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		<title>By: ihakjlqdbh</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kaljugi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaljugi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these tghnis right after it all went down, instead of giving him &#8220;the benefit of the doubt,&#8221; I may have let it go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these tghnis right after it all went down, instead of giving him &#8220;the benefit of the doubt,&#8221; I may have let it go.</p>
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		<title>By: Kawika Holbrook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kawika Holbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, am loving the give and take in these comments. I hope neither Jeff nor Jay (nor, for that matter, Andrew, &quot;Cooler Heads,&quot; and the others) gives up on this type and style of discourse. Reading over the thread, I&#039;m heartened to find genuine attempts at understanding and respectful if firm efforts at persuasion. Even though the parsing and parrying may be exhausting for the writers, and nerves seem to be fraying a bit, the readers are better off for making it down this far. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, am loving the give and take in these comments. I hope neither Jeff nor Jay (nor, for that matter, Andrew, &#8220;Cooler Heads,&#8221; and the others) gives up on this type and style of discourse. Reading over the thread, I&#8217;m heartened to find genuine attempts at understanding and respectful if firm efforts at persuasion. Even though the parsing and parrying may be exhausting for the writers, and nerves seem to be fraying a bit, the readers are better off for making it down this far. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: kat</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as we condone and excuse these biases that make up the black experience in America, we will never make any progress.  We would not condone such preaching in a white church and we should not condone it in a black church.  Preacher number 2 is no better than Wright.  How is Obama going to explain his latest comments--it&#039;s a Black thing--you white folks wouldn&#039;t understand.  If Obama is a uniter and not a divider, he can&#039;t just make a pretty speech while the hate mongering from the Black pulpit continues.  You don&#039;t bridge divisions with this kind of crap directed at the young minds of Blacks.  This is divisive and teaches Blacks to think like the sick preacher, Wright.  That is how mullahs indoctrinate their young to hate America.  Their sermons are eerily similar to Wright&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we condone and excuse these biases that make up the black experience in America, we will never make any progress.  We would not condone such preaching in a white church and we should not condone it in a black church.  Preacher number 2 is no better than Wright.  How is Obama going to explain his latest comments&#8211;it&#8217;s a Black thing&#8211;you white folks wouldn&#8217;t understand.  If Obama is a uniter and not a divider, he can&#8217;t just make a pretty speech while the hate mongering from the Black pulpit continues.  You don&#8217;t bridge divisions with this kind of crap directed at the young minds of Blacks.  This is divisive and teaches Blacks to think like the sick preacher, Wright.  That is how mullahs indoctrinate their young to hate America.  Their sermons are eerily similar to Wright&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tyndall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Tyndall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff -- once again, I think you mischaracterize Obamaâ€™s speech. You say Obama is â€œdefending, justifying, explaining, embracing the thinking of a man who speaks [the] way [Wright does].â€

Stringing together all those verbs is not illuminating. I would say he wasâ€¦

...â€œdefendingâ€ his relationship with the preacher while criticizing Wrightâ€™s thinking and disavowing some of his sermonsâ€¦

...â€œjustifyingâ€ his own membership of the Trinity United congregation in whose pulpit those words were spokenâ€¦

...â€œexplainingâ€ the race-based bitterness of an historical mindset that could produce sermons that are now clearly anachronistic, divisive and counterproductiveâ€¦

...â€œembracingâ€ Wright himself as one would embrace a member of oneâ€™s family, prejudices and all.

The discourse of the African-American church, Obama explains â€œcontains, in full, the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and --yes -- the bitterness and biases that make up the black experience in America.â€

And Professor Rosen, I know you are â€œgetting out of this oneâ€ but before you do, I quibble with your comment to Jarvis that his disagreement with Obamaâ€™s decision not to leave his church is â€œa totally legitimate disagreement.â€ As we have gone back and forth in BuzzMachineâ€™s earlier thread &lt;a href=&quot;â€&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama Explains&lt;/a&gt;, this disagreement comes disquietingly close to an unConstitutional religious test for political office and is therefore not legitimate in our secular republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8212; once again, I think you mischaracterize Obamaâ€™s speech. You say Obama is â€œdefending, justifying, explaining, embracing the thinking of a man who speaks [the] way [Wright does].â€</p>
<p>Stringing together all those verbs is not illuminating. I would say he wasâ€¦</p>
<p>&#8230;â€œdefendingâ€ his relationship with the preacher while criticizing Wrightâ€™s thinking and disavowing some of his sermonsâ€¦</p>
<p>&#8230;â€œjustifyingâ€ his own membership of the Trinity United congregation in whose pulpit those words were spokenâ€¦</p>
<p>&#8230;â€œexplainingâ€ the race-based bitterness of an historical mindset that could produce sermons that are now clearly anachronistic, divisive and counterproductiveâ€¦</p>
<p>&#8230;â€œembracingâ€ Wright himself as one would embrace a member of oneâ€™s family, prejudices and all.</p>
<p>The discourse of the African-American church, Obama explains â€œcontains, in full, the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and &#8211;yes &#8212; the bitterness and biases that make up the black experience in America.â€</p>
<p>And Professor Rosen, I know you are â€œgetting out of this oneâ€ but before you do, I quibble with your comment to Jarvis that his disagreement with Obamaâ€™s decision not to leave his church is â€œa totally legitimate disagreement.â€ As we have gone back and forth in BuzzMachineâ€™s earlier thread <a href="â€" rel="nofollow">Obama Explains</a>, this disagreement comes disquietingly close to an unConstitutional religious test for political office and is therefore not legitimate in our secular republic.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler Heads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooler Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, what if Obama&#039;s political motives are simple? He went to church, he was close to the minister, he disagreed with some of what he said, he valued the man&#039;s spiritual guidance in bringing the Obama&#039;s closer to God.

But when people heard the soundbites, they started attacking Obama. The attacks hurt his chance to win the nomination. So he felt he needed to explain his relationship to Wright. The explanation is complicated and steeped in the murky and opaque attitudes of minorities and whites. So he decided to give a speech and try to talk about it.

He did. He gave a speech that shone a bright light into the dark cave of race relations, PC speech, suspicion and confusion about what people really think about each other. And he didn&#039;t defend Wright&#039;s words, but he did explain why he was close to the man.

You can say, he should have never been close to the man because of the words the Wright spoke. But the explanation itself is so sharp, so accurate that you shouldn&#039;t dismiss it. Obama&#039;s speech is brilliant because it opened something that whites really don&#039;t want to talk about it. And maybe blacks don&#039;t either. I don&#039;t know because I&#039;m not black and I&#039;m not privvy to conversations that take place about race in their community.

I know, though, that in the place I used to live, outside a big Midwestern city in a blue state, the liberal white moms supported affirmative action, were pro-choice, etc. But when the school district wanted to change the lines to bring more minorities into the school, they fought hard. They used the code word of &quot;class size&quot; as the weapon, rather than saying out loud that they didn&#039;t want a few poor, blacks to go to school with their kids. 

That&#039;s what Obama is talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, what if Obama&#8217;s political motives are simple? He went to church, he was close to the minister, he disagreed with some of what he said, he valued the man&#8217;s spiritual guidance in bringing the Obama&#8217;s closer to God.</p>
<p>But when people heard the soundbites, they started attacking Obama. The attacks hurt his chance to win the nomination. So he felt he needed to explain his relationship to Wright. The explanation is complicated and steeped in the murky and opaque attitudes of minorities and whites. So he decided to give a speech and try to talk about it.</p>
<p>He did. He gave a speech that shone a bright light into the dark cave of race relations, PC speech, suspicion and confusion about what people really think about each other. And he didn&#8217;t defend Wright&#8217;s words, but he did explain why he was close to the man.</p>
<p>You can say, he should have never been close to the man because of the words the Wright spoke. But the explanation itself is so sharp, so accurate that you shouldn&#8217;t dismiss it. Obama&#8217;s speech is brilliant because it opened something that whites really don&#8217;t want to talk about it. And maybe blacks don&#8217;t either. I don&#8217;t know because I&#8217;m not black and I&#8217;m not privvy to conversations that take place about race in their community.</p>
<p>I know, though, that in the place I used to live, outside a big Midwestern city in a blue state, the liberal white moms supported affirmative action, were pro-choice, etc. But when the school district wanted to change the lines to bring more minorities into the school, they fought hard. They used the code word of &#8220;class size&#8221; as the weapon, rather than saying out loud that they didn&#8217;t want a few poor, blacks to go to school with their kids. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what Obama is talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, and there&#039;s the nut of it after all: We disagree about our votes. 

Re HuffPo: I&#039;m not sure why anyone would want to be a newspaper. See David Carr&#039;s column today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, and there&#8217;s the nut of it after all: We disagree about our votes. </p>
<p>Re HuffPo: I&#8217;m not sure why anyone would want to be a newspaper. See David Carr&#8217;s column today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my reply got caught in your spam filter.  If you put more than one link into a comment, it thinks you are spam.  Cheers!</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, I am getting out of this one.  Everything I say seems to insult you.  That&#039;s no good.

Saying &quot;you&#039;re dead wrong&quot; isn&#039;t an argument, or an attempt at argument, Jeff.  It&#039;s just signaling to you how I feel.  I don&#039;t understand why that&#039;s so insulting.  I think you are wrong for supporting &quot;old politics&quot; Hillary, too.  So what?  

I don&#039;t have anything special to add parsing Obama&#039;s speech, which is a political speech and therefore has many overlapping motives.  But like many others I noticed that it isn&#039;t your typical &quot;distance yourself from...&quot; speech, even though that&#039;s part of what he is doing.  What &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/03/18/alan-wolfe-reviews-obama-s-speech.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alan Wolfe&lt;/a&gt; said at The Plank says it for me.

I&#039;m done with this subject, but you should do a post on whether the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Huffington Post&lt;/a&gt; actually is, as its tag line now says, &quot;The Internet Newspaper.&quot;  ( &quot;The Internet Newspaper: News, Blogs, Video, Community.&quot;)  See &lt;a href=&quot;http://poynter.org/column.asp?id=45&amp;aid=140072&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Romenesko&lt;/a&gt; today on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, I am getting out of this one.  Everything I say seems to insult you.  That&#8217;s no good.</p>
<p>Saying &#8220;you&#8217;re dead wrong&#8221; isn&#8217;t an argument, or an attempt at argument, Jeff.  It&#8217;s just signaling to you how I feel.  I don&#8217;t understand why that&#8217;s so insulting.  I think you are wrong for supporting &#8220;old politics&#8221; Hillary, too.  So what?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have anything special to add parsing Obama&#8217;s speech, which is a political speech and therefore has many overlapping motives.  But like many others I noticed that it isn&#8217;t your typical &#8220;distance yourself from&#8230;&#8221; speech, even though that&#8217;s part of what he is doing.  What <a href="http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/03/18/alan-wolfe-reviews-obama-s-speech.aspx" rel="nofollow">Alan Wolfe</a> said at The Plank says it for me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m done with this subject, but you should do a post on whether the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/" rel="nofollow">The Huffington Post</a> actually is, as its tag line now says, &#8220;The Internet Newspaper.&#8221;  ( &#8220;The Internet Newspaper: News, Blogs, Video, Community.&#8221;)  See <a href="http://poynter.org/column.asp?id=45&amp;aid=140072" rel="nofollow">Romenesko</a> today on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, 
You can&#039;t separate the fact that Obama did that defending Wright. He&#039;s &quot;dealing racial PC a huge blow&quot; by defending, justifying, explaining, embracing the thinking of a man who speaks this way. 
I&#039;d say that &quot;dead wrong&quot; is more Foxspeak than &quot;explain&quot; or &quot;justify,&quot; wouldn&#039;t you?
I&#039;d ask you to parse Obama&#039;s political motives with your usual depth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,<br />
You can&#8217;t separate the fact that Obama did that defending Wright. He&#8217;s &#8220;dealing racial PC a huge blow&#8221; by defending, justifying, explaining, embracing the thinking of a man who speaks this way.<br />
I&#8217;d say that &#8220;dead wrong&#8221; is more Foxspeak than &#8220;explain&#8221; or &#8220;justify,&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t you?<br />
I&#8217;d ask you to parse Obama&#8217;s political motives with your usual depth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?  You lost me.  I don&#039;t see how you got there, and I don&#039;t see that you have a correct paraphrase of what Caldwell said.  You have an incorrect paraphrase.  That Caldwell &quot;praises Obama for defending Wrightâ€™s intemperate language â€” well, except the worst of it â€” as the antidote,&quot; which is what you wrote, is not correct.  That is not what he&#039;s saying.  He doesn&#039;t think Wright&#039;s intemperate language is the antidote to anything.   He&#039;s not praising Obama for defending Wright.  He&#039;s praising Obama for dealing racial PC a huge blow.

Also, what&#039;s up with the conflation of &quot;explain&quot; and &quot;justify?&quot; That&#039;s shouting heads logic, that&#039;s thirty-second ad stuff.  Why do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?  You lost me.  I don&#8217;t see how you got there, and I don&#8217;t see that you have a correct paraphrase of what Caldwell said.  You have an incorrect paraphrase.  That Caldwell &#8220;praises Obama for defending Wrightâ€™s intemperate language â€” well, except the worst of it â€” as the antidote,&#8221; which is what you wrote, is not correct.  That is not what he&#8217;s saying.  He doesn&#8217;t think Wright&#8217;s intemperate language is the antidote to anything.   He&#8217;s not praising Obama for defending Wright.  He&#8217;s praising Obama for dealing racial PC a huge blow.</p>
<p>Also, what&#8217;s up with the conflation of &#8220;explain&#8221; and &#8220;justify?&#8221; That&#8217;s shouting heads logic, that&#8217;s thirty-second ad stuff.  Why do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, 
I grasp Caldwell&#039;s point. Don&#039;t insult me, friend. 
All this comes full circle to my original point: It is an attempt to justify Wright&#039;s hate-laced speech and it does that by making it a black thing I wouldn&#039;t understand. But I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,<br />
I grasp Caldwell&#8217;s point. Don&#8217;t insult me, friend.<br />
All this comes full circle to my original point: It is an attempt to justify Wright&#8217;s hate-laced speech and it does that by making it a black thing I wouldn&#8217;t understand. But I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mind you, I am no fan of political correctness.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly. You are  no fan of political correctness.  And because you disagree with Obama&#039;s decision not to leave his church--a totally legitimate disagreement-- you are missing one of the most interesting things about his speech, which is that it&#039;s the greatest blow to racial PC ever undertaken by an American politician.  

Obama said black Americans ought to be &quot;binding our particular grievances â€“ for better healthcare, and better schools, and better jobs â€“ to the larger aspirations of all Americans.&quot;  If that isn&#039;t your politics, I don&#039;t know what is, Jeff.  (Which of course is possible.)  The whole thrust of political correctness is the opposite way: never forget the particular grievances.

The argument that Caldwell is making you did not grasp.

He&#039;s not saying PC speech is the fault of white people and Wright is the antidote to all that.  He&#039;s saying that the kind of paranoia represented by some of Wright&#039;s more lurid suggestions has a connection to the &quot;speaking in code&quot; that settled over polite discourse, public discourse after it became difficult for whites to talk about racial differences without sounding racist.  He&#039;s saying PC speech isn&#039;t believable to black Americans, either.  They don&#039;t believe it represents what white people really think.  (Are they wrong?)  But since that&#039;s all they hear--PC plus code words that attempt to get around PC--they have to &lt;i&gt;imagine&lt;/i&gt; what the real feelings are, beneath the gobbledygook.  And that is part of the paranoia.  Cause of?  No.  Excuse for?  No again.  

Obama actually took this whole structure on and gave it a big shove.  You should be cheering that.  Caldwell:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The US has not managed to eliminate racism, [yet] it has succeeded in eliminating racist talk. Remarks the slightest bit â€œinsensitiveâ€ draw draconian punishment. White people, because they feel thoroughly oppressed by this regime, assume that it must be some kind of â€œgiftâ€ to minorities, especially blacks.

It is not. It is more like a torment. It renders the power structure more opaque to blacks than it has ever been, leaving what Mr Jackson calls a â€œscary disconnect between the specifics of what gets said and the hazy possibilities of what kinds of things are truly meantâ€. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The very dialog that has burst forth from Obama&#039;s speech showed that it lessened some of the oppression of the linguistic regime we have been caught within.  It&#039;s hard for me to believe that your free speech self cannot see that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mind you, I am no fan of political correctness.</i></p>
<p>Exactly. You are  no fan of political correctness.  And because you disagree with Obama&#8217;s decision not to leave his church&#8211;a totally legitimate disagreement&#8211; you are missing one of the most interesting things about his speech, which is that it&#8217;s the greatest blow to racial PC ever undertaken by an American politician.  </p>
<p>Obama said black Americans ought to be &#8220;binding our particular grievances â€“ for better healthcare, and better schools, and better jobs â€“ to the larger aspirations of all Americans.&#8221;  If that isn&#8217;t your politics, I don&#8217;t know what is, Jeff.  (Which of course is possible.)  The whole thrust of political correctness is the opposite way: never forget the particular grievances.</p>
<p>The argument that Caldwell is making you did not grasp.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s not saying PC speech is the fault of white people and Wright is the antidote to all that.  He&#8217;s saying that the kind of paranoia represented by some of Wright&#8217;s more lurid suggestions has a connection to the &#8220;speaking in code&#8221; that settled over polite discourse, public discourse after it became difficult for whites to talk about racial differences without sounding racist.  He&#8217;s saying PC speech isn&#8217;t believable to black Americans, either.  They don&#8217;t believe it represents what white people really think.  (Are they wrong?)  But since that&#8217;s all they hear&#8211;PC plus code words that attempt to get around PC&#8211;they have to <i>imagine</i> what the real feelings are, beneath the gobbledygook.  And that is part of the paranoia.  Cause of?  No.  Excuse for?  No again.  </p>
<p>Obama actually took this whole structure on and gave it a big shove.  You should be cheering that.  Caldwell:</p>
<blockquote><p>The US has not managed to eliminate racism, [yet] it has succeeded in eliminating racist talk. Remarks the slightest bit â€œinsensitiveâ€ draw draconian punishment. White people, because they feel thoroughly oppressed by this regime, assume that it must be some kind of â€œgiftâ€ to minorities, especially blacks.</p>
<p>It is not. It is more like a torment. It renders the power structure more opaque to blacks than it has ever been, leaving what Mr Jackson calls a â€œscary disconnect between the specifics of what gets said and the hazy possibilities of what kinds of things are truly meantâ€. </p></blockquote>
<p>The very dialog that has burst forth from Obama&#8217;s speech showed that it lessened some of the oppression of the linguistic regime we have been caught within.  It&#8217;s hard for me to believe that your free speech self cannot see that.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After running the gauntlet of the FT&#039;s barbed wire, I finally managed to read the column. (To other readers who want to read Jay&#039;s link, don&#039;t click on it but go to FT.com, click on columnists, and read Caldwell&#039;s on Obama&#039;s speech.) 

&quot;Wrong&quot; is such a shallow, simplistic word. It&#039;s a pillow thrown. 

&quot;Wrong&quot;? That&#039;s the sort of one-dimensional language Caldwell  himself dismisses, a kind of political incorrectness: &quot;You are wrong, which makes me right.&quot;

I find Caldwell&#039;s column a bit dizzying, for he blames careful speech, inoffensive speech, a dismissal of hate speech, political correctness -- judge it as you will -- on white people and praises Obama for defending Wright&#039;s intemperate language -- well, except the worst of it -- as the antidote.

Mind you, I am no fan of political correctness. I am, after all, a fan of Howard Stern&#039;s; he&#039;s my intemperate one. I agree with Caldwell that far: that we need to cut through the fog and have an honest and direct discussion. 

But Wright is no model of progressive tolerance, any more than is Falwell or Robertson. 

This story is about many things. It is about religion; that is another discussion. It is about company kept and advisers heard. It is about language, indeed. It is about racism. It is about history. It is also about views of Obama -- his own and others&#039; -- as the son of a black man or a white woman or as the multicultural American and the significance of each. It is about allegiances and loyalties and priorities. It is about rhetoric and meaning. It is about media coverage. It is about so much. &quot;Wrong&quot; doesn&#039;t do the discussion justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After running the gauntlet of the FT&#8217;s barbed wire, I finally managed to read the column. (To other readers who want to read Jay&#8217;s link, don&#8217;t click on it but go to FT.com, click on columnists, and read Caldwell&#8217;s on Obama&#8217;s speech.) </p>
<p>&#8220;Wrong&#8221; is such a shallow, simplistic word. It&#8217;s a pillow thrown. </p>
<p>&#8220;Wrong&#8221;? That&#8217;s the sort of one-dimensional language Caldwell  himself dismisses, a kind of political incorrectness: &#8220;You are wrong, which makes me right.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find Caldwell&#8217;s column a bit dizzying, for he blames careful speech, inoffensive speech, a dismissal of hate speech, political correctness &#8212; judge it as you will &#8212; on white people and praises Obama for defending Wright&#8217;s intemperate language &#8212; well, except the worst of it &#8212; as the antidote.</p>
<p>Mind you, I am no fan of political correctness. I am, after all, a fan of Howard Stern&#8217;s; he&#8217;s my intemperate one. I agree with Caldwell that far: that we need to cut through the fog and have an honest and direct discussion. </p>
<p>But Wright is no model of progressive tolerance, any more than is Falwell or Robertson. </p>
<p>This story is about many things. It is about religion; that is another discussion. It is about company kept and advisers heard. It is about language, indeed. It is about racism. It is about history. It is also about views of Obama &#8212; his own and others&#8217; &#8212; as the son of a black man or a white woman or as the multicultural American and the significance of each. It is about allegiances and loyalties and priorities. It is about rhetoric and meaning. It is about media coverage. It is about so much. &#8220;Wrong&#8221; doesn&#8217;t do the discussion justice.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And fun. Just in time for New York&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://cityguideny.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=9713&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;official pillow fight&lt;/a&gt; day. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And fun. Just in time for New York&#8217;s <a href="http://cityguideny.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=9713" rel="nofollow">official pillow fight</a> day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ab26ee84-f762-11dc-ac40-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a column&lt;/a&gt; you should read about Obama&#039;s speech, and as someone who believes in free speech, you ought to appreciate it.  I think you are dead wrong about the speech, and I am glad my wife threw a pillow at your head for it.  That was inventive and expressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:  <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ab26ee84-f762-11dc-ac40-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a column</a> you should read about Obama&#8217;s speech, and as someone who believes in free speech, you ought to appreciate it.  I think you are dead wrong about the speech, and I am glad my wife threw a pillow at your head for it.  That was inventive and expressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Woody,
Actually, I think it&#039;s underanalyzed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Woody,<br />
Actually, I think it&#8217;s underanalyzed.</p>
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		<dc:creator>a. woody delauder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think at this point, anything that Obama says will be over-analyzed.  Everyone is looking for any slip up in his speeches.  If he were to blow smoke, as every other candidate does, I wouldn&#039;t be voting for him.  He stood up, told the race story as he knew it, and thats it.  Complete honesty is what I am looking for in a candidate.

If Obama gave a different speech there would still be criticism.  If he was to blow smoke, everyone would complain about him being able to talk a good game with no action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think at this point, anything that Obama says will be over-analyzed.  Everyone is looking for any slip up in his speeches.  If he were to blow smoke, as every other candidate does, I wouldn&#8217;t be voting for him.  He stood up, told the race story as he knew it, and thats it.  Complete honesty is what I am looking for in a candidate.</p>
<p>If Obama gave a different speech there would still be criticism.  If he was to blow smoke, everyone would complain about him being able to talk a good game with no action.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cooler,
Well said. And I&quot;m glad to know more about you -- for the sake of this discussion and in general. 
And I agree that the experiences are different, the worldviews are different, the burdens are different -- as are many of the sources of pride and the joys. In my nostalgia for the melting pot, I don&#039;t mean to try to erase or devalue those differences. But I still remain hopeful that we can bridge those differences -- indeed, that is precisely what Obama promises to do. Yet I do not think it is possible when faced with Wright&#039;s divisive language of hate. To say the least, it&#039;s not helpful to the nation or, for that matter, to Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cooler,<br />
Well said. And I&#8221;m glad to know more about you &#8212; for the sake of this discussion and in general.<br />
And I agree that the experiences are different, the worldviews are different, the burdens are different &#8212; as are many of the sources of pride and the joys. In my nostalgia for the melting pot, I don&#8217;t mean to try to erase or devalue those differences. But I still remain hopeful that we can bridge those differences &#8212; indeed, that is precisely what Obama promises to do. Yet I do not think it is possible when faced with Wright&#8217;s divisive language of hate. To say the least, it&#8217;s not helpful to the nation or, for that matter, to Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/03/21/you-wouldnt-understand/#comment-371881</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much, Andrew. Most appreciated. 
(But I&#039;m not a heathen, too. I&#039;ve left what is likely my last church. That -- and likely its relationship to this discussion -- is fodder for another post. But not until I get more of the book written!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much, Andrew. Most appreciated.<br />
(But I&#8217;m not a heathen, too. I&#8217;ve left what is likely my last church. That &#8212; and likely its relationship to this discussion &#8212; is fodder for another post. But not until I get more of the book written!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, I&#039;m not saying that people who liked it did so because it&#039;s popular. I am saying that not liking it is unpopular. Why, the wife if a good friend of mine threw a couch pillow at me over my opinion.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, I&#8217;m not saying that people who liked it did so because it&#8217;s popular. I am saying that not liking it is unpopular. Why, the wife if a good friend of mine threw a couch pillow at me over my opinion&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tyndall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Tyndall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff --

Accept my apology for demanding at least a master&#039;s thesis from you on this Saturday afternoon, if not quite a book. I mean that sincerely, not tongue in cheek.

I respect Eric Deggans&#039; journalism in this area. I happen to be an occasional source when he writes on television news. It was his nuance that inspired my convoluted inquiry to you.

Your reply is, I think, on point: &quot;I donâ€™t think I need to convince you that Wrightâ€™s language is divisive. Barack Obama has called it divisive.&quot;

I find &quot;divisive&quot; a subtler, calmer and more accurate description than your earlier &quot;racism is racism and I believe it should be condemned.â€ The point of my rather pompous question was to find a way to mitigate that former, blunter formulation.

As an atheist to a Christian, allow me to wish you the blessings of the season in the hope of understanding, tolerance, reconciliation -- and life renewed.

Cheers -- Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211;</p>
<p>Accept my apology for demanding at least a master&#8217;s thesis from you on this Saturday afternoon, if not quite a book. I mean that sincerely, not tongue in cheek.</p>
<p>I respect Eric Deggans&#8217; journalism in this area. I happen to be an occasional source when he writes on television news. It was his nuance that inspired my convoluted inquiry to you.</p>
<p>Your reply is, I think, on point: &#8220;I donâ€™t think I need to convince you that Wrightâ€™s language is divisive. Barack Obama has called it divisive.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find &#8220;divisive&#8221; a subtler, calmer and more accurate description than your earlier &#8220;racism is racism and I believe it should be condemned.â€ The point of my rather pompous question was to find a way to mitigate that former, blunter formulation.</p>
<p>As an atheist to a Christian, allow me to wish you the blessings of the season in the hope of understanding, tolerance, reconciliation &#8212; and life renewed.</p>
<p>Cheers &#8212; Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Ziskind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Ziskind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you certainly struck a chord - proving racial, religious, and ethnic bigotry are still extremely hot buttons in this country. It is great to see how many people responded and how the threads of discussion are evolving. Not to sound too Pollyana-ish, but I think anything that forces discourse on this 800 pound gorilla, which is our country&#039;s dirty little secret, can&#039;t be all bad.

That said, I think your choice of words in the very first sentence, &quot;worshipful&quot;, is the thing that makes me most uneasy about this man. He should represent everything I&#039;m looking for in a presidential candidate, he&#039;s smart, insightful, engaging, articulate, moral, and charismatic. But instead, I find the aura of worship that has materialized around him, this &quot;cult of Obama&quot;, to be sort of scary. There seems to be an appetite among Democrats to anoint a saviour. To find someone who will weave such a dazzling vision of peace and stability and unity that, like desert wanderers dying of thirst, we will flock to him to drink the KoolAid. And anyone (including other Democrats) who challenges this saviour is a spoiler who must be stopped. I would like to think that both Democratic candidates have strengths that should be carefully and reasonably evaluated as we make decisions. I would prefer not to have a preference for Hilary be considered heretical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you certainly struck a chord &#8211; proving racial, religious, and ethnic bigotry are still extremely hot buttons in this country. It is great to see how many people responded and how the threads of discussion are evolving. Not to sound too Pollyana-ish, but I think anything that forces discourse on this 800 pound gorilla, which is our country&#8217;s dirty little secret, can&#8217;t be all bad.</p>
<p>That said, I think your choice of words in the very first sentence, &#8220;worshipful&#8221;, is the thing that makes me most uneasy about this man. He should represent everything I&#8217;m looking for in a presidential candidate, he&#8217;s smart, insightful, engaging, articulate, moral, and charismatic. But instead, I find the aura of worship that has materialized around him, this &#8220;cult of Obama&#8221;, to be sort of scary. There seems to be an appetite among Democrats to anoint a saviour. To find someone who will weave such a dazzling vision of peace and stability and unity that, like desert wanderers dying of thirst, we will flock to him to drink the KoolAid. And anyone (including other Democrats) who challenges this saviour is a spoiler who must be stopped. I would like to think that both Democratic candidates have strengths that should be carefully and reasonably evaluated as we make decisions. I would prefer not to have a preference for Hilary be considered heretical.</p>
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		<title>By: Cooler Heads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooler Heads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to think I wasn&#039;t prejuidice because I was &quot;colorblind.&quot; I saw all people equally. And because of that I thought that others who saw race weren&#039;t as moral and righteous as I.

But not seeing race is actually white racism, to some extent. Because whites like me have benefited from years of the benefits of being white in the US. And while I don&#039;t like affirmative action, I also understand that growing up black, and being a black adult in America means having an experience vastly different from my own. To not see that, to turn away from that truth, is to engage in a subtle and somewhat unconcious form of racism. I affirm my goodness by being colorblind, and at the same time engage in racism by being unwilling to see that race and racism are a big part of what is at work in the US.

I am also a woman, and I agree with all the research that says of all disadvantaged groups, white women have had the best deal under affirmative action. White women have done very well in comparison to men and women of color. Without question. We outnumber men in college and graduate school. We outnumber both male and female minorities in same. Women who follow the exact same career trajectory as men (meaning no time out for childrearing, no parttime jobs, etc, same grueling path to the top) make as much money as their male counterparts. (Most women wisely opt out of that grind.)

While I don&#039;t care for some of what Rev. Wright says, I understand that he says it in a context many whites may not fully grasp. And clearly, the soundbites played on the news and on Fox, ripped out of the rest of sermon, are not reflective of what he meant entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to think I wasn&#8217;t prejuidice because I was &#8220;colorblind.&#8221; I saw all people equally. And because of that I thought that others who saw race weren&#8217;t as moral and righteous as I.</p>
<p>But not seeing race is actually white racism, to some extent. Because whites like me have benefited from years of the benefits of being white in the US. And while I don&#8217;t like affirmative action, I also understand that growing up black, and being a black adult in America means having an experience vastly different from my own. To not see that, to turn away from that truth, is to engage in a subtle and somewhat unconcious form of racism. I affirm my goodness by being colorblind, and at the same time engage in racism by being unwilling to see that race and racism are a big part of what is at work in the US.</p>
<p>I am also a woman, and I agree with all the research that says of all disadvantaged groups, white women have had the best deal under affirmative action. White women have done very well in comparison to men and women of color. Without question. We outnumber men in college and graduate school. We outnumber both male and female minorities in same. Women who follow the exact same career trajectory as men (meaning no time out for childrearing, no parttime jobs, etc, same grueling path to the top) make as much money as their male counterparts. (Most women wisely opt out of that grind.)</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t care for some of what Rev. Wright says, I understand that he says it in a context many whites may not fully grasp. And clearly, the soundbites played on the news and on Fox, ripped out of the rest of sermon, are not reflective of what he meant entirely.</p>
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