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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Market Stalinism</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/05/08/tearing-down-the-news-opinion-divide/#comment-375129</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Market Stalinism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: FreieNetze.de &#187; Links fÃ¼r den 15.05.2008</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/05/08/tearing-down-the-news-opinion-divide/#comment-375097</link>
		<dc:creator>FreieNetze.de &#187; Links fÃ¼r den 15.05.2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/05/08/tearing-down-the-news-opinion-divide/#comment-374956</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 01:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News publishers are to truth what search engines are to relevance: the best they can do is help their users/readers make decisions more effectively and efficiently. Moreover, a large part of both jobs is to filter out dreck and earn the faith of their user/readers by offering a consistent experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News publishers are to truth what search engines are to relevance: the best they can do is help their users/readers make decisions more effectively and efficiently. Moreover, a large part of both jobs is to filter out dreck and earn the faith of their user/readers by offering a consistent experience.</p>
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		<title>By: William Plasencia - Personality is not opinion</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/05/08/tearing-down-the-news-opinion-divide/#comment-374822</link>
		<dc:creator>William Plasencia - Personality is not opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis&#8216; take on the supposed divide between what&#8217;s presented in mainstream media as opinion and what&#8217;s presented as news. He very aptly pegs Nick Denton&#8217;s constant barrage on mainstream media as an assault [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jarvis&#8216; take on the supposed divide between what&#8217;s presented in mainstream media as opinion and what&#8217;s presented as news. He very aptly pegs Nick Denton&#8217;s constant barrage on mainstream media as an assault [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/05/08/tearing-down-the-news-opinion-divide/#comment-374778</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shockingly, I see similarities between Denton&#039;s argument and your comments at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.groundreport.com/Politics/The-New-Media-Moguls-Talk-Politics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;panel on the web and politics&lt;/a&gt;. Even Arianna Huffington and Jay Rosen agreed that more opinion in news was needed-- but for a different reason: the media&#039;s responsibility, the duties of the Fourth Estate.

Arianna said: They feel that in order to be &quot;fair&quot;, in order to be neutral, in order to be objective, they have to give equal time to two sides of a story, even if a story does not have two sides...we are beginning to break this.

And Jay Rosen asserted: You actually lose people&#039;s trust when you do not take a position.

And your own closing statement Jeff:
Jeff Jarvis: I think the media thought they were the owners of truth to some extent, and that&#039;s simplistic and stupid but I will say it anyway. I think that they forgot that their job was to help them decide what was true, at the end of the day, the citizenry must decide what is true and who is legitimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shockingly, I see similarities between Denton&#8217;s argument and your comments at the <a href="http://www.groundreport.com/Politics/The-New-Media-Moguls-Talk-Politics" rel="nofollow">panel on the web and politics</a>. Even Arianna Huffington and Jay Rosen agreed that more opinion in news was needed&#8211; but for a different reason: the media&#8217;s responsibility, the duties of the Fourth Estate.</p>
<p>Arianna said: They feel that in order to be &#8220;fair&#8221;, in order to be neutral, in order to be objective, they have to give equal time to two sides of a story, even if a story does not have two sides&#8230;we are beginning to break this.</p>
<p>And Jay Rosen asserted: You actually lose people&#8217;s trust when you do not take a position.</p>
<p>And your own closing statement Jeff:<br />
Jeff Jarvis: I think the media thought they were the owners of truth to some extent, and that&#8217;s simplistic and stupid but I will say it anyway. I think that they forgot that their job was to help them decide what was true, at the end of the day, the citizenry must decide what is true and who is legitimate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/05/08/tearing-down-the-news-opinion-divide/#comment-374759</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 12:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen Greenslade &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/greenslade/2008/05/in_my_opinion_lets_stick_to_th.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on this issue&lt;/a&gt;?  It&#039;s occasioned by Denton&#039;s post?  Surprisingly conservative, almost curmudgeonly column.

It&#039;s even got the classical form of the curmudegeon column: the &quot;widespread&quot; belief that no one holds, and that the column effortlessly debunks.  Thus...

&quot;There is a widespread belief that the journalistic future is commentary, analysis and opinion. News will take care of itself. The raw data will somehow appear, whether in print or on screen, and the &#039;added value&#039; will be the spin.&quot;

Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen Greenslade <a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/greenslade/2008/05/in_my_opinion_lets_stick_to_th.html" rel="nofollow">on this issue</a>?  It&#8217;s occasioned by Denton&#8217;s post?  Surprisingly conservative, almost curmudgeonly column.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s even got the classical form of the curmudegeon column: the &#8220;widespread&#8221; belief that no one holds, and that the column effortlessly debunks.  Thus&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a widespread belief that the journalistic future is commentary, analysis and opinion. News will take care of itself. The raw data will somehow appear, whether in print or on screen, and the &#8216;added value&#8217; will be the spin.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Washingtonpost.com Partners with TechCrunch Digital Phocus: &#8220;Focused on the Business of the Web&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Washingtonpost.com Partners with TechCrunch Digital Phocus: &#8220;Focused on the Business of the Web&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 11:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christian Grantham</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/05/08/tearing-down-the-news-opinion-divide/#comment-374706</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Grantham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, must you look the gift horse in the mouth and expose on your blog  the army of opinion therein that awaits the Gray Lady? Let the horse pass through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, must you look the gift horse in the mouth and expose on your blog  the army of opinion therein that awaits the Gray Lady? Let the horse pass through.</p>
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		<title>By: De vervagende grens tussen nieuws en opinie &#8212; Jaap Stronks&#8217; onderwijsblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>De vervagende grens tussen nieuws en opinie &#8212; Jaap Stronks&#8217; onderwijsblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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