Comments on: A proposal to the Associated Press: A link ethic http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/ by Jeff Jarvis Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:40:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Truth! What a concept! – MorganWick.com http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-400744 Truth! What a concept! – MorganWick.com Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:27:28 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-400744 [...] legal services. There is some sort of partnership with Newsweek. Rabble-rousing blogger Jeff Jarvis is a member. But the association is a self-appointed representative of a hugely diverse group, and its [...] [...] legal services. There is some sort of partnership with Newsweek. Rabble-rousing blogger Jeff Jarvis is a member. But the association is a self-appointed representative of a hugely diverse group, and its [...]

]]> By: Why The Associated Press plans to hold some web content off the wire » Nieman Journalism Lab http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-399461 Why The Associated Press plans to hold some web content off the wire » Nieman Journalism Lab Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:59:10 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-399461 [...] of people have observed — and the AP surely understands — that the consortium’s 163-year-old, print-centric [...] [...] of people have observed — and the AP surely understands — that the consortium’s 163-year-old, print-centric [...]

]]> By: media news now http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-393074 media news now Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:42:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-393074 [...] commentator Jeff Jarvis tried to mediate, and then lost his temper. Michael Arrington urged a boycott of the AP (wonder how that went over [...] [...] commentator Jeff Jarvis tried to mediate, and then lost his temper. Michael Arrington urged a boycott of the AP (wonder how that went over [...]

]]> By: The evolution of the Mediasaurus — MISTERDIBSTER http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-392891 The evolution of the Mediasaurus — MISTERDIBSTER Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:40:01 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-392891 [...] All of this points to a deeper fundamental issue where media organisations still stuck in the yesteryear are struggling to cope with what some has termed the link economy. In this Internet period of humankind, I think the question is not about whether people should be allowed to link/quote/excerpt from the original content but rather, it is an issue of ethical linking. [...] [...] All of this points to a deeper fundamental issue where media organisations still stuck in the yesteryear are struggling to cope with what some has termed the link economy. In this Internet period of humankind, I think the question is not about whether people should be allowed to link/quote/excerpt from the original content but rather, it is an issue of ethical linking. [...]

]]> By: 1. Solve journalism’s data problem. 2. Kill the AP. 3. Invest in the next market. « BuzzMachine http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-392880 1. Solve journalism’s data problem. 2. Kill the AP. 3. Invest in the next market. « BuzzMachine Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:16:26 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-392880 [...] and links to the sources, a moral necessity in the link economy; I urged the AP to adopt such a link ethic last [...] [...] and links to the sources, a moral necessity in the link economy; I urged the AP to adopt such a link ethic last [...]

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » A danger to journalism http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-387952 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » A danger to journalism Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:01:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-387952 [...] we need more links to more journalism at its source, as I proposed to the Associated Press in the midst of its aborted antilink crusade. Links are also the key to [...] [...] we need more links to more journalism at its source, as I proposed to the Associated Press in the midst of its aborted antilink crusade. Links are also the key to [...]

]]> By: Los periódicos encogerán o desaparecerán. | EQUISELE http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-384312 Los periódicos encogerán o desaparecerán. | EQUISELE Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:31:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-384312 [...] Artículo [...] [...] Artículo [...]

]]> By: Ethic of the link, revisited « The Future of Journalism http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-384223 Ethic of the link, revisited « The Future of Journalism Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:19:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-384223 [...] from Jeff Jarvis on this subject here and more on links [...] [...] from Jeff Jarvis on this subject here and more on links [...]

]]> By: Citar o no citar en los blogs | Proyecto web http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-383681 Citar o no citar en los blogs | Proyecto web Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:56:41 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-383681 [...] que queda claro es que, mientras no exista un criterio claro y no subjetivo sobre cuál es el límite permisible para ser considerado una cita y no un [...] [...] que queda claro es que, mientras no exista un criterio claro y no subjetivo sobre cuál es el límite permisible para ser considerado una cita y no un [...]

]]> By: Daniel Edlen http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-379694 Daniel Edlen Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:53:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-379694 Jeff, Re: your comment on June 21st That's what I'd say. Let them build their wall. What are they trying to keep out again? Peace. Jeff,

Re: your comment on June 21st

That’s what I’d say. Let them build their wall. What are they trying to keep out again?

Peace.

]]> By: Where are the long and thought provoking articles? | Glowrich on New Media http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-379648 Where are the long and thought provoking articles? | Glowrich on New Media Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:39:51 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-379648 [...] to other news outlets. Not really a long article, but several short ones about the same issue. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Michael Arrington at TechCrunch wrote about the same [...] [...] to other news outlets. Not really a long article, but several short ones about the same issue. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Michael Arrington at TechCrunch wrote about the same [...]

]]> By: Keep Faking It » Syndicate the conversation http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377996 Keep Faking It » Syndicate the conversation Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:20:20 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377996 [...] AP actually should be embracing the conversation. Jeff Jarvis mentions that one way for the AP to move forward would be for it to stop homogenizing co.... Well how about this. How about it lets anyone take its stories, but as part of the deal [...] [...] AP actually should be embracing the conversation. Jeff Jarvis mentions that one way for the AP to move forward would be for it to stop homogenizing co…. Well how about this. How about it lets anyone take its stories, but as part of the deal [...]

]]> By: Shafqat http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377857 Shafqat Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:53:14 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377857 @Jeff - I think Rick makes a good point when it comes to aggregators and so-called 'social news sites.' The AP does allow these sites to host full articles, and the price is fairly reasonable but still out of the reach of regular bloggers. As you point out, most bloggers don't want to nor to they need to buy AP content. However, there are news aggregation sites out there, such as mine (full disclosure: I'm cofounder of NewsCered), that should pay for content. Otherwise, we get into splogging territory which is clearly undesirable. For everyone else and also for my personal writing, the ethic of the link and quote is how I will live and die. Shafqat @Jeff – I think Rick makes a good point when it comes to aggregators and so-called ’social news sites.’ The AP does allow these sites to host full articles, and the price is fairly reasonable but still out of the reach of regular bloggers. As you point out, most bloggers don’t want to nor to they need to buy AP content.

However, there are news aggregation sites out there, such as mine (full disclosure: I’m cofounder of NewsCered), that should pay for content. Otherwise, we get into splogging territory which is clearly undesirable. For everyone else and also for my personal writing, the ethic of the link and quote is how I will live and die.

Shafqat

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377778 Jeff Jarvis Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:00:43 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377778 I don't want to buy AP content. I'm not putting stories up on my site. I sometimes did want to quote, link to, promote, and benefit AP stories. But I can always find the same story somewhere else and the AP's is the most commodified version, always. I'd rather find, link to, and quote original reporting. And if the AP doesn't want our links, well, that is certainly their loss. I don’t want to buy AP content. I’m not putting stories up on my site. I sometimes did want to quote, link to, promote, and benefit AP stories. But I can always find the same story somewhere else and the AP’s is the most commodified version, always. I’d rather find, link to, and quote original reporting. And if the AP doesn’t want our links, well, that is certainly their loss.

]]> By: Rick Hancock http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377775 Rick Hancock Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:13:42 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377775 The AP is now in the business of marketing many of its services, why not create affordable blogger accounts. iTunes and other music pay sites figured out a way for people to buy instead of illegally download music. I did a very quick check on the AP website and came across this on its FAQ page " How can I become a member of The Associated Press and receive AP services? If you are a newspaper, radio or television station, you can become a member of the AP cooperative. If you are not a member of The Associated Press, but want to receive AP news for your Web site or wireless service, company intranet, desktop or other interactive application, you can contact AP Digital. " Not sure how much AP Digital costs, but whatever it is, it's probably out of the financial reach of most bloggers. However, I'm sure many bloggers would be willing to pay a reasonable amount to legally use AP content. Maybe AP and the Media Bloggers Association can cut a deal where members in good standing can legally access AP content. The AP is now in the business of marketing many of its services, why not create affordable blogger accounts. iTunes and other music pay sites figured out a way for people to buy instead of illegally download music. I did a very quick check on the AP website and came across this on its FAQ page

” How can I become a member of The Associated Press and receive AP services?
If you are a newspaper, radio or television station, you can become a member of the AP cooperative.

If you are not a member of The Associated Press, but want to receive AP news for your Web site or wireless service, company intranet, desktop or other interactive application, you can contact AP Digital. ”

Not sure how much AP Digital costs, but whatever it is, it’s probably out of the financial reach of most bloggers. However, I’m sure many bloggers would be willing to pay a reasonable amount to legally use AP content. Maybe AP and the Media Bloggers Association can cut a deal where members in good standing can legally access AP content.

]]> By: Links - 20th June 2008 « Curiously Persistent http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377720 Links - 20th June 2008 « Curiously Persistent Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:16:12 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377720 [...] How to fix the mess the Associated Press have created (Jeff Jarvis) [...] [...] How to fix the mess the Associated Press have created (Jeff Jarvis) [...]

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Daylife in the news http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377708 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Daylife in the news Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:23:00 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377708 [...] my fuller disclosure at the end of this [...] [...] my fuller disclosure at the end of this [...]

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis - Should news agencies limit the content bloggers can excerpt from their articles? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377666 Jeff Jarvis - Should news agencies limit the content bloggers can excerpt from their articles? Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:02:33 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377666 [...] I will say again that the AP should start using our linking and quoting guidelines rather than its homogenization [...] [...] I will say again that the AP should start using our linking and quoting guidelines rather than its homogenization [...]

]]> By: Jeff Jarvis sobre la ética de los enlaces y las fuentes » eCuaderno http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377653 Jeff Jarvis sobre la ética de los enlaces y las fuentes » eCuaderno Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:53:29 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377653 [...] Jarvis: A proposal to the Associated Press: A link ethic  Imprimir este post [...] [...] Jarvis: A proposal to the Associated Press: A link ethic  Imprimir este post [...]

]]> By: Bill Enator http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377633 Bill Enator Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:05:08 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377633 What this looks more and more like is that the AP considers that they are entitled to "Own the news", not just the expression of the news but the "facts of the day" or as AP's chief strategist called it "conversation of the day" as well. AP is trying to strong arm and coerce bloggers, the aggregators and online news into accepting terms that no court would ever grant them. The AP is probably willing to bet that not too many people have the resources or willingness to mount a defense. No doubt about it.. they consider this an end game play What this looks more and more like is that the AP considers that they are entitled to “Own the news”, not just the expression of the news but the “facts of the day” or as AP’s chief strategist called it “conversation of the day” as well.

AP is trying to strong arm and coerce bloggers, the aggregators and online news into accepting terms that no court would ever grant them. The AP is probably willing to bet that not too many people have the resources or willingness to mount a defense.

No doubt about it.. they consider this an end game play

]]> By: BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Hey, Saul http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377589 BuzzMachine » Blog Archive » Hey, Saul Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:01:22 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377589 [...] would have appreciated it very much if Saul had noticed my efforts at conversation namely this post in which I tried to explain to the AP our ethic of the link and suggest that they try it on. The [...] [...] would have appreciated it very much if Saul had noticed my efforts at conversation namely this post in which I tried to explain to the AP our ethic of the link and suggest that they try it on. The [...]

]]> By: Weblogg-ed » Blogging Ethics http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377575 Weblogg-ed » Blogging Ethics Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:59:55 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377575 [...] a quick pointer to a post by Jeff Jarvis who has some interesting observations about blogging ethics in the context of linking and quoting [...] [...] a quick pointer to a post by Jeff Jarvis who has some interesting observations about blogging ethics in the context of linking and quoting [...]

]]> By: Earth To Aspiring Pundits: There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch In The Blogosphere . . . http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377569 Earth To Aspiring Pundits: There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch In The Blogosphere . . . Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:50:36 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377569 [...] Jarvis in the majority, although Jeff later more or less came to his senses and is now proposing a link ethic between the AP and [...] [...] Jarvis in the majority, although Jeff later more or less came to his senses and is now proposing a link ethic between the AP and [...]

]]> By: AP kerfuffle continues http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377562 AP kerfuffle continues Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:51:11 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377562 [...] then Jarvis, in his proposed link ethic for AP, speaks very highly of them: Now let me make clear that the AP is no idiot. Jim Kennedy, its head [...] [...] then Jarvis, in his proposed link ethic for AP, speaks very highly of them: Now let me make clear that the AP is no idiot. Jim Kennedy, its head [...]

]]> By: Printed Matters » AP’s online business model is completely wrong http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/06/14/a-proposal-to-the-associated-press-a-link-ethic/#comment-377559 Printed Matters » AP’s online business model is completely wrong Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:24:15 +0000 http://www.buzzmachine.com/?p=3670#comment-377559 [...] I want news organizations to practice link journalism and get rid of the churnalism. And I want to support original journalism at its source, since that is how it will [...] [...] I want news organizations to practice link journalism and get rid of the churnalism. And I want to support original journalism at its source, since that is how it will [...]

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