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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: MyPartToHelp</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376773</link>
		<dc:creator>MyPartToHelp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as a "Clinton Democrat" I have to say that her decision to leave her name on the ballot did not defy party rules.  Party rules required "no campaigning" which neither did in MI.  Keep in mind that eventually Obama took the same initiative by placing his name on FL ballot.  Moreover, my Dad has VHS footage of Obama airing TV ads in FL, which is clearly against DNC mandate not to campaign there.  So who "circumvents the system" after all.

I respect Obama's strategy efforts in this primary.  But the nastiness we have shown one another defies all sense of 'unity.'  Original Pechanga's comments, above, for example, are a perfect example of why the party is divided.  Original Pechanga, why are you attacking Hillary supporters?  After all, you will need us come November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as a &#8220;Clinton Democrat&#8221; I have to say that her decision to leave her name on the ballot did not defy party rules.  Party rules required &#8220;no campaigning&#8221; which neither did in MI.  Keep in mind that eventually Obama took the same initiative by placing his name on FL ballot.  Moreover, my Dad has VHS footage of Obama airing TV ads in FL, which is clearly against DNC mandate not to campaign there.  So who &#8220;circumvents the system&#8221; after all.</p>
<p>I respect Obama&#8217;s strategy efforts in this primary.  But the nastiness we have shown one another defies all sense of &#8216;unity.&#8217;  Original Pechanga&#8217;s comments, above, for example, are a perfect example of why the party is divided.  Original Pechanga, why are you attacking Hillary supporters?  After all, you will need us come November.</p>
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		<title>By: We&#8217;re angry, uneducated and unhealthy. Now what? &#124; RatZine - Rat stinkin news</title>
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		<dc:creator>We&#8217;re angry, uneducated and unhealthy. Now what? &#124; RatZine - Rat stinkin news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis said something that got my fur up: Only Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan had an irrefutable point. &#8216;We&#8217;ve got a totally irrational system of nominating our president,&#8217; he said. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis said something that got my fur up: Only Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan had an irrefutable point. &#8216;We&#8217;ve got a totally irrational system of nominating our president,&#8217; he said. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Original Pechanga</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376546</link>
		<dc:creator>Original Pechanga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations to Senator Obama.     I hope he can run the rest of the way without looking for daggers in his back from Hillary's Camp. 

Good riddance to she AND Bill, though not necessarily in that order.

Now, Senators, put some teeth into the Indian Civil Rights Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to Senator Obama.     I hope he can run the rest of the way without looking for daggers in his back from Hillary&#8217;s Camp. </p>
<p>Good riddance to she AND Bill, though not necessarily in that order.</p>
<p>Now, Senators, put some teeth into the Indian Civil Rights Act.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading across the blog-sphere there seems to be a growing notion that HRC intends to try and hold the Democratic party hostage. If she doesn't get the nod then she will work her darndest to ensure Obama loses the general election. That will have the two-fold benefit of being a national "I told you so," as well as (at least in her mind) putting her first in line for the 2012 race.

Of course, that makes a complete lie of her contention she is in this for the benefit of the country. If she disagrees with the Bush policies that McCain intends to perpetuate (like execution of the war in Iraq) then she should be willing to sacrifice her own ambitions for such a cause. Purely on Democratic terms, if she screws up the election and the fighting continues in Iraq for four more years (something she and Obama both claim to oppose) then she will be directly responsible for the death of every soldier and civilian from the inauguration forward.

Personally, I don't believe any of the candidates are in this for anything other than themselves. That is the true nature of our political system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading across the blog-sphere there seems to be a growing notion that HRC intends to try and hold the Democratic party hostage. If she doesn&#8217;t get the nod then she will work her darndest to ensure Obama loses the general election. That will have the two-fold benefit of being a national &#8220;I told you so,&#8221; as well as (at least in her mind) putting her first in line for the 2012 race.</p>
<p>Of course, that makes a complete lie of her contention she is in this for the benefit of the country. If she disagrees with the Bush policies that McCain intends to perpetuate (like execution of the war in Iraq) then she should be willing to sacrifice her own ambitions for such a cause. Purely on Democratic terms, if she screws up the election and the fighting continues in Iraq for four more years (something she and Obama both claim to oppose) then she will be directly responsible for the death of every soldier and civilian from the inauguration forward.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t believe any of the candidates are in this for anything other than themselves. That is the true nature of our political system.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S.</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376434</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"To lose and claim the rules are broken is … (fill in the adjective)."

"Democratish."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To lose and claim the rules are broken is … (fill in the adjective).&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Democratish.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Asi Burak</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376428</link>
		<dc:creator>Asi Burak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with @Jeremy on the basic premise, although i would phrase it differently.  The way the Clinton Campaign and her supporters are facing their defeat is disturbing.  Perhaps the "American Way" dictates the formula of "win or nothing", I still believe there is something about losing with dignity.  So here is the story:

- Hillary leads, she talks about the wonderful democratic process.  She has no problem with the caucuses, super delegates nor the decision to punish Florida and Michigan.  In fact, she agrees NOT TO CAMPAIGN in these states.

- Hillary starts losing, she now shifts her focus to the super delegates, talks about those "experienced people in the party" that should have their say.

- Hillary loses on super delegates.  She now talks about the "popular vote", a term and math that lives only in her campaign (all delegates minus caucuses).  And of course- let's get back Florida and Michigan where we agreed not to run but I happened to win.  Worse- Obama's name was not even on the ballot in Michigan.

Yes, maybe the system is broken.  Yes, maybe the Dems can come up with a better solution.  But let's do it in 4 years, or if we have a problem let's change the system beforehand.  To lose and claim the rules are broken is ... (fill in the adjective).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with @Jeremy on the basic premise, although i would phrase it differently.  The way the Clinton Campaign and her supporters are facing their defeat is disturbing.  Perhaps the &#8220;American Way&#8221; dictates the formula of &#8220;win or nothing&#8221;, I still believe there is something about losing with dignity.  So here is the story:</p>
<p>- Hillary leads, she talks about the wonderful democratic process.  She has no problem with the caucuses, super delegates nor the decision to punish Florida and Michigan.  In fact, she agrees NOT TO CAMPAIGN in these states.</p>
<p>- Hillary starts losing, she now shifts her focus to the super delegates, talks about those &#8220;experienced people in the party&#8221; that should have their say.</p>
<p>- Hillary loses on super delegates.  She now talks about the &#8220;popular vote&#8221;, a term and math that lives only in her campaign (all delegates minus caucuses).  And of course- let&#8217;s get back Florida and Michigan where we agreed not to run but I happened to win.  Worse- Obama&#8217;s name was not even on the ballot in Michigan.</p>
<p>Yes, maybe the system is broken.  Yes, maybe the Dems can come up with a better solution.  But let&#8217;s do it in 4 years, or if we have a problem let&#8217;s change the system beforehand.  To lose and claim the rules are broken is &#8230; (fill in the adjective).</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376413</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#  Jeff Jarvis Says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 am

Jeesh, don’t you people read? I’m complaining about the Democrats choosing not electing. Make sure you have the right target before firing.

Jeff, you set youself up for it by using an analogy that is as divisive for Republicans vs. Democrats as the current controversy is within the Democratic Party itself, and then expect all of your readers to accept it as a given, as if the March 2001 USA Today report or the September 2001 report from the New York Times and a consortium of other newspapers, showing Bush would have won virtually every possible recount method, never existed. 

With everything today readily available on the Internet, if you put a post up like that on a website with a comments section, it's going to get commented on by people who disagree with the starting premise, even if they agree with your conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  Jeff Jarvis Says:<br />
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 am</p>
<p>Jeesh, don’t you people read? I’m complaining about the Democrats choosing not electing. Make sure you have the right target before firing.</p>
<p>Jeff, you set youself up for it by using an analogy that is as divisive for Republicans vs. Democrats as the current controversy is within the Democratic Party itself, and then expect all of your readers to accept it as a given, as if the March 2001 USA Today report or the September 2001 report from the New York Times and a consortium of other newspapers, showing Bush would have won virtually every possible recount method, never existed. </p>
<p>With everything today readily available on the Internet, if you put a post up like that on a website with a comments section, it&#8217;s going to get commented on by people who disagree with the starting premise, even if they agree with your conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Pundit &#187; Rationalizations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Pundit &#187; Rationalizations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » The day the Democrats lost it Only Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan had an irrefutable point. “We’ve got a totally irrational system of nominating our president,” he said. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hasty Punishment in January-Poor Decision In June &#171; Only On Mondays</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376405</link>
		<dc:creator>Hasty Punishment in January-Poor Decision In June &#171; Only On Mondays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a Democrat in November!!  Our party is split.  Just ask Davehttp://www.scripting.com/and Jeff http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/&#8211;two bloggers with opposing views.  I implore you, neither listen to nor take cheap shots at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a Democrat in November!!  Our party is split.  Just ask Davehttp://www.scripting.com/and Jeff http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/&#8211;two bloggers with opposing views.  I implore you, neither listen to nor take cheap shots at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If by some turn of events Obama does not win in November (unlikely at best), one of the most influential factors will have been unrelenting, fact-adverse Clinton supporters like YOU, Jeff. The disingenious arguments that this primary process has somehow been rendered illegitimate just because your favorite candidate didn't win will be at the root of the blinded HRC supporters feeling like they have been "robbed" somehow. 

Keep putting it out there. Keep making the argument. The McSame presidency will be on YOU and completely the fault of your ilk. Somehow I doubt you will all recognize how terribly wrong you were and how sadly you've cut off your nose in spite of your face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If by some turn of events Obama does not win in November (unlikely at best), one of the most influential factors will have been unrelenting, fact-adverse Clinton supporters like YOU, Jeff. The disingenious arguments that this primary process has somehow been rendered illegitimate just because your favorite candidate didn&#8217;t win will be at the root of the blinded HRC supporters feeling like they have been &#8220;robbed&#8221; somehow. </p>
<p>Keep putting it out there. Keep making the argument. The McSame presidency will be on YOU and completely the fault of your ilk. Somehow I doubt you will all recognize how terribly wrong you were and how sadly you&#8217;ve cut off your nose in spite of your face.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jon Ausman, the election of 1876 was not a case of Republicans stealing electoral votes from the Democrats, it was about Republicans selling the Negros back to the Southern Democrats in exchange for the presidency of Hayes. 

If you will recall, the deal was, Hayes got the Presidency, and reconstruction ended and the southern states could do whatever they wanted locally. 

We are still reaping that harvest, and the Democrats are as much to blame as the Republicans. And if I were black, I would be damned before I would vote for anyone in either party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jon Ausman, the election of 1876 was not a case of Republicans stealing electoral votes from the Democrats, it was about Republicans selling the Negros back to the Southern Democrats in exchange for the presidency of Hayes. </p>
<p>If you will recall, the deal was, Hayes got the Presidency, and reconstruction ended and the southern states could do whatever they wanted locally. </p>
<p>We are still reaping that harvest, and the Democrats are as much to blame as the Republicans. And if I were black, I would be damned before I would vote for anyone in either party.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Jaffa</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376399</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Jaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt S. -

If Bush believed that a recount in certain precincts would have showed an undercount, then he could have asked the courts for relief.

Gore asked for a recount where he believed a recount would show an original undercount for him.

That is how lawsuits work: &lt;b&gt;you ask a court for relief where you need it.&lt;/b&gt;

If a dry cleaner ruins one shirt you gave him, you don't sue the cleaners over other shirts which weren't ruined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt S. -</p>
<p>If Bush believed that a recount in certain precincts would have showed an undercount, then he could have asked the courts for relief.</p>
<p>Gore asked for a recount where he believed a recount would show an original undercount for him.</p>
<p>That is how lawsuits work: <b>you ask a court for relief where you need it.</b></p>
<p>If a dry cleaner ruins one shirt you gave him, you don&#8217;t sue the cleaners over other shirts which weren&#8217;t ruined.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376398</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeesh, don't you people read? I'm complaining about the Democrats choosing not electing. Make sure you have the right target before firing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeesh, don&#8217;t you people read? I&#8217;m complaining about the Democrats choosing not electing. Make sure you have the right target before firing.</p>
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		<title>By: syn</title>
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		<dc:creator>syn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Astonishingly ignorant comment by Jarvis re Florida election, courts etc.
This man is a J school graduate? Figures."

Yup and it's the reason why Obama is now a Messiah and the Democratic Party is a complete fraud.  And why TV people are an illusion created by useful idiots.

Jeff Jarvis, why not just call yourself a member of the "Selected, Not Elected" Party and call it a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Astonishingly ignorant comment by Jarvis re Florida election, courts etc.<br />
This man is a J school graduate? Figures.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yup and it&#8217;s the reason why Obama is now a Messiah and the Democratic Party is a complete fraud.  And why TV people are an illusion created by useful idiots.</p>
<p>Jeff Jarvis, why not just call yourself a member of the &#8220;Selected, Not Elected&#8221; Party and call it a day.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMc</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnMc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Mr. Levin; YOU have an irrational way of picking nominees for your party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Mr. Levin; YOU have an irrational way of picking nominees for your party.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;A totally irrational system of nominating&#8221; &#62;&#62; liberal.family</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;A totally irrational system of nominating&#8221; &#62;&#62; liberal.family</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: P Ingemi</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376381</link>
		<dc:creator>P Ingemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the super's votes don't actually count until the convention when they are actually cast Sen Obama will not have the nominnation until the convention.

Sen. Clinton can argue that since some of her delegates flipped that it is possible that they and others will flip back.  It is a valid point.

The Clintons being the Clintons are going to give the party a choice, either try to win in 08 with her at the top of the ticket or lose and see her come back in '12.

I suspect that there will be a regular trickle of Obama tapes etc leading up to the convention, if not then they will be released near enough to the election to swing it to McCain.

This is the result of the party choosing to use an unvetted candidate of the far left.  If the party actually wanted a strong black candidate they would have nominated Harold Ford who is far superior on both the issues and on experience.

But you get what you pay for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the super&#8217;s votes don&#8217;t actually count until the convention when they are actually cast Sen Obama will not have the nominnation until the convention.</p>
<p>Sen. Clinton can argue that since some of her delegates flipped that it is possible that they and others will flip back.  It is a valid point.</p>
<p>The Clintons being the Clintons are going to give the party a choice, either try to win in 08 with her at the top of the ticket or lose and see her come back in &#8216;12.</p>
<p>I suspect that there will be a regular trickle of Obama tapes etc leading up to the convention, if not then they will be released near enough to the election to swing it to McCain.</p>
<p>This is the result of the party choosing to use an unvetted candidate of the far left.  If the party actually wanted a strong black candidate they would have nominated Harold Ford who is far superior on both the issues and on experience.</p>
<p>But you get what you pay for.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Kenneth Noisewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, why don't they just nullify the earlier vote and run another one??  Shoulda done that weeks ago, it's probably too late at this point.

Either way, the civil war continues, as independents and McCain look on in fascination...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, why don&#8217;t they just nullify the earlier vote and run another one??  Shoulda done that weeks ago, it&#8217;s probably too late at this point.</p>
<p>Either way, the civil war continues, as independents and McCain look on in fascination&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SFCMAC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFCMAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF???

"Only Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan had an irrefutable point. “We’ve got a totally irrational system of nominating our president,” he said."

Uh, scuse me, but you nominate CANDIDATES for President, Levin. Only a democrat could screw up a concept like that....</description>
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<p>&#8220;Only Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan had an irrefutable point. “We’ve got a totally irrational system of nominating our president,” he said.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, scuse me, but you nominate CANDIDATES for President, Levin. Only a democrat could screw up a concept like that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Loquacious Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376371</link>
		<dc:creator>Loquacious Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO the Democrats are lucky to even be in a position to win the presidency. A  couple of decent leaders in Congress 2000-2006 [i.e. Gingrich] and a president with the will to tell the whining Dems to shut up every time they threw roadblocks in the path of any progress in the WOT-specifically Iraq-would have kept them out of power and polite society for another decade. After much boasting of their plans to cure the country's ills if we put them back in charge, they've done nothing.

And now, with the presidency nothing more than a layup for them, they put forth two candidates that are an abomination. Dukakis and Mondale seen like giants compared to these 2. Maybe we deserve an all Democrat government[the SC will soon be too] to remind us all why they were kicked out in the first place. I can only blame the Republicans for allowing this to happen.

John McCain may not be a strong and true Republican candidate, but for most clear thinking Dems , Reps and independents he represents the best of 3 evils. I could never let myself vote for the same candidate that Susan Sarandon and her goofy boyfriend vote for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO the Democrats are lucky to even be in a position to win the presidency. A  couple of decent leaders in Congress 2000-2006 [i.e. Gingrich] and a president with the will to tell the whining Dems to shut up every time they threw roadblocks in the path of any progress in the WOT-specifically Iraq-would have kept them out of power and polite society for another decade. After much boasting of their plans to cure the country&#8217;s ills if we put them back in charge, they&#8217;ve done nothing.</p>
<p>And now, with the presidency nothing more than a layup for them, they put forth two candidates that are an abomination. Dukakis and Mondale seen like giants compared to these 2. Maybe we deserve an all Democrat government[the SC will soon be too] to remind us all why they were kicked out in the first place. I can only blame the Republicans for allowing this to happen.</p>
<p>John McCain may not be a strong and true Republican candidate, but for most clear thinking Dems , Reps and independents he represents the best of 3 evils. I could never let myself vote for the same candidate that Susan Sarandon and her goofy boyfriend vote for.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376370</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's recall that the political parties are private entities, and therefore entitled to decide their own nomination procedures. They could decide to dispense with primary elections entirely and no one's rights would be violated.

The outrage of the dismissed voters is only due to the fact that they have been duped into believing the parties have any regard for them beyond gathering their votes in the real elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s recall that the political parties are private entities, and therefore entitled to decide their own nomination procedures. They could decide to dispense with primary elections entirely and no one&#8217;s rights would be violated.</p>
<p>The outrage of the dismissed voters is only due to the fact that they have been duped into believing the parties have any regard for them beyond gathering their votes in the real elections.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; We&#8217;re angry, uneducated and unhealthy. Now what?RatZine - Rat stinkin news &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376353</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; We&#8217;re angry, uneducated and unhealthy. Now what?RatZine - Rat stinkin news &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis said something that got my fur up: Only Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan had an irrefutable point. &#8216;We&#8217;ve got a totally irrational system of nominating our president,&#8217; he said. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Jarvis said something that got my fur up: Only Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan had an irrefutable point. &#8216;We&#8217;ve got a totally irrational system of nominating our president,&#8217; he said. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tito</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376338</link>
		<dc:creator>Tito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the talk about counting every vote, the Democrats really care only about power.  For instance, you don't hear their outrage over the fact that a referendum passed by 61% of the voters in California was recently overturned basically on a whim because they agree with non-democratic methods when it suits their purpose.  The problem with this primary cycle is that the knucklehead in charge of the party has approved a system that doesn't add weight to the primaries.  Winner take all contests would have solved this problem--I mean exercise in democracy.

And for heaven's sake, give up with the 2000 election.  Republican irregularities in Democrat precincts didn't cost you the election, a terrible candidate did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the talk about counting every vote, the Democrats really care only about power.  For instance, you don&#8217;t hear their outrage over the fact that a referendum passed by 61% of the voters in California was recently overturned basically on a whim because they agree with non-democratic methods when it suits their purpose.  The problem with this primary cycle is that the knucklehead in charge of the party has approved a system that doesn&#8217;t add weight to the primaries.  Winner take all contests would have solved this problem&#8211;I mean exercise in democracy.</p>
<p>And for heaven&#8217;s sake, give up with the 2000 election.  Republican irregularities in Democrat precincts didn&#8217;t cost you the election, a terrible candidate did.</p>
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		<title>By: William Hamblen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376321</link>
		<dc:creator>William Hamblen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason the election season is so long in the US is that we always know when the next election will be - the House every two years, the president every four, and six years between Senate seats in each state.  We've managed to keep to the schedule right through civil war and world war.  Those countries with Westminster systems have elections at irregular intervals after a loss of confidence or a decision for a snap election, although a parliament's writ expires after a set number of years.  The call for elections never is long before election day, so smugness over the length of the election season is not entirely justified.  This season was longer than normal because Hillary Clinton tried to freeze out her opposition so early.  I see where Canada is adopting a 4 year cycle for federal elections, so they may start seeing long election seasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason the election season is so long in the US is that we always know when the next election will be - the House every two years, the president every four, and six years between Senate seats in each state.  We&#8217;ve managed to keep to the schedule right through civil war and world war.  Those countries with Westminster systems have elections at irregular intervals after a loss of confidence or a decision for a snap election, although a parliament&#8217;s writ expires after a set number of years.  The call for elections never is long before election day, so smugness over the length of the election season is not entirely justified.  This season was longer than normal because Hillary Clinton tried to freeze out her opposition so early.  I see where Canada is adopting a 4 year cycle for federal elections, so they may start seeing long election seasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Swen Swenson</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/01/the-day-the-democrats-lost-it/#comment-376319</link>
		<dc:creator>Swen Swenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the schadenfreude! I really am enjoying the democrats' self-discombobulation. If only the republicans had a candidate in the race..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the schadenfreude! I really am enjoying the democrats&#8217; self-discombobulation. If only the republicans had a candidate in the race..</p>
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