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	<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/</link>
	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Periodismo Ciudadano</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379430</link>
		<dc:creator>Periodismo Ciudadano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] su blog, Jay Rosen propone una defición de Periodismo Ciudadano que rápidamente han apoyado Jeff Jarvis y Roy Greenslade: “Cuando las personas antiguamente conocidas como la audiencia utilizan las [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] su blog, Jay Rosen propone una defición de Periodismo Ciudadano que rápidamente han apoyado Jeff Jarvis y Roy Greenslade: “Cuando las personas antiguamente conocidas como la audiencia utilizan las [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ayúdame a dar una definición de &#8220;Periodismo Ciudadano&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379382</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayúdame a dar una definición de &#8220;Periodismo Ciudadano&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] su blog, Jay Rosen propone una defición de Periodismo Ciudadano que rápidamente han apoyado Jeff Jarvis y Roy Greenslade: &#8220;Cuando las personas antiguamente conocidas como la audiencia utilizan las [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] su blog, Jay Rosen propone una defición de Periodismo Ciudadano que rápidamente han apoyado Jeff Jarvis y Roy Greenslade: &#8220;Cuando las personas antiguamente conocidas como la audiencia utilizan las [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kawika Holbrook</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379303</link>
		<dc:creator>Kawika Holbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter still: How about making &quot;news&quot; a verb? &quot;Newsing&quot; sounds no worse than &quot;blogging.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter still: How about making &#8220;news&#8221; a verb? &#8220;Newsing&#8221; sounds no worse than &#8220;blogging.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tyndall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379286</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Tyndall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>digidave --

I have no problem with the &quot;gathering, filtering, distribution&quot; part but &quot;information&quot; must be wrong. Journalism is narrower, working on a particular type of &quot;information,&quot; not non-fiction generally. Your overbroad definition covers a librarian or a database cruncher or an academic researcher or someone working for the Census Bureau -- none of whom is a journalist.

The type of information a journalist works with must be &quot;news&quot; -- developments that are unusual, unprecedented, unpredictable, innovative, remarkable, controversial -- and it should also serve some sort of function in civil society. The latter is a wide spectrum ranging from the lofty, such as holding a democratic government accountable, to the trivial, providing diverting details that can lubricate a morning&#039;s converstaion around the watercooler. Yet however wide that spectrum is, a journalist&#039;s work has to have that civic element, otherwise it is no more than flackery, publicity, promotion or propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>digidave &#8211;</p>
<p>I have no problem with the &#8220;gathering, filtering, distribution&#8221; part but &#8220;information&#8221; must be wrong. Journalism is narrower, working on a particular type of &#8220;information,&#8221; not non-fiction generally. Your overbroad definition covers a librarian or a database cruncher or an academic researcher or someone working for the Census Bureau &#8212; none of whom is a journalist.</p>
<p>The type of information a journalist works with must be &#8220;news&#8221; &#8212; developments that are unusual, unprecedented, unpredictable, innovative, remarkable, controversial &#8212; and it should also serve some sort of function in civil society. The latter is a wide spectrum ranging from the lofty, such as holding a democratic government accountable, to the trivial, providing diverting details that can lubricate a morning&#8217;s converstaion around the watercooler. Yet however wide that spectrum is, a journalist&#8217;s work has to have that civic element, otherwise it is no more than flackery, publicity, promotion or propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379263</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

I think &quot;flow&quot; is too passive -- the river that passes by and no one dare jump in and swim. 

&quot;Product&quot; says that is is finished and done: in our case, the world wrapped up in a box with a bow. News is never done. 

&quot;Process&quot; is something many are involved in in many ways. I drew the chart or it here: 
http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/04/14/the-press-becomes-the-press-sphere/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>I think &#8220;flow&#8221; is too passive &#8212; the river that passes by and no one dare jump in and swim. </p>
<p>&#8220;Product&#8221; says that is is finished and done: in our case, the world wrapped up in a box with a bow. News is never done. </p>
<p>&#8220;Process&#8221; is something many are involved in in many ways. I drew the chart or it here:<br />
<a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/04/14/the-press-becomes-the-press-sphere/" rel="nofollow">http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/04/14/the-press-becomes-the-press-sphere/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379259</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jeff.  I have been observing you make this observation about &quot;process, not a product.&quot;  I fear you are not explaining that very well.  It sounds like a dreadful cliche from a lackluster education consultant or a one of them professional facilitators or something.  What does it mean, anyway?  Can&#039;t you use a more elegent term, like &quot;flow?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jeff.  I have been observing you make this observation about &#8220;process, not a product.&#8221;  I fear you are not explaining that very well.  It sounds like a dreadful cliche from a lackluster education consultant or a one of them professional facilitators or something.  What does it mean, anyway?  Can&#8217;t you use a more elegent term, like &#8220;flow?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Digidave</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379208</link>
		<dc:creator>Digidave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s funny: Trying to define &quot;journalism&quot; is much harder.

Best definition I&#039;ve come up with.

The gathering, filtering and distribution of information. 

Most encyclopedic definitions are usually circular &quot;journalism is communication performed by journalists.&quot;

I think the more we start thinking of journalism as a process - the more it becomes easier to see and accept what citizen journalism is. When people are part of that process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s funny: Trying to define &#8220;journalism&#8221; is much harder.</p>
<p>Best definition I&#8217;ve come up with.</p>
<p>The gathering, filtering and distribution of information. </p>
<p>Most encyclopedic definitions are usually circular &#8220;journalism is communication performed by journalists.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the more we start thinking of journalism as a process &#8211; the more it becomes easier to see and accept what citizen journalism is. When people are part of that process.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Newmark</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379204</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Newmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, you&#039;re right! and the link is http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/

thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, you&#8217;re right! and the link is <a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/" rel="nofollow">http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/</a></p>
<p>thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379203</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pithier:

&quot;Now that we all buy ink by the barrel, don&#039;t mess with us Sonny Boy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pithier:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now that we all buy ink by the barrel, don&#8217;t mess with us Sonny Boy.&#8221;</p>
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