#8217;t willing to even go on the record about something rather minor. It&#8217;s not like they were leaking the Pentagon Papers.</p>
<p>So, we have no evidence other then some disgruntled former McCain staffers saying they &#8220;feared&#8221; his relationship might have turned romantic.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not journalism. That&#8217;s why the super market tabloids do.</p>
<p>And if you knew Jeff better, you&#8217;d know he is a big Hillary Clinton supporter. But I guess everyone who has problems with the Times must be a republican. Right?</p>
<p>Of course even The New York Times public editor finds the article troubling: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24pubed.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24pubed.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin</a></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to criticize someone, &#8220;Charley&#8221; at least leave your e-mail like a real man or woman would.</p>
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		<title>By: MediaChannel.org</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369745</link>
		<dc:creator>MediaChannel.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] judgment I made, which is the same as the one Clark Hoyt made, and the one that  Jeff Jarvis, Greg Sargent, Kevin Drum made, along with thousands of Times readers, plus many other journalists [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] judgment I made, which is the same as the one Clark Hoyt made, and the one that  Jeff Jarvis, Greg Sargent, Kevin Drum made, along with thousands of Times readers, plus many other journalists [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tobe</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369730</link>
		<dc:creator>tobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's get the lead right. It's all about anonymous sources. The MSM has relied on anonymous sources for years, and years and years....... Sometimes this is an essential function of the 4th Estate. The public's right to know. More often it is part of the MSM attack machine operating as the handmaidens of various political special interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s get the lead right. It&#8217;s all about anonymous sources. The MSM has relied on anonymous sources for years, and years and years&#8230;&#8230;. Sometimes this is an essential function of the 4th Estate. The public&#8217;s right to know. More often it is part of the MSM attack machine operating as the handmaidens of various political special interests.</p>
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		<title>By: charley</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369721</link>
		<dc:creator>charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm serious, Jeff. What "proof" would you need for the NYT to have run that story? If not a used condom and DNA tests, would it be affadavits from all parties? Videotapes? Or, given that you carry water for the Republicans, a Drudge item?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m serious, Jeff. What &#8220;proof&#8221; would you need for the NYT to have run that story? If not a used condom and DNA tests, would it be affadavits from all parties? Videotapes? Or, given that you carry water for the Republicans, a Drudge item?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369720</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"noone", if it wasn't for the fact that you really don't know what a lede is, your "GWB middle school" crack would be brilliant satire.  Your misunderstimation of Mr. Jarvis is still funny, of course- but more like a guy stepping on a rake.  Try some humility before disparaging someone more knowledgable than you are.

The intro to a story is always spelled "lede" in journalism.  A "lead" is a lead story, as in "what are we leading with?"  A good example of why my father, who just retired as an editor after five decades in the business, never used a spell-checker.  There is no substitute for knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;noone&#8221;, if it wasn&#8217;t for the fact that you really don&#8217;t know what a lede is, your &#8220;GWB middle school&#8221; crack would be brilliant satire.  Your misunderstimation of Mr. Jarvis is still funny, of course- but more like a guy stepping on a rake.  Try some humility before disparaging someone more knowledgable than you are.</p>
<p>The intro to a story is always spelled &#8220;lede&#8221; in journalism.  A &#8220;lead&#8221; is a lead story, as in &#8220;what are we leading with?&#8221;  A good example of why my father, who just retired as an editor after five decades in the business, never used a spell-checker.  There is no substitute for knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: John S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But John, what these anonymous sources revealed anonymously to the Times were not facts, but their own opinions and feelings.   It is illogical to presume that they had facts available but withheld them.  They were already protected by anonymity.  They had carte blanche to dish all the dirt they had.  Apparently, what they had was innuendo, and it's quite possible they had even less.  "I remember being worried" isn't a lot to base a story like this on. 

The Times' reporters decided arbitrarily to believe people who had nothing to corroborate a juicy, game-changing story. Your point seems to be if there's smoke, there must be fire.  Not always true, especially in an adversarial situation like a presidential race.  Reporters are fools if they don't assume anyone who drops a dime on a candidate has a relevant motive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But John, what these anonymous sources revealed anonymously to the Times were not facts, but their own opinions and feelings.   It is illogical to presume that they had facts available but withheld them.  They were already protected by anonymity.  They had carte blanche to dish all the dirt they had.  Apparently, what they had was innuendo, and it&#8217;s quite possible they had even less.  &#8220;I remember being worried&#8221; isn&#8217;t a lot to base a story like this on. </p>
<p>The Times&#8217; reporters decided arbitrarily to believe people who had nothing to corroborate a juicy, game-changing story. Your point seems to be if there&#8217;s smoke, there must be fire.  Not always true, especially in an adversarial situation like a presidential race.  Reporters are fools if they don&#8217;t assume anyone who drops a dime on a candidate has a relevant motive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lunatic</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369710</link>
		<dc:creator>Lunatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the Time's defense is that it wasn't a blatant hit piece, but rather that it was so badly-written and -edited that their readers couldn't comprehend its point.

I'm cool with that, because that means that the people responsible for it should be fired for embarrassing the Times with an incompetently-produced article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the Time&#8217;s defense is that it wasn&#8217;t a blatant hit piece, but rather that it was so badly-written and -edited that their readers couldn&#8217;t comprehend its point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m cool with that, because that means that the people responsible for it should be fired for embarrassing the Times with an incompetently-produced article.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Cast</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369708</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Cast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

You might like this piece by Paul Sheehan of the Sydney Morning Herald.  http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/times-back-making-up-the-news/2008/02/24/1203788142795.html

Regards,

Simon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>You might like this piece by Paul Sheehan of the Sydney Morning Herald.  <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/times-back-making-up-the-news/2008/02/24/1203788142795.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/times-back-making-up-the-news/2008/02/24/1203788142795.html</a></p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Simon</p>
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		<title>By: chico haas</title>
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		<dc:creator>chico haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good piece, Mr. Jarvis. For the near future, the Paper of Record will have to fight McCain with one hand tied behind Keller's back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece, Mr. Jarvis. For the near future, the Paper of Record will have to fight McCain with one hand tied behind Keller&#8217;s back.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/02/23/what-is-the-times-thinking/#comment-369706</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John S,

Don't be retarded.  Firstly, I said I agreed the Times should not have run an unsourced story based on innuendo.

Secondly, I didn't say he was guilty, I said if someone could be bothered to smear him off the record, they could just as easily decide to smear him *on* the record with corroborating witnesses, phone bills, credit card receipts, snapshots, etc etc.  And then all your oh-so-certain righteous indignation will make you look the fool you could very well be.

Or maybe it won't happen.  That's the point.  You don't know, so don't act like you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John S,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be retarded.  Firstly, I said I agreed the Times should not have run an unsourced story based on innuendo.</p>
<p>Secondly, I didn&#8217;t say he was guilty, I said if someone could be bothered to smear him off the record, they could just as easily decide to smear him *on* the record with corroborating witnesses, phone bills, credit card receipts, snapshots, etc etc.  And then all your oh-so-certain righteous indignation will make you look the fool you could very well be.</p>
<p>Or maybe it won&#8217;t happen.  That&#8217;s the point.  You don&#8217;t know, so don&#8217;t act like you do.</p>
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		<title>By: John S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;Does anyone actually believe McCain is incapable of infidelity or lobbyist pandering?&#60;&#60;
 
John, 
I think there's an opening at the New York Times for you!  You think just like they do.  Ethically, it's okay to publish a weakly-sourced story full of innuendo and sensationalism because they just, like, _know_ if this didn't happen, something just like it must have happened. Therefore, the reporters are convinced they didn't do anything wrong. 

Let's see if they apply the same logic to the other candidates.  Barack Obama?  Pretty liberal.  One of his supporters has a Che Guevera banner.  "Does anyone actually believe he hasn't sold secrets to the Chinese Communists?"  Hillary Clinton?  Ruthlessly ambitious.  "Does anyone actually believe she's not capable of murdering Vince Foster?"  In both scenarios, the evidence is equally strong as the evidence of McCain's affair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Does anyone actually believe McCain is incapable of infidelity or lobbyist pandering?&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>John,<br />
I think there&#8217;s an opening at the New York Times for you!  You think just like they do.  Ethically, it&#8217;s okay to publish a weakly-sourced story full of innuendo and sensationalism because they just, like, _know_ if this didn&#8217;t happen, something just like it must have happened. Therefore, the reporters are convinced they didn&#8217;t do anything wrong. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see if they apply the same logic to the other candidates.  Barack Obama?  Pretty liberal.  One of his supporters has a Che Guevera banner.  &#8220;Does anyone actually believe he hasn&#8217;t sold secrets to the Chinese Communists?&#8221;  Hillary Clinton?  Ruthlessly ambitious.  &#8220;Does anyone actually believe she&#8217;s not capable of murdering Vince Foster?&#8221;  In both scenarios, the evidence is equally strong as the evidence of McCain&#8217;s affair.</p>
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