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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377725</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon the error in my haste to post. I meant to say near the end:

Do you your own part. Study what is sexism, challenge yourself to see IT in your thinking patterns and make changes. What I find is that many people have an opinion on sexism, and it is precisely just that–an opinion. It is not informed opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon the error in my haste to post. I meant to say near the end:</p>
<p>Do you your own part. Study what is sexism, challenge yourself to see IT in your thinking patterns and make changes. What I find is that many people have an opinion on sexism, and it is precisely just that–an opinion. It is not informed opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377724</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The evidence is right here in these blog posts. Comments from many males here (not all, I can see. There is hope!)  reveal a problem of understanding sexism. Old Grouch&#039;s comments are classic. You ARE AN OLD GROUCH. 

I teach journalism and discuss sexism with my students. Yet, they struggle to see it, including many female students.  In fact, some male students appear to get it more than females, especially if they are older than the female students. This issue of sexism is a complex problem. Both men and women acquiesce to sexism as Katie Couric so aptly put it. 

Do you your own part. Study what is sexism, challenge yourself to see in your thinking patterns and make changes. What I find is that many people have an opinion on sexism, and it is precisely just that--an opinion. It is not informed opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evidence is right here in these blog posts. Comments from many males here (not all, I can see. There is hope!)  reveal a problem of understanding sexism. Old Grouch&#8217;s comments are classic. You ARE AN OLD GROUCH. </p>
<p>I teach journalism and discuss sexism with my students. Yet, they struggle to see it, including many female students.  In fact, some male students appear to get it more than females, especially if they are older than the female students. This issue of sexism is a complex problem. Both men and women acquiesce to sexism as Katie Couric so aptly put it. </p>
<p>Do you your own part. Study what is sexism, challenge yourself to see in your thinking patterns and make changes. What I find is that many people have an opinion on sexism, and it is precisely just that&#8211;an opinion. It is not informed opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377463</link>
		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couric participated in the incredibly sexist, misogynistic, biased attacks on Hillary - as did all of these other people who are just now discovering that maybe, perhaps, the attacks on Hillary were a bit, say, over the top.

But, Mr. Jarvis, where were you?  Yes, you supported Hillary and made that clear, but for a person whose focus is the media, where were you?  I came to this blog occasionally, not daily, wondering if it would ever occur to you to at least comment on not just the sexism but the fact that the entire media (print, TV, and the A-List blogs) was engaged in actively promoting the Obama candidacy and destroying not just the Hillary candidacy but Hillary herself.

Even Richard Nixon at his lowest point had a few &quot;name&quot; supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couric participated in the incredibly sexist, misogynistic, biased attacks on Hillary &#8211; as did all of these other people who are just now discovering that maybe, perhaps, the attacks on Hillary were a bit, say, over the top.</p>
<p>But, Mr. Jarvis, where were you?  Yes, you supported Hillary and made that clear, but for a person whose focus is the media, where were you?  I came to this blog occasionally, not daily, wondering if it would ever occur to you to at least comment on not just the sexism but the fact that the entire media (print, TV, and the A-List blogs) was engaged in actively promoting the Obama candidacy and destroying not just the Hillary candidacy but Hillary herself.</p>
<p>Even Richard Nixon at his lowest point had a few &#8220;name&#8221; supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Christa Avampato</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377436</link>
		<dc:creator>Christa Avampato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,
Thank you for writing this story. It seems that sexism is more taboo than almost any other social issue in this country. I appreciate your honesty and candor, and your courage to talk about an issue that many would prefer to just brush under the rug. It needs to be addressed at the governmental level and at the business level in this country. For all the progress our society claims to have, it some times makes me sad to think how far we have to go toward equality in this nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,<br />
Thank you for writing this story. It seems that sexism is more taboo than almost any other social issue in this country. I appreciate your honesty and candor, and your courage to talk about an issue that many would prefer to just brush under the rug. It needs to be addressed at the governmental level and at the business level in this country. For all the progress our society claims to have, it some times makes me sad to think how far we have to go toward equality in this nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Tish Grier</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377419</link>
		<dc:creator>Tish Grier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was truly an historic presidential primary--and with the making of an historical event, a lot of really nasty stuff that&#039;s been simmering underneath the status-quo is going to come out (kind of like lancing a boil.)  It came out in the sexist remarks about Clinton, the racist remarks about Obama, and the agest remarks against McCain (not to mention the prejudicial remarks against Romney&#039;s Mormonism that were pretty off-base as well. we may have freedom of religion, but what is an acceptable religion for a presidential candidate is still an issue)

Can any of us remember the last time so many candidates represented so many of our differences?  Last time I can remember, and barely because I&#039;ve only read the history, was Kennedy/Nixon, when Kennedy&#039;s Catholicism came up.  Before Kennedy, we had Al Smith in the 1920&#039;s....

In time, a lot of the nasty remarks will go away.  Maybe that will happen when the people continue to vote for media outlets (and debates) with their remotes and voice their opinions very loudly through the various forms of social media.  It may also happen when, as was stated above, we see a woman as a presidential candidate who&#039;s there because she has solid experience as a governor.  And, frankly, it may have been Mrs. Clinton&#039;s rather big-mouthed baggage that didn&#039;t help her with some voters.  Maybe some of us just didn&#039;t want the Hill and Bill show again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was truly an historic presidential primary&#8211;and with the making of an historical event, a lot of really nasty stuff that&#8217;s been simmering underneath the status-quo is going to come out (kind of like lancing a boil.)  It came out in the sexist remarks about Clinton, the racist remarks about Obama, and the agest remarks against McCain (not to mention the prejudicial remarks against Romney&#8217;s Mormonism that were pretty off-base as well. we may have freedom of religion, but what is an acceptable religion for a presidential candidate is still an issue)</p>
<p>Can any of us remember the last time so many candidates represented so many of our differences?  Last time I can remember, and barely because I&#8217;ve only read the history, was Kennedy/Nixon, when Kennedy&#8217;s Catholicism came up.  Before Kennedy, we had Al Smith in the 1920&#8217;s&#8230;.</p>
<p>In time, a lot of the nasty remarks will go away.  Maybe that will happen when the people continue to vote for media outlets (and debates) with their remotes and voice their opinions very loudly through the various forms of social media.  It may also happen when, as was stated above, we see a woman as a presidential candidate who&#8217;s there because she has solid experience as a governor.  And, frankly, it may have been Mrs. Clinton&#8217;s rather big-mouthed baggage that didn&#8217;t help her with some voters.  Maybe some of us just didn&#8217;t want the Hill and Bill show again.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the huge problems Hillary faced was the perception that her position was not based on her own accomplishments, and maybe only marginally on her own ability.  Micheal Medved, no fan of the Dems or the 90s Clintons, praised her intellect in his book.  Yet, Hillary was married to Bill, and took on the taint of his sins.  Her possible worth was obscured by his very real failings and rampant egotism.  And she stayed with a man who repeatedly and publicly humiliated her.  Many people may have had a hard time seeing her doing that for any other reason than her own advancement on his coattails.  True or not, the impression was of rank opportunism.  The doubters just didn&#039;t believe she&#039;d done it on her own.  Hence the calls &quot;iron my shirt.&quot;  One wonders how many of those catcalls would have gone to the women who&#039;ve served in Iraq, the ones who have won medals based on their performance, not on the fact they stayed married to the first black president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the huge problems Hillary faced was the perception that her position was not based on her own accomplishments, and maybe only marginally on her own ability.  Micheal Medved, no fan of the Dems or the 90s Clintons, praised her intellect in his book.  Yet, Hillary was married to Bill, and took on the taint of his sins.  Her possible worth was obscured by his very real failings and rampant egotism.  And she stayed with a man who repeatedly and publicly humiliated her.  Many people may have had a hard time seeing her doing that for any other reason than her own advancement on his coattails.  True or not, the impression was of rank opportunism.  The doubters just didn&#8217;t believe she&#8217;d done it on her own.  Hence the calls &#8220;iron my shirt.&#8221;  One wonders how many of those catcalls would have gone to the women who&#8217;ve served in Iraq, the ones who have won medals based on their performance, not on the fact they stayed married to the first black president.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike G</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377338</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Save me all the “Hillary was exceptional in her own right” nonsense.&quot;

Hey, Hillary was a very promising individual before she met Bill.  If she&#039;d never married him, she could have risen to... a partner at Winston &amp; Strawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Save me all the “Hillary was exceptional in her own right” nonsense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, Hillary was a very promising individual before she met Bill.  If she&#8217;d never married him, she could have risen to&#8230; a partner at Winston &amp; Strawn.</p>
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		<title>By: jt007</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377336</link>
		<dc:creator>jt007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a joke.  Hillary Clinton was a &quot;family lawyer&quot; at a corporate law firm in Little Rock that just coincidentally happened to be the largest securities firm in Arkansas specializing in public debt offerings.  For idiot liberals, they hired the governor&#039;s wife because their practice was in a highly regulated industry and their clients were public officials.  You&#039;d have to be a moron to believe that Hillary Clinton, who never lived in New York, would have been elected to the Senate there if she hadn&#039;t been married to Bill clinton.  Liberals made the same argument about Bush and they were right.  He would have never become president if he hadn&#039;t been the son of George H.W. Bush.  Save me all the &quot;Hillary was exceptional in her own right&quot; nonsense.  She was in her 50&#039;s when she became a Senator and her greatest professional achievements were serving on the board of the Children&#039;s Defense Fund, sweetheart deals on cattle futures and doing legal work on fraudulent real estate deals.  Her supervisor on the Watergate committee said she was unethical and wouldn&#039;t give her a recommendation.

Hillary Clinton glommed on to Bill and has ridden that association for all it is worth.  She hasn&#039;t accomplished anything as a Senator, she voted for the war and then tried to undermine it when the politics changed.  Her supporters  can scream epithets like little babies, but it is the truth and, in this case, I gues the truth hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a joke.  Hillary Clinton was a &#8220;family lawyer&#8221; at a corporate law firm in Little Rock that just coincidentally happened to be the largest securities firm in Arkansas specializing in public debt offerings.  For idiot liberals, they hired the governor&#8217;s wife because their practice was in a highly regulated industry and their clients were public officials.  You&#8217;d have to be a moron to believe that Hillary Clinton, who never lived in New York, would have been elected to the Senate there if she hadn&#8217;t been married to Bill clinton.  Liberals made the same argument about Bush and they were right.  He would have never become president if he hadn&#8217;t been the son of George H.W. Bush.  Save me all the &#8220;Hillary was exceptional in her own right&#8221; nonsense.  She was in her 50&#8217;s when she became a Senator and her greatest professional achievements were serving on the board of the Children&#8217;s Defense Fund, sweetheart deals on cattle futures and doing legal work on fraudulent real estate deals.  Her supervisor on the Watergate committee said she was unethical and wouldn&#8217;t give her a recommendation.</p>
<p>Hillary Clinton glommed on to Bill and has ridden that association for all it is worth.  She hasn&#8217;t accomplished anything as a Senator, she voted for the war and then tried to undermine it when the politics changed.  Her supporters  can scream epithets like little babies, but it is the truth and, in this case, I gues the truth hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: memomachine</title>
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		<dc:creator>memomachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.

&quot;It is about time that people start to face up to the fact that sexism is still a major problem.&quot;

This is why one of the first questions I ask a woman is what she thinks about feminism.

Really enthused = leave her immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is about time that people start to face up to the fact that sexism is still a major problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why one of the first questions I ask a woman is what she thinks about feminism.</p>
<p>Really enthused = leave her immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only choices you had in the Democrat primary were to be labeled a racist or a sexist.

It appears that most Democrats are more scared of being a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only choices you had in the Democrat primary were to be labeled a racist or a sexist.</p>
<p>It appears that most Democrats are more scared of being a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Grouch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Grouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When I introduce myself as a feminist...&quot;

Try introducing yourself as &quot;Stefanie&quot; instead, and see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When I introduce myself as a feminist&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Try introducing yourself as &#8220;Stefanie&#8221; instead, and see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefanie Says: 

&quot;It is about time that people start to face up to the fact that sexism is still a major problem. When I introduce myself as a feminist, I am often drawn into a debate about how women have attained equality already - not when things like this are still happening&quot;

Most of us just eye roll because being a feminist is sort of like being a Marxist.. you just replace class with gender and spout a bunch of lame theories to hate out groups (capitalists AND republicans, white males, et cetera)...

Trust me; it&#039;s what feminists are perceived as standing for... not &#039;sexism&#039;.. that gets you the cold shoulder...

60s feminism was better… but it’s really gone downhill since the 90s. Partially because you have achieved so many of your goals... you have to grasp at abstractions to stay outraged and/or the more moderate people melted away from the movement leaving bitter clingers in charge…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefanie Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;It is about time that people start to face up to the fact that sexism is still a major problem. When I introduce myself as a feminist, I am often drawn into a debate about how women have attained equality already &#8211; not when things like this are still happening&#8221;</p>
<p>Most of us just eye roll because being a feminist is sort of like being a Marxist.. you just replace class with gender and spout a bunch of lame theories to hate out groups (capitalists AND republicans, white males, et cetera)&#8230;</p>
<p>Trust me; it&#8217;s what feminists are perceived as standing for&#8230; not &#8217;sexism&#8217;.. that gets you the cold shoulder&#8230;</p>
<p>60s feminism was better… but it’s really gone downhill since the 90s. Partially because you have achieved so many of your goals&#8230; you have to grasp at abstractions to stay outraged and/or the more moderate people melted away from the movement leaving bitter clingers in charge…</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who cite Margaret Thatcher got it spot on. She had a lot worse thrown at her than did Clinton, but shrugged it off and got on with the job. She was respected by just about everyone, even if they were opposed to her.

Clinton? I&#039;d say sexism was the least of her worries. Factor in shady real estate deals, shady deals at Rose Law Firm, Travelgate, Filegate, health-care fiasco, BILL Clinton -- and there&#039;s plenty more -- and you&#039;ve got a good many other reasons not to elect her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who cite Margaret Thatcher got it spot on. She had a lot worse thrown at her than did Clinton, but shrugged it off and got on with the job. She was respected by just about everyone, even if they were opposed to her.</p>
<p>Clinton? I&#8217;d say sexism was the least of her worries. Factor in shady real estate deals, shady deals at Rose Law Firm, Travelgate, Filegate, health-care fiasco, BILL Clinton &#8212; and there&#8217;s plenty more &#8212; and you&#8217;ve got a good many other reasons not to elect her.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is about time that people start to face up to the fact that sexism is still a major problem. When I introduce myself as a feminist, I am often drawn into a debate about how women have attained equality already - not when things like this are still happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is about time that people start to face up to the fact that sexism is still a major problem. When I introduce myself as a feminist, I am often drawn into a debate about how women have attained equality already &#8211; not when things like this are still happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Rahmulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahmulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie, you really nailed it with “doubled down” because that’s exactly what she did.  

Nothing concentrates the mind like a hanging and she handled her situation extremely well.  I would never vote for her but was thinking there at the end….I would disagree with her on almost everything but I could live with it.

Obama…..who knows…none of us do.  Hillary we know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie, you really nailed it with “doubled down” because that’s exactly what she did.  </p>
<p>Nothing concentrates the mind like a hanging and she handled her situation extremely well.  I would never vote for her but was thinking there at the end….I would disagree with her on almost everything but I could live with it.</p>
<p>Obama…..who knows…none of us do.  Hillary we know.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose, just to continue the Star Trek thing -- that the female commander&#039;s part in the first pilot was played by Majel Barrett, who a short time later became Mrs. Gene Roddenberry, even as she was demoted to ship&#039;s nurse in the regular series, and Leonard Nimoy got to be the No. 2 in command. But that&#039;s more for a debate on nepotism than one on sexism.

As far as the problem Jeff&#039;s actually posing, here&#039;s a question -- Does the sexism against Hillary, or for that matter, the racism against Obama, shape people&#039;s negative views about their politics, or do their political views bring out the worst in people (in Hillary&#039;s case now on the right and the left) and cause them to reveal their latent sexism/racism as a brute and base way of expressing their anger? I think that when people get really emotional about political disagreements, many have a habit of seeking out the most easily identifiable differences between themselves and that person and try to use it as an invective, and the image of Hillary created by both people who dislike her and her own actions have made it more socially acceptable (though not socially correct) to go after her in a sexist way that is tolerate in a way hurling racial slurs at Obama today isn&#039;t by society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose, just to continue the Star Trek thing &#8212; that the female commander&#8217;s part in the first pilot was played by Majel Barrett, who a short time later became Mrs. Gene Roddenberry, even as she was demoted to ship&#8217;s nurse in the regular series, and Leonard Nimoy got to be the No. 2 in command. But that&#8217;s more for a debate on nepotism than one on sexism.</p>
<p>As far as the problem Jeff&#8217;s actually posing, here&#8217;s a question &#8212; Does the sexism against Hillary, or for that matter, the racism against Obama, shape people&#8217;s negative views about their politics, or do their political views bring out the worst in people (in Hillary&#8217;s case now on the right and the left) and cause them to reveal their latent sexism/racism as a brute and base way of expressing their anger? I think that when people get really emotional about political disagreements, many have a habit of seeking out the most easily identifiable differences between themselves and that person and try to use it as an invective, and the image of Hillary created by both people who dislike her and her own actions have made it more socially acceptable (though not socially correct) to go after her in a sexist way that is tolerate in a way hurling racial slurs at Obama today isn&#8217;t by society.</p>
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		<title>By: syn</title>
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		<dc:creator>syn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing done to either Obama or Clinton was as horrific and disgusting as what was done to Dr Condolezza Rice; now which political party treated Dr. Rice as an &#039;Aunt Jemima for the white man&#039; or called mocked her in their own house of worship as a slut?

The Democratic Party is the party of dreadful Identity Politics, by all means Democrats continue on with the ugly that you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing done to either Obama or Clinton was as horrific and disgusting as what was done to Dr Condolezza Rice; now which political party treated Dr. Rice as an &#8216;Aunt Jemima for the white man&#8217; or called mocked her in their own house of worship as a slut?</p>
<p>The Democratic Party is the party of dreadful Identity Politics, by all means Democrats continue on with the ugly that you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377298</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rahmulus, I second. I was never a Clinton supporter, both because her platform is pretty well diametrically opposed to what I want and believe (as is Obama&#039;s) and because her achievement record is way too weak for me to want to risk the Presidency on her being a quick study (and ditto for Obama on that too). But when she doubled down and really started fighting for her candidacy, I was moved to respect her virtual cojones.

I have a daughter. More than that, I wanted to be president myself when I was growing up. I would dearly love to see a woman elected President in my lifetime - but I&#039;m not willing to see just &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; woman elected. (And this also goes for Obama, and shame on you, Democrats, for trying to elect a man whose record in public service renders him almost a &quot;token&quot; for the Presidency. &quot;Hope&quot;? &quot;Change&quot;? For heaven&#039;s sake. Get over the identities and move on to the actual &lt;i&gt;individuals&lt;/i&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahmulus, I second. I was never a Clinton supporter, both because her platform is pretty well diametrically opposed to what I want and believe (as is Obama&#8217;s) and because her achievement record is way too weak for me to want to risk the Presidency on her being a quick study (and ditto for Obama on that too). But when she doubled down and really started fighting for her candidacy, I was moved to respect her virtual cojones.</p>
<p>I have a daughter. More than that, I wanted to be president myself when I was growing up. I would dearly love to see a woman elected President in my lifetime &#8211; but I&#8217;m not willing to see just <i>any</i> woman elected. (And this also goes for Obama, and shame on you, Democrats, for trying to elect a man whose record in public service renders him almost a &#8220;token&#8221; for the Presidency. &#8220;Hope&#8221;? &#8220;Change&#8221;? For heaven&#8217;s sake. Get over the identities and move on to the actual <i>individuals</i>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Facing up to sexism - Southern Maryland Community Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facing up to sexism - Southern Maryland Community Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facing up to sexism  We are only now ? a bit late ? beginning to face up to sexism as a factor in the Democratic race and as an ongoing problem in America.  Katie Couric spoke out: Video on Website  Sound bite: ?It isn?t just Hillary Clinton who needs to learn a lesson from this primary season, it?s all the people who crossed the line and all the women and men who let them get away with it.?  The New York Times today delivers the stock on-the-one-hand, on-the-other-hand, try-to-say-nothing roundup that comes to no conclusion but does, at least, compile a few of the sins:  Cable television has come under the most criticism. Chris Matthews, a host on MSNBC, called Mrs. Clinton a ?she-devil? and said she had gotten as far as she had only because her husband had ?messed around.?  Mike Barnicle, a panelist on MSNBC, said that Mrs. Clinton was ?looking like everyone?s first wife standing outside a probate court.? Tucker Carlson, also on MSNBC, said, ?When she comes on television, I involuntarily cross my legs.?  The establishment news media were faulted too. The New York Times wrote about Mrs. Clinton?s ?cackle? and The Washington Post wrote about her cleavage.  Ken Rudin, an editor at National Public Radio, appeared on CNN, where he equated Mrs. Clinton with the actress Glenn Close in ?Fatal Attraction.? ?She?s going to keep coming back, and they?re not going to stop her,? Mr. Rudin said. He later apologized. Howard Dean comes out to decry the sexism. Why didn?t he do this during the campaign?  Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic Party, who says he was slow to pick up on charges of sexism because he is not a regular viewer of cable television, is taking up the cause after hearing an outcry from what he described as a cross-section of women, from individual voters to powerful politicians and chief executives.  ?The media took a very sexist approach to Senator Clinton?s campaign,? Mr. Dean said in a recent interview.  ?It?s pretty appalling,? he said, adding that the issue resonates because Mrs. Clinton ?got treated the way a lot of women got treated their whole lives.? Mr. Dean and others are now calling for a ?national discussion? of sexism.  Howard Dean doesn?t watch Chris Matthews? Yeah, sure.  : And here?s The Times? Nick Kristof writing the speech on sexism he wishes Obama would now deliver.       __________________ If you can&#039;t prove it didn&#039;t happen then it must be true and you are probably part of the cover-up.   All Animals are Created Equal, Some Animals are More Equal Than Others .........  Guns don&#039;t kill people. Morons with guns kill people.  Were you &quot;Born&quot; an idiot or do you just play one on the internet?   Hakkaa P??lle  Survival Blog    Quote: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Facing up to sexism  We are only now ? a bit late ? beginning to face up to sexism as a factor in the Democratic race and as an ongoing problem in America.  Katie Couric spoke out: Video on Website  Sound bite: ?It isn?t just Hillary Clinton who needs to learn a lesson from this primary season, it?s all the people who crossed the line and all the women and men who let them get away with it.?  The New York Times today delivers the stock on-the-one-hand, on-the-other-hand, try-to-say-nothing roundup that comes to no conclusion but does, at least, compile a few of the sins:  Cable television has come under the most criticism. Chris Matthews, a host on MSNBC, called Mrs. Clinton a ?she-devil? and said she had gotten as far as she had only because her husband had ?messed around.?  Mike Barnicle, a panelist on MSNBC, said that Mrs. Clinton was ?looking like everyone?s first wife standing outside a probate court.? Tucker Carlson, also on MSNBC, said, ?When she comes on television, I involuntarily cross my legs.?  The establishment news media were faulted too. The New York Times wrote about Mrs. Clinton?s ?cackle? and The Washington Post wrote about her cleavage.  Ken Rudin, an editor at National Public Radio, appeared on CNN, where he equated Mrs. Clinton with the actress Glenn Close in ?Fatal Attraction.? ?She?s going to keep coming back, and they?re not going to stop her,? Mr. Rudin said. He later apologized. Howard Dean comes out to decry the sexism. Why didn?t he do this during the campaign?  Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic Party, who says he was slow to pick up on charges of sexism because he is not a regular viewer of cable television, is taking up the cause after hearing an outcry from what he described as a cross-section of women, from individual voters to powerful politicians and chief executives.  ?The media took a very sexist approach to Senator Clinton?s campaign,? Mr. Dean said in a recent interview.  ?It?s pretty appalling,? he said, adding that the issue resonates because Mrs. Clinton ?got treated the way a lot of women got treated their whole lives.? Mr. Dean and others are now calling for a ?national discussion? of sexism.  Howard Dean doesn?t watch Chris Matthews? Yeah, sure.  : And here?s The Times? Nick Kristof writing the speech on sexism he wishes Obama would now deliver.       __________________ If you can&#8217;t prove it didn&#8217;t happen then it must be true and you are probably part of the cover-up.   All Animals are Created Equal, Some Animals are More Equal Than Others &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;  Guns don&#8217;t kill people. Morons with guns kill people.  Were you &quot;Born&quot; an idiot or do you just play one on the internet?   Hakkaa P??lle  Survival Blog    Quote: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377296</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sexism in this country - you betcha. My draft number was 97.  Any women want to tell me theirs? I didn&#039;t own my body. The state did. The law still in effect reads &#039;all males 17 to 45&#039;. 

When we get around to true equal responsibility in this society, we&#039;ll get around to true equal opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sexism in this country &#8211; you betcha. My draft number was 97.  Any women want to tell me theirs? I didn&#8217;t own my body. The state did. The law still in effect reads &#8216;all males 17 to 45&#8242;. </p>
<p>When we get around to true equal responsibility in this society, we&#8217;ll get around to true equal opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: gs</title>
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		<dc:creator>gs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Katie Couric spoke out&quot; about sexist treatment of Clinton.  Couric&#039;s ratings at CBS News have been poor.  Two birds, one stone?

I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://althouse.blogspot.com/2005/07/easy-lesson-about-criticizing-hillary.html#112223481966411388&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;long&lt;/a&gt; wondered whether some of the emphasis on Clinton&#039;s gender is a Hillary stratagem to distract concern that her Presidency would be Richard Nixon&#039;s third term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Katie Couric spoke out&#8221; about sexist treatment of Clinton.  Couric&#8217;s ratings at CBS News have been poor.  Two birds, one stone?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve <a href="http://althouse.blogspot.com/2005/07/easy-lesson-about-criticizing-hillary.html#112223481966411388" rel="nofollow">long</a> wondered whether some of the emphasis on Clinton&#8217;s gender is a Hillary stratagem to distract concern that her Presidency would be Richard Nixon&#8217;s third term.</p>
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		<title>By: Rahmulus</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377293</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahmulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the single greatest aspect of being in the privileged white male class?  

You would think it would be all the great fun we have raping, pillaging and plundering minorities, women, poor people, democrats, starving children, mother earth, homeless people, spotted owls, dolphins and baby fawns. 
 
But you would be wrong. 

The answer is that no victim status is allowed.  Ultimately, did you win or lose? 

Hillary gained the most respect from everyone when she quit whining, stopped crying and figured out she wasn’t’ going to be anointed.   I can’t stand her but was impressed the last two months when she came out fighting.

That’s what you lefties don’t get.  She is now the tougher candidate because she went through the fire and came out much stronger, she was the token “Republican” in the primary.  She got a chance to take the tough questions and hone her rhetoric just like the Republicans. 
  
Obambi has been protected throughout primary and will be coddled as much as possible in the general by the press.  And when it heats up is he going to be able to handle it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the single greatest aspect of being in the privileged white male class?  </p>
<p>You would think it would be all the great fun we have raping, pillaging and plundering minorities, women, poor people, democrats, starving children, mother earth, homeless people, spotted owls, dolphins and baby fawns. </p>
<p>But you would be wrong. </p>
<p>The answer is that no victim status is allowed.  Ultimately, did you win or lose? </p>
<p>Hillary gained the most respect from everyone when she quit whining, stopped crying and figured out she wasn’t’ going to be anointed.   I can’t stand her but was impressed the last two months when she came out fighting.</p>
<p>That’s what you lefties don’t get.  She is now the tougher candidate because she went through the fire and came out much stronger, she was the token “Republican” in the primary.  She got a chance to take the tough questions and hone her rhetoric just like the Republicans. </p>
<p>Obambi has been protected throughout primary and will be coddled as much as possible in the general by the press.  And when it heats up is he going to be able to handle it?</p>
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		<title>By: StoneHead</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/13/facing-up-to-sexism/#comment-377292</link>
		<dc:creator>StoneHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last side note on the Star Trek thing (yes, we Trekkers are kind of nerdy that way). The pilot featured a female second in command to Jeffrey Pike, not a female commanding officer. Her position as Executive Officer was given to Spock before the second pilot. And despite the miniskirts on the female crew members, Star Trek was rare in that it did feature women in positions of authority- for example the Doctor in the second pilot, etc. 

As far as the sexist thing, Hillary lost because she was a terrible candidate and has massive amounts of baggage. The media, fickle as always, wanted a different candidate to fulfill their need to put a Democrat in the White House. Posters who mentioned the fact that compared to the Republicans, no Democrat ever receives comparablly negative press coverage are correct- the media turned on Hillary because they decided Obama would be a better choice to win the White House in November. And the other posters are correct- the coverage Hillary received is nowhere near the level of pure hatred that the Bush Administration has been putting up with from the national media since November 2000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last side note on the Star Trek thing (yes, we Trekkers are kind of nerdy that way). The pilot featured a female second in command to Jeffrey Pike, not a female commanding officer. Her position as Executive Officer was given to Spock before the second pilot. And despite the miniskirts on the female crew members, Star Trek was rare in that it did feature women in positions of authority- for example the Doctor in the second pilot, etc. </p>
<p>As far as the sexist thing, Hillary lost because she was a terrible candidate and has massive amounts of baggage. The media, fickle as always, wanted a different candidate to fulfill their need to put a Democrat in the White House. Posters who mentioned the fact that compared to the Republicans, no Democrat ever receives comparablly negative press coverage are correct- the media turned on Hillary because they decided Obama would be a better choice to win the White House in November. And the other posters are correct- the coverage Hillary received is nowhere near the level of pure hatred that the Bush Administration has been putting up with from the national media since November 2000.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomass</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane Says: 

&quot;It’s interesting how so many people who can see racism in everything that is said or written about Obama (and even in many things where he isn’t named) are totally unable to see the obnoxious way Clinton was treated. Then again, it’s still mostly men running newsrooms.&quot;

She got a raw deal... I just wouldn&#039;t agree it was because she is a woman. She just wasn&#039;t the MSM consensus choice. Obama is. 

McCain will get the same negative treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;It’s interesting how so many people who can see racism in everything that is said or written about Obama (and even in many things where he isn’t named) are totally unable to see the obnoxious way Clinton was treated. Then again, it’s still mostly men running newsrooms.&#8221;</p>
<p>She got a raw deal&#8230; I just wouldn&#8217;t agree it was because she is a woman. She just wasn&#8217;t the MSM consensus choice. Obama is. </p>
<p>McCain will get the same negative treatment.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sexism charge is just PC nonsense. 

As a male conservative who votes republican… I know Hillary and Hillary’s supporters were treated terribly by Obama supporters. I stopped by their blogs and read the comments from Obama supporters.. It’s just that they treat people like me the same exact way. They treat everyone that disagrees with them that way. Female / sexism has nothing to do with it. They’ll throw any insult that comes to mind and sometimes those are sexist… I remember one lame one from an Obamaniac putting down the [blue collar] Hillary people for liking cheesesteaks… anyway, it’s not sexism IMO.. it’s that Obama attracted some people who are asses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sexism charge is just PC nonsense. </p>
<p>As a male conservative who votes republican… I know Hillary and Hillary’s supporters were treated terribly by Obama supporters. I stopped by their blogs and read the comments from Obama supporters.. It’s just that they treat people like me the same exact way. They treat everyone that disagrees with them that way. Female / sexism has nothing to do with it. They’ll throw any insult that comes to mind and sometimes those are sexist… I remember one lame one from an Obamaniac putting down the [blue collar] Hillary people for liking cheesesteaks… anyway, it’s not sexism IMO.. it’s that Obama attracted some people who are asses.</p>
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