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	<description>by Jeff Jarvis</description>
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		<title>By: Yes, Jeff Jarvis was full of it &#124; John Mecklin, writer/editor</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-456456</link>
		<dc:creator>Yes, Jeff Jarvis was full of it &#124; John Mecklin, writer/editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Way back in 2008, I told City University of New York journalism prof and strident new media guru Jeff Jarvis that he was full of it for contending that a bunch of LA Times reporters were wrong to sue Sam Zell and others for their reckless takeover and management of  the Tribune Company. Back then, Jarvis wrote: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Way back in 2008, I told City University of New York journalism prof and strident new media guru Jeff Jarvis that he was full of it for contending that a bunch of LA Times reporters were wrong to sue Sam Zell and others for their reckless takeover and management of  the Tribune Company. Back then, Jarvis wrote: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My 5 Most Important Takeaways From The Blog World Expo &#124; Marc Baumann</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-424550</link>
		<dc:creator>My 5 Most Important Takeaways From The Blog World Expo &#124; Marc Baumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I share Jeff Jarvis scepticism that the MSM will ever &#8216;get it&#8217; (his recent post titled &#8220;Zell is not your problem &#8211; you are&#8221; is a Must-Read for every journalist!). Only a few corporations in this business are willing to make [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I share Jeff Jarvis scepticism that the MSM will ever &#8216;get it&#8217; (his recent post titled &#8220;Zell is not your problem &#8211; you are&#8221; is a Must-Read for every journalist!). Only a few corporations in this business are willing to make [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My 5 Most Important Takeaways From The Blog World Expo</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-403011</link>
		<dc:creator>My 5 Most Important Takeaways From The Blog World Expo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I share Jeff Jarvis scepticism that the MSM will ever &#8216;get it&#8217; (his recent post titled &#8220;Zell is not your problem &#8211; you are&#8221; is a Must-Read for every journalist!). Only a few corporations in this business are willing to make [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sticking up for the bossman&#8230; &#171; Between a pica and a meta tag</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-395941</link>
		<dc:creator>Sticking up for the bossman&#8230; &#171; Between a pica and a meta tag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] other comments on the Tribune check out Buzz Machine, Newspaper Deathwatch, Recovering Journalist, and Web 2.0h really?. These are all blogs and offer a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Studies show postive links between News Dissemination, Capital markets and the Social Web &#124; Q4 Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-389573</link>
		<dc:creator>Studies show postive links between News Dissemination, Capital markets and the Social Web &#124; Q4 Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have seen since 2006. The Internet has overtaken Newspapers as News Outlet, Newspapers are dying, Journalism is changing, The real-time web age has arrived, Social media’s role in news has come of age  These are just [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have seen since 2006. The Internet has overtaken Newspapers as News Outlet, Newspapers are dying, Journalism is changing, The real-time web age has arrived, Social media’s role in news has come of age  These are just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My 5 Most Important Takeaways From The Blog World Expo &#124; Max The Web</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-386110</link>
		<dc:creator>My 5 Most Important Takeaways From The Blog World Expo &#124; Max The Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I share Jeff Jarvis scepticism that the MSM will ever &#8216;get it&#8217; (his recent post titled &#8220;Zell is not your problem - you are&#8221; is a Must-Read for every journalist!). Only a few corporations in this business are willing to make [...]</description>
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		<title>By: E.B. Boyd</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383336</link>
		<dc:creator>E.B. Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

I wholeheartedly agree with your larger sentiment (irrespective of the details of the lawsuit, as I see there&#039;s some disagreement here about its exact contents). 

As someone who started out in traditional journalism and then moved to Silicon Valley, worked in tech, and learned a thing or two about technological evolution and innovation, it&#039;s sometimes frustrating to listen to folks in the news business blame the larger shifts on the likes of folks like Sam Zell.

While Zell (and others) are certainly playing a role, the fact is that the business is irrevocably morphing, due to a whole spectrum of factors. As a result, everyone in the business has to be part of efforts to find the new ways forward. Anyone whose only response is to pine for the good old days is part of the problem. (It&#039;s OK to mourn, but then you have to move on.)

As I wrote recently, paraphrasing Martin Luther King:
&quot;The problems of today are not the vitriolic words and the evil actions of the bad people, but the appalling silence and *inaction* of the good people.&quot;

http://future-of-news.blogspot.com/2008/08/in-recent-esquire-article-newark-mayor.html

The only way the news business has a chance of surviving is if every single person working in it accepts that the old days are gone, faces the reality of the new environment, and dedicates themselves to exploring new--and effective--ways of executing their mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree with your larger sentiment (irrespective of the details of the lawsuit, as I see there&#8217;s some disagreement here about its exact contents). </p>
<p>As someone who started out in traditional journalism and then moved to Silicon Valley, worked in tech, and learned a thing or two about technological evolution and innovation, it&#8217;s sometimes frustrating to listen to folks in the news business blame the larger shifts on the likes of folks like Sam Zell.</p>
<p>While Zell (and others) are certainly playing a role, the fact is that the business is irrevocably morphing, due to a whole spectrum of factors. As a result, everyone in the business has to be part of efforts to find the new ways forward. Anyone whose only response is to pine for the good old days is part of the problem. (It&#8217;s OK to mourn, but then you have to move on.)</p>
<p>As I wrote recently, paraphrasing Martin Luther King:<br />
&#8220;The problems of today are not the vitriolic words and the evil actions of the bad people, but the appalling silence and *inaction* of the good people.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://future-of-news.blogspot.com/2008/08/in-recent-esquire-article-newark-mayor.html" rel="nofollow">http://future-of-news.blogspot.com/2008/08/in-recent-esquire-article-newark-mayor.html</a></p>
<p>The only way the news business has a chance of surviving is if every single person working in it accepts that the old days are gone, faces the reality of the new environment, and dedicates themselves to exploring new&#8211;and effective&#8211;ways of executing their mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Fake LA Times staffers better than real LA Times staffers &#124; The Journalism Iconoclast</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383247</link>
		<dc:creator>Fake LA Times staffers better than real LA Times staffers &#124; The Journalism Iconoclast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jarvis suggests that LA Times staffers should sue themselves instead of Sam Zell: The Times veterans should not be suing Zell. They should be suing themselves. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: My 5 Most Important Takeaways From The Blog World Expo &#124; Marc Baumann</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383232</link>
		<dc:creator>My 5 Most Important Takeaways From The Blog World Expo &#124; Marc Baumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I share Jeff Jarvis scepticism that the MSM will ever &#8216;get it&#8217; (his recent post titled &#8220;Zell is not your problem - you are&#8221; is a Must-Read for every journalist!). Only a few corporations in this business are willing to make [...]</description>
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		<title>By: callie</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383203</link>
		<dc:creator>callie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the issue Zell&#039;s use of the employees retirement plan?

If so, this would warrant a lawsuit and a possible stay in a federal prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the issue Zell&#8217;s use of the employees retirement plan?</p>
<p>If so, this would warrant a lawsuit and a possible stay in a federal prison.</p>
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		<title>By: the tweney review &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links for September 16th through September 22nd</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383183</link>
		<dc:creator>the tweney review &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links for September 16th through September 22nd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Zell is not your problem. You are. - Newspapers and newspaper companies are about to die. The last remaining puddles of auto, home, job, and retail advertising are about to be sucked down the drain thanks to the economic crisis and credit is about to be crunched into dust. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick Yen</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383176</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Our republic and it’s press will rise or fall together.
The power to mold the future of the republic
will begin in the hands of the journalist
of future generations.”

-Joseph Pulitzer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Our republic and it’s press will rise or fall together.<br />
The power to mold the future of the republic<br />
will begin in the hands of the journalist<br />
of future generations.”</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383156</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esquire&#039;s cynical, and desperate, attempt to avoid the 2009 retraction of magazines is really a sight.

http://www.splicetoday.com/politics-and-media/things-i-must-i-be-okay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esquire&#8217;s cynical, and desperate, attempt to avoid the 2009 retraction of magazines is really a sight.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.splicetoday.com/politics-and-media/things-i-must-i-be-okay" rel="nofollow">http://www.splicetoday.com/politics-and-media/things-i-must-i-be-okay</a></p>
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		<title>By: Teaching Online Journalism &#187; If not you, then who?</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383151</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching Online Journalism &#187; If not you, then who?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Jarvis was on this same note last Wednesday: Newspapers and newspaper companies are about to die. The last remaining puddles of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Twitter for 2008-09-21</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383142</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitter for 2008-09-21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Times veterans should not be suing Zell. They should be suing themselves.&#8221; [Jeff Jarvis, earlier] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thad McIlroy</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383114</link>
		<dc:creator>Thad McIlroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

That is the most refreshing and to-the-point article (OK, blog entry) I&#039;ve read in the midst of these endless months of hand-wringing, tear-jerking and self-serving twaddle. It&#039;s strong stuff, but exactly what needed to be said. Sure, some folks can take some small issue with parts of it. But they should read the entire indictment and respond to that. You&#039;ve finally said what needed to be said. For this I thank you. I&#039;m going to send my readers to it from my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>That is the most refreshing and to-the-point article (OK, blog entry) I&#8217;ve read in the midst of these endless months of hand-wringing, tear-jerking and self-serving twaddle. It&#8217;s strong stuff, but exactly what needed to be said. Sure, some folks can take some small issue with parts of it. But they should read the entire indictment and respond to that. You&#8217;ve finally said what needed to be said. For this I thank you. I&#8217;m going to send my readers to it from my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: 0-shift</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383077</link>
		<dc:creator>0-shift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*** The post above was truncated through a format error on my part. Please delete it. This what I intended:

After reading this post, I thought of Palin&#039;s weird populism in her convention speech. It&#039;s also an infection of half truths. 

She said: 

&gt;&gt;A writer observed: &quot;We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity.&quot; I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.

I grew up with those people.

They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America ... who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.

They love their country, in good times and bad, and they&#039;re always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town.

I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids&#039; public education better.&lt;&lt;

Palin&#039;s speech was so a anti-urban, anti-intellectual and straw man, that it actually hurt to listen to it. 

and your analysis of the LA Times is cut from it. 

To write that the LA Times &quot;had the hubris to think that they should turn the Times into a national - even international - paper&quot; is new populism of this industry. 

Let&#039;s put aside the standard canards about how covering Encino is important and look at what the Times aspired to do. It tried to help its readers understand the important issues of its day by investing in foreign coverage. What a noble, lost thing.  

But you don&#039;t have a path to save newspapers. 

Your idea that newspapers must work cooperatively assumes local bloggers want to work with local newspapers:

You wrote: &quot;Did you immediately hatch new ways to work collaboratively with the vast public of bloggers able and willing to join in local journalism? Not that I saw.&quot;

What makes you think that local bloggers want to cooperate with with their local newspapers? Based on what? 

Local bloggers, the really good ones, have that same independent streak that once made great newspaper publishers. They treasure it. They don&#039;t want to risk it. They don&#039;t need cooperation. If they want advertising, local independent networks will arise soon enough. Some go direct for revenue and don&#039;t need the revenue share. Local advertisers find them. 

And in some cases local bloggers can do a better job of keeping people informed about Encino than a newspaper can so let&#039;s end this pretense as well. The  cooperative relationship you believe will naturally happen won&#039;t necessarily improve this. 

This post by you is as deep and flawed as Palin&#039;s view of people who live in urban areas; she&#039;s not aspiring for wisdom and neither are you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*** The post above was truncated through a format error on my part. Please delete it. This what I intended:</p>
<p>After reading this post, I thought of Palin&#8217;s weird populism in her convention speech. It&#8217;s also an infection of half truths. </p>
<p>She said: </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;A writer observed: &#8220;We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity.&#8221; I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.</p>
<p>I grew up with those people.</p>
<p>They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America &#8230; who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.</p>
<p>They love their country, in good times and bad, and they&#8217;re always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town.</p>
<p>I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids&#8217; public education better.&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Palin&#8217;s speech was so a anti-urban, anti-intellectual and straw man, that it actually hurt to listen to it. </p>
<p>and your analysis of the LA Times is cut from it. </p>
<p>To write that the LA Times &#8220;had the hubris to think that they should turn the Times into a national &#8211; even international &#8211; paper&#8221; is new populism of this industry. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put aside the standard canards about how covering Encino is important and look at what the Times aspired to do. It tried to help its readers understand the important issues of its day by investing in foreign coverage. What a noble, lost thing.  </p>
<p>But you don&#8217;t have a path to save newspapers. </p>
<p>Your idea that newspapers must work cooperatively assumes local bloggers want to work with local newspapers:</p>
<p>You wrote: &#8220;Did you immediately hatch new ways to work collaboratively with the vast public of bloggers able and willing to join in local journalism? Not that I saw.&#8221;</p>
<p>What makes you think that local bloggers want to cooperate with with their local newspapers? Based on what? </p>
<p>Local bloggers, the really good ones, have that same independent streak that once made great newspaper publishers. They treasure it. They don&#8217;t want to risk it. They don&#8217;t need cooperation. If they want advertising, local independent networks will arise soon enough. Some go direct for revenue and don&#8217;t need the revenue share. Local advertisers find them. </p>
<p>And in some cases local bloggers can do a better job of keeping people informed about Encino than a newspaper can so let&#8217;s end this pretense as well. The  cooperative relationship you believe will naturally happen won&#8217;t necessarily improve this. </p>
<p>This post by you is as deep and flawed as Palin&#8217;s view of people who live in urban areas; she&#8217;s not aspiring for wisdom and neither are you.</p>
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		<title>By: 0-shift</title>
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		<dc:creator>0-shift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading this post, I thought of Palin&#039;s weird populism in her convention speech. It&#039;s also an infection of half truths. 

She said: 

&gt;A writer observed: &quot;We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity.&quot; I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.

I grew up with those people.

They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America ... who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.

They love their country, in good times and bad, and they&#039;re always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town.

I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids&#039; public education better.&lt;Did you immediately hatch new ways to work collaboratively with the vast public of bloggers able and willing to join in local journalism? Not that I saw.&lt;

What makes you think that local bloggers want to cooperate with with their local newspapers? Based on what? 

Local bloggers, the really good ones, have that same independent streak that once made great newspaper publishers. They treasure it. They don&#039;t want to risk it. They don&#039;t need cooperation. If they want advertising, local independent networks will arise soon enough. Some go direct for revenue and don&#039;t need the revenue share. Local advertisers find them. 

And in some cases local bloggers can do a better job of keeping people informed about Encino than a newspaper can so let&#039;s end this pretense as well. The  cooperative relationship you believe will naturally happen won&#039;t necessarily improve this. 

This post by you is as deep and flawed as Palin&#039;s view of people who live in urban areas; she&#039;s not aspiring for wisdom and neither are you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this post, I thought of Palin&#8217;s weird populism in her convention speech. It&#8217;s also an infection of half truths. </p>
<p>She said: </p>
<p>&gt;A writer observed: &#8220;We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity.&#8221; I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.</p>
<p>I grew up with those people.</p>
<p>They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America &#8230; who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.</p>
<p>They love their country, in good times and bad, and they&#8217;re always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town.</p>
<p>I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids&#8217; public education better.&lt;Did you immediately hatch new ways to work collaboratively with the vast public of bloggers able and willing to join in local journalism? Not that I saw.&lt;</p>
<p>What makes you think that local bloggers want to cooperate with with their local newspapers? Based on what? </p>
<p>Local bloggers, the really good ones, have that same independent streak that once made great newspaper publishers. They treasure it. They don&#8217;t want to risk it. They don&#8217;t need cooperation. If they want advertising, local independent networks will arise soon enough. Some go direct for revenue and don&#8217;t need the revenue share. Local advertisers find them. </p>
<p>And in some cases local bloggers can do a better job of keeping people informed about Encino than a newspaper can so let&#8217;s end this pretense as well. The  cooperative relationship you believe will naturally happen won&#8217;t necessarily improve this. </p>
<p>This post by you is as deep and flawed as Palin&#8217;s view of people who live in urban areas; she&#8217;s not aspiring for wisdom and neither are you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ulysses</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383055</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulysses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When more than one editorial regime had the hubris to think that they should turn the Times into a national - even international - paper, opening bureaus all over the globe and insisting on writing every commodity news stories under their own bylines while letting local coverage suffer, did you protest, litigators? No, those bylines and bureaus were yours.&quot;
   Actually, no, those bylines and bureaus weren&#039;t theirs.
   A little [internet] research would have told you that two of the five plaintiffs on that lawsuit spent their careers doing exemplary local journalism, one was an LA-based food writer, one is an LA-based automobile critic, and one was the paper&#039;s Washington bureau chief.
   I don&#039;t know whether you think food writers and auto critics are guilty of commodity journalism.  But the charge that &quot;those bylines and bureaus were yours&quot; is at most 20% true.  Yeah, the biggest paper in California had the effrontery to send reporters to Washington.  What hubris!  Let&#039;s hope that doesn&#039;t happen again.  But 20% isn&#039;t an adequate level of truthiness in any medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When more than one editorial regime had the hubris to think that they should turn the Times into a national &#8211; even international &#8211; paper, opening bureaus all over the globe and insisting on writing every commodity news stories under their own bylines while letting local coverage suffer, did you protest, litigators? No, those bylines and bureaus were yours.&#8221;<br />
   Actually, no, those bylines and bureaus weren&#8217;t theirs.<br />
   A little [internet] research would have told you that two of the five plaintiffs on that lawsuit spent their careers doing exemplary local journalism, one was an LA-based food writer, one is an LA-based automobile critic, and one was the paper&#8217;s Washington bureau chief.<br />
   I don&#8217;t know whether you think food writers and auto critics are guilty of commodity journalism.  But the charge that &#8220;those bylines and bureaus were yours&#8221; is at most 20% true.  Yeah, the biggest paper in California had the effrontery to send reporters to Washington.  What hubris!  Let&#8217;s hope that doesn&#8217;t happen again.  But 20% isn&#8217;t an adequate level of truthiness in any medium.</p>
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		<title>By: 0-shift</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383051</link>
		<dc:creator>0-shift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;When the internet came, did you all - every one of you as responsible, smart journalists, on your own - leap to get training in audio and video? Did you immediately hatch new ways to work collaboratively with the vast public of bloggers able and willing to join in local journalism? Not that I saw.&lt;

Yeah, some of us have figured out the Internet, video and actually doing it. Big whoop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;When the internet came, did you all &#8211; every one of you as responsible, smart journalists, on your own &#8211; leap to get training in audio and video? Did you immediately hatch new ways to work collaboratively with the vast public of bloggers able and willing to join in local journalism? Not that I saw.&lt;</p>
<p>Yeah, some of us have figured out the Internet, video and actually doing it. Big whoop.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The San Francisco Chronicle, as one example, or the Miami Herald, or the Houston Chronicle has been a junky newspaper since Day One. Therefore, should its executives and staffers, reporters included, be given wider latitude than the people who&#039;ve run better quality publications? In other words, the folks running crappy papers have never shown great ambition in the first place, have never tried reaching the top well before the age of the Internet. 

At the very least, when such papers get caught up in the turmoil now facing the MSM, particularly the print part of it, they won&#039;t have as far to fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The San Francisco Chronicle, as one example, or the Miami Herald, or the Houston Chronicle has been a junky newspaper since Day One. Therefore, should its executives and staffers, reporters included, be given wider latitude than the people who&#8217;ve run better quality publications? In other words, the folks running crappy papers have never shown great ambition in the first place, have never tried reaching the top well before the age of the Internet. </p>
<p>At the very least, when such papers get caught up in the turmoil now facing the MSM, particularly the print part of it, they won&#8217;t have as far to fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383047</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mecklin,
I just said I read the suit. Quality lawyers? Isn&#039;t that an oxymoron?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mecklin,<br />
I just said I read the suit. Quality lawyers? Isn&#8217;t that an oxymoron?</p>
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		<title>By: jim cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383046</link>
		<dc:creator>jim cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bold prediction, that riff about newspapers being about to die. You might want to re-read your McLuhan, especially the part about new media not replacing old, just canniblazing their content. A clip-and-save column, for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bold prediction, that riff about newspapers being about to die. You might want to re-read your McLuhan, especially the part about new media not replacing old, just canniblazing their content. A clip-and-save column, for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen K. Mack</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383043</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen K. Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
You have every right to have your say in the matter.This is your web site, and the beauty of the internet is the diversification of opinion, that newspapers have had a monopoly on for too many years, has been broken. That is not in dispute: nor is the blindness of the the old thinking that seems to dominate newspapers,or the people who run them, or report for them. What is in dispute is your whole critique that begins with an approach to the the subject that reeks of  a &quot;political no-nothing&quot; approach to an &quot;elitist press&quot;. You sound like a caricature of a right wing talk show host. Question: Did Sam Zell use the ESOP funds in his deal? Jeff, you really need to read and take to heart what John Mecklin has written. We all need our friends to keep us on the right path.He is your friend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
You have every right to have your say in the matter.This is your web site, and the beauty of the internet is the diversification of opinion, that newspapers have had a monopoly on for too many years, has been broken. That is not in dispute: nor is the blindness of the the old thinking that seems to dominate newspapers,or the people who run them, or report for them. What is in dispute is your whole critique that begins with an approach to the the subject that reeks of  a &#8220;political no-nothing&#8221; approach to an &#8220;elitist press&#8221;. You sound like a caricature of a right wing talk show host. Question: Did Sam Zell use the ESOP funds in his deal? Jeff, you really need to read and take to heart what John Mecklin has written. We all need our friends to keep us on the right path.He is your friend!</p>
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		<title>By: robertdfeinman</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/09/17/zell-is-not-your-problem-you-are/#comment-383027</link>
		<dc:creator>robertdfeinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doonesbury is running a series where the long time WaPo reporter Rick gets laid off in a cut back of investigative reporters.

It will be interesting to see Trudeau&#039;s take on the topic. Sometimes the best social criticism comes from the most unlikely places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doonesbury is running a series where the long time WaPo reporter Rick gets laid off in a cut back of investigative reporters.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see Trudeau&#8217;s take on the topic. Sometimes the best social criticism comes from the most unlikely places.</p>
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