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	<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/</link>
	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Periodismo Ciudadano</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379430</link>
		<dc:creator>Periodismo Ciudadano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] su blog, Jay Rosen propone una defición de Periodismo Ciudadano que rápidamente han apoyado Jeff Jarvis y Roy Greenslade: “Cuando las personas antiguamente conocidas como la audiencia utilizan las [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] su blog, Jay Rosen propone una defición de Periodismo Ciudadano que rápidamente han apoyado Jeff Jarvis y Roy Greenslade: “Cuando las personas antiguamente conocidas como la audiencia utilizan las [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ayúdame a dar una definición de &#8220;Periodismo Ciudadano&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379382</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayúdame a dar una definición de &#8220;Periodismo Ciudadano&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] su blog, Jay Rosen propone una defición de Periodismo Ciudadano que rápidamente han apoyado Jeff Jarvis y Roy Greenslade: &#8220;Cuando las personas antiguamente conocidas como la audiencia utilizan las [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kawika Holbrook</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379303</link>
		<dc:creator>Kawika Holbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter still: How about making "news" a verb? "Newsing" sounds no worse than "blogging."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter still: How about making &#8220;news&#8221; a verb? &#8220;Newsing&#8221; sounds no worse than &#8220;blogging.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tyndall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379286</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Tyndall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>digidave --

I have no problem with the "gathering, filtering, distribution" part but "information" must be wrong. Journalism is narrower, working on a particular type of "information," not non-fiction generally. Your overbroad definition covers a librarian or a database cruncher or an academic researcher or someone working for the Census Bureau -- none of whom is a journalist.

The type of information a journalist works with must be "news" -- developments that are unusual, unprecedented, unpredictable, innovative, remarkable, controversial -- and it should also serve some sort of function in civil society. The latter is a wide spectrum ranging from the lofty, such as holding a democratic government accountable, to the trivial, providing diverting details that can lubricate a morning's converstaion around the watercooler. Yet however wide that spectrum is, a journalist's work has to have that civic element, otherwise it is no more than flackery, publicity, promotion or propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>digidave &#8211;</p>
<p>I have no problem with the &#8220;gathering, filtering, distribution&#8221; part but &#8220;information&#8221; must be wrong. Journalism is narrower, working on a particular type of &#8220;information,&#8221; not non-fiction generally. Your overbroad definition covers a librarian or a database cruncher or an academic researcher or someone working for the Census Bureau &#8212; none of whom is a journalist.</p>
<p>The type of information a journalist works with must be &#8220;news&#8221; &#8212; developments that are unusual, unprecedented, unpredictable, innovative, remarkable, controversial &#8212; and it should also serve some sort of function in civil society. The latter is a wide spectrum ranging from the lofty, such as holding a democratic government accountable, to the trivial, providing diverting details that can lubricate a morning&#8217;s converstaion around the watercooler. Yet however wide that spectrum is, a journalist&#8217;s work has to have that civic element, otherwise it is no more than flackery, publicity, promotion or propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379263</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

I think "flow" is too passive -- the river that passes by and no one dare jump in and swim. 

"Product" says that is is finished and done: in our case, the world wrapped up in a box with a bow. News is never done. 

"Process" is something many are involved in in many ways. I drew the chart or it here: 
http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/04/14/the-press-becomes-the-press-sphere/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>I think &#8220;flow&#8221; is too passive &#8212; the river that passes by and no one dare jump in and swim. </p>
<p>&#8220;Product&#8221; says that is is finished and done: in our case, the world wrapped up in a box with a bow. News is never done. </p>
<p>&#8220;Process&#8221; is something many are involved in in many ways. I drew the chart or it here:<br />
<a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/04/14/the-press-becomes-the-press-sphere/" rel="nofollow">http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/04/14/the-press-becomes-the-press-sphere/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379259</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jeff.  I have been observing you make this observation about "process, not a product."  I fear you are not explaining that very well.  It sounds like a dreadful cliche from a lackluster education consultant or a one of them professional facilitators or something.  What does it mean, anyway?  Can't you use a more elegent term, like "flow?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jeff.  I have been observing you make this observation about &#8220;process, not a product.&#8221;  I fear you are not explaining that very well.  It sounds like a dreadful cliche from a lackluster education consultant or a one of them professional facilitators or something.  What does it mean, anyway?  Can&#8217;t you use a more elegent term, like &#8220;flow?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Digidave</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379208</link>
		<dc:creator>Digidave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's funny: Trying to define "journalism" is much harder.

Best definition I've come up with.

The gathering, filtering and distribution of information. 

Most encyclopedic definitions are usually circular "journalism is communication performed by journalists."

I think the more we start thinking of journalism as a process - the more it becomes easier to see and accept what citizen journalism is. When people are part of that process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s funny: Trying to define &#8220;journalism&#8221; is much harder.</p>
<p>Best definition I&#8217;ve come up with.</p>
<p>The gathering, filtering and distribution of information. </p>
<p>Most encyclopedic definitions are usually circular &#8220;journalism is communication performed by journalists.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the more we start thinking of journalism as a process - the more it becomes easier to see and accept what citizen journalism is. When people are part of that process.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Newmark</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379204</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Newmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, you're right! and the link is http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/

thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, you&#8217;re right! and the link is <a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/" rel="nofollow">http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/</a></p>
<p>thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/07/14/brevity-is-the-soul-of/#comment-379203</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pithier:

"Now that we all buy ink by the barrel, don't mess with us Sonny Boy."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pithier:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now that we all buy ink by the barrel, don&#8217;t mess with us Sonny Boy.&#8221;</p>
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